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	<title>Comments on: A World Class Resort That Likes To Travel</title>
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		<title>By: Ricky</title>
		<link>http://www.cruisemates.com/blog/200911041157/world-class-resort-likes-travel/comment-page-1/#comment-1607</link>
		<dc:creator>Ricky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 10:40:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Look, i have never go there and neither use their services but heard from my visited friends that it is really awesome!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Look, i have never go there and neither use their services but heard from my visited friends that it is really awesome!</p>
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		<title>By: ron</title>
		<link>http://www.cruisemates.com/blog/200911041157/world-class-resort-likes-travel/comment-page-1/#comment-1586</link>
		<dc:creator>ron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 00:21:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Exactly.  I agree with everything you mention. I do feel that the mainstream lines, whether intending to or not, are abandoning, this demographic.  I disagree with Paul that there are 100,000 berths on any given week available to this demographic and I do agree with Kuki that all of the mainstream lines -- to one degree or another-- are attempting to attract the family crowd, at least on the 7-9 day or shorter cruises.  The cruise lines would probably argue that what&#039;s left  -- the longer cruises on the premium lines, or European cruises, or off-season cruises are geared to the older traditional crowd, and I would tend to agree with that somewhat.  But what happens if you don&#039;t want (or can&#039;t afford) a 17 day Baltic cruise?   I also agree with your Celebrity ad comments  -- there is (or can be) a mystique and romance to cruising which is all it&#039;s own.  Maybe problems with keeping those 100,000 berths filled each week dictates the &quot;all things to all people&quot; approach, I don&#039;t know.  When times are tough it&#039;s hard to lay off some ships.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Exactly.  I agree with everything you mention. I do feel that the mainstream lines, whether intending to or not, are abandoning, this demographic.  I disagree with Paul that there are 100,000 berths on any given week available to this demographic and I do agree with Kuki that all of the mainstream lines &#8212; to one degree or another&#8211; are attempting to attract the family crowd, at least on the 7-9 day or shorter cruises.  The cruise lines would probably argue that what&#8217;s left  &#8212; the longer cruises on the premium lines, or European cruises, or off-season cruises are geared to the older traditional crowd, and I would tend to agree with that somewhat.  But what happens if you don&#8217;t want (or can&#8217;t afford) a 17 day Baltic cruise?   I also agree with your Celebrity ad comments  &#8212; there is (or can be) a mystique and romance to cruising which is all it&#8217;s own.  Maybe problems with keeping those 100,000 berths filled each week dictates the &#8220;all things to all people&#8221; approach, I don&#8217;t know.  When times are tough it&#8217;s hard to lay off some ships.</p>
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		<title>By: jaxon</title>
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		<dc:creator>jaxon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 22:10:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem I see is that they are setting up expectations which will not be met.  If the competition are the all-inclusives, then you can&#039;t charge for a variety of dining experiences when the all-inclusives do not. You can&#039;t charge for the booze, when the all-inclusives do not. Ditto ocean toys, snorkeling excursions, etc.  which are sometimes included in an all-inclusive. 
While I don&#039;t think it is a bad slogan, I would agree that perhaps the focus should be on the romance of cruising, and the elegance (much of which is fading with the push towards family friendly). I think the best commercials for cruising I ever saw were the Celebrity ads where the lady descends the stairs like she just won the Oscar, and the guy in the casino was playing Bogart. Those brought the romance in, but the appeal was to we older folks, and I don&#039;t think they care about that demographic much any more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem I see is that they are setting up expectations which will not be met.  If the competition are the all-inclusives, then you can&#8217;t charge for a variety of dining experiences when the all-inclusives do not. You can&#8217;t charge for the booze, when the all-inclusives do not. Ditto ocean toys, snorkeling excursions, etc.  which are sometimes included in an all-inclusive.<br />
While I don&#8217;t think it is a bad slogan, I would agree that perhaps the focus should be on the romance of cruising, and the elegance (much of which is fading with the push towards family friendly). I think the best commercials for cruising I ever saw were the Celebrity ads where the lady descends the stairs like she just won the Oscar, and the guy in the casino was playing Bogart. Those brought the romance in, but the appeal was to we older folks, and I don&#8217;t think they care about that demographic much any more.</p>
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		<title>By: monkeythyme</title>
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		<dc:creator>monkeythyme</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 23:01:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I did not intend to imply that I consider Oasis superior as a cruise ship, but as a floating resort, I would not try to take it on with a &quot;resort&quot; 3/4 its size.  I do find Epic&#039;s studio staterooms with their shared areas more interesting than the inward-facing balconies of Oasis, probably because I have already tried the promenade cabin on Navigator.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I did not intend to imply that I consider Oasis superior as a cruise ship, but as a floating resort, I would not try to take it on with a &#8220;resort&#8221; 3/4 its size.  I do find Epic&#8217;s studio staterooms with their shared areas more interesting than the inward-facing balconies of Oasis, probably because I have already tried the promenade cabin on Navigator.</p>
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		<title>By: ron</title>
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		<dc:creator>ron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 16:06:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You pretty much nailed it Kuki.  What&#039;s wrong with being just a cruise ship?  There&#039;s something to be said of doing one thing and doing it well, but, unfortunately that&#039;s the trend--be all things to all people.  My car insurance company is no longer an insurance company, but a &quot;financial services&quot; company.  You can guess how much emphasis they are putting on car insurance.  

