Do you have any idea how many people "stiff" the hard working waiters and room attendants? We have been cruising since the early 50.s prior to Carnival and have seen this too many times and it is no wonder why the cruise lines have gone to automatic attempting to recapture some of this problem. In many instances it is the major complainer who wants to remove.We have gone along with the changes and reward those who have provided us with extra service with the envelope as was done in the past. I can remember in the old days certain individuals would not come to dinner on the last night to avoid any type of tipping. Maybe the answer is to increase the fare and be done with it.