With their emphasis on families and first time cruisers they are driving away the repeat, adult cruisers who are not motivated by discount fares and loyalty programs, but by a specific product which emphasises great food and quality service above all else.  Arison&#039;s genious in the early years was that he knew how to combine elements of a land resorts with ocean voyages into a seamless, near all inclusive package which appealed to adults (mostly) who wanted a worry-free vaction in style and affordability. That business model has been hollowed out to such an extent that it no longer really exists, at least from what I can gather from posts on this forum as well as others. This demographic is drifting to the high end lines (if they can afford it) or to all inclusives.  You would think that they would retain the traditional, adult business models in their premium brands, such as Celebrity and Holland America, but they too have gone the way of the mass lines, only with a little more gloss.  Personally, I feel the cruise lines need to think long and hard about the effects of cheapening their product and of alienating this demographic, because it&#039;s going to be very hard to get them back once they&#039;re turned off.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You pretty much nailed it Kuki.  What&#8217;s wrong with being just a cruise ship?  There&#8217;s something to be said of doing one thing and doing it well, but, unfortunately that&#8217;s the trend&#8211;be all things to all people.  My car insurance company is no longer an insurance company, but a &#8220;financial services&#8221; company.  You can guess how much emphasis they are putting on car insurance.  </p>
<p>With their emphasis on families and first time cruisers they are driving away the repeat, adult cruisers who are not motivated by discount fares and loyalty programs, but by a specific product which emphasises great food and quality service above all else.  Arison&#8217;s genious in the early years was that he knew how to combine elements of a land resorts with ocean voyages into a seamless, near all inclusive package which appealed to adults (mostly) who wanted a worry-free vaction in style and affordability. That business model has been hollowed out to such an extent that it no longer really exists, at least from what I can gather from posts on this forum as well as others. This demographic is drifting to the high end lines (if they can afford it) or to all inclusives.  You would think that they would retain the traditional, adult business models in their premium brands, such as Celebrity and Holland America, but they too have gone the way of the mass lines, only with a little more gloss.  Personally, I feel the cruise lines need to think long and hard about the effects of cheapening their product and of alienating this demographic, because it&#8217;s going to be very hard to get them back once they&#8217;re turned off.</p>
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		<title>By: kuki</title>
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		<dc:creator>kuki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 22:19:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I&#039;m personally more interested in the Epic, than Oasis.

However, all the mass market lines lately are &quot;guilty&quot; of pretending to be &quot;resorts&quot;. Not quite sure why they&#039;re not happy being cruise ships.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I&#8217;m personally more interested in the Epic, than Oasis.</p>
<p>However, all the mass market lines lately are &#8220;guilty&#8221; of pretending to be &#8220;resorts&#8221;. Not quite sure why they&#8217;re not happy being cruise ships.</p>
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		<title>By: monkeythyme</title>
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		<dc:creator>monkeythyme</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 21:02:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They may as well just say, &quot;It&#039;s not the Oasis, but it&#039;s a darn good mirage!&quot;  
I wouldn&#039;t want to publicly link myself to a race in which I am running a distant second.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They may as well just say, &#8220;It&#8217;s not the Oasis, but it&#8217;s a darn good mirage!&#8221;<br />
I wouldn&#8217;t want to publicly link myself to a race in which I am running a distant second.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 11:40:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kuki I agree.  Well said.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kuki I agree.  Well said.</p>
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