I quit smoking on theCarnival Paradise(First and Only Non smoking ship in the fleet) 6 years ago and it was the best cruise ! The Cruise lines make allot of money by selling drinks and in the Casino where allot of this revenue is generated by people smoking . Money talks ! This sucks !
I think the problem may be that just one non-smoking ship has limited itinerary options. If the same non-smoking ship does they same itins each year, people aren't going to want to repeat. The non-smoking ship would need to have a wide variety of itns - not really feasible. They need to have more than one non-smoking ship to satisfy many potential passengers.
Jodi (Are all my pro non-smoking posts a contradiction to my being a smoker?)
Oceania, while not non-smoking is VERY limited in its smoking areas. One area of the open deck and a small area of one lounge. You cannot smoke in the cabins or balconies. If they can succeed it may be an indication that the next step may survive.
While I am a smoker I think that Jodi is on to something. One non-smoking ship greatly limits the options for cruisers of a cruise line. I feel that if a cruise line would be willing to try and commit two or three ships they could make non-smoking a success.
Mike (Who would not book a non-smoking ship but would really want a lot of ports)
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A great idea, but will it fly? We sailed twice on the Carnival Paradise back in 1999 and 2001. I believe we did Eastern & Western itineraries. And we would have cruised on her several more times if CCL hadn't decided to move her to the left coast and bring back smoking to the ship. We wouldn't have cared what itineraries the Paradise visited, just as long as we could sit in a casino or a bar without the annoyance of smoke.
We heard that Carnival was losing money on the smokeless concept, but that didn't make us feel any better about the whole matter. We're not at all "anti-smoking". Smokers have rights just like everybody else. But on the Paradise, smokers had no rights at all (and that included the crewmembers). It wasn't unfair to smokers, because it was known when you boarded the ship that smoking would not be tolerated...not even the possession of smoking materials.
I too wish that one of the lines would take a chance and do what Carnival did 6 years ago. But frankly, I don't see it happening again. I'm not sure why it's not likely, but IMO it just isn't. Whatever Carnival's reason for discontinuing the practice (and it had to be connected to the almighty buck), I doubt that anyone else will take the risk just to satisfy us non-smokers (and ex-smokers).
The compromise of having some lounges smoke-free and designating a smoke-free night in the casino make a lot of sense. My husband won't go near the casino because of all the smoke. He can't be the only one...
I would definitely take a cruise on a smoke free ship. On our Carnival cruise we liked one of the musicians that was on board but she only sang in a lounge with a lot of smoke so we couldn't stand sitting there for long.
Why couldn't they (cruiseline) have certain weeks that several ships are smoke free??? Some ships switch ports every other week, they could do this with smoking. Right? This way they could run the numbers to see the revenue for each sailing. We don't smoke but we do gamble and drink and we would gamble more if we could breath while doing it.
Okiemom - good idea. I don't know what it would involve to do that, but that way they could offer a variety of itins, ships, and dates. However, many non-smokers still smell the smoke in a cabin if the prior guests smoked - I am not sure what it would take to guarantee to get rid of that smell for the next non-smoking cruise. I also liked the idea of non-smoking decks, however, some cabins (suites mainly) are located only on a specific deck - so if it is a smoking deck or vice versa and someone want it, will it make a difference on whether or not they book?
I agree that it would be a good idea to have some smokeless ships. There are enough non smokers out there to give them business who prefer smokeless ships. And the no smoking should apply to the outdoor areas as well. When someone wants to rest by the pool or overlooking clean ocean air it shouldnt be ruined by tobacco smoke.
My husband and I always gave Carnival's Paradise first consideration over any any cruise ship or cruiselines because of it's 100% non smoking status. Now that's it's gone the way of every other stinky ship, there is no need to stay loyal to Carnival. What a pity! We're taking our first cruise on Royal Caribbean later today....(actually get to drive to the port rather than fly!)
We would LOVE to see another 100% non smoking ship again....
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All of the people above who are praising the non-smoking ship idea need to realize that....THEY TRIED IT. IT FAILED. IT ISN'T GOING TO CHANGE. SMOKERS ARE JUST AS ENTITLED TO EXERCISE THEIR RIGHT TO SMOKE AND YOU ARE TO CHOSE NOT TOO.
Plus, all the concessions that needed to be made to accomadate ALL passengers have been made. Be thankful and move on. Worry and gripe about something really important.
I was on the Explorer of the Seas two weeks ago. I smoked in designated areas. I am also happy to report that not once did I hear anyone bellyache about some passengers smoking. As adults we should know that all people have rights and we need to respect eachother.
You are right, everyone has their rights. BUT, your right to smoke should not infringe on my right to be away from smoking. Smoking is already banned in many public areas such as resteraunts and other public venues so why not cruise ships. Just on the news last night, one franchise owner of KFC and Pizza Hut will ban smoking from all of their establishments.
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I believe the cruise lines should keep things as they are. There are many more non-smoking areas on the ships than there are smoking areas. They do a very good job of cleaning the cabins to get rid of any odors from any cause. I've never smelled anything on entering a cabin except the deodorizer. Allowing smoking in a few bars and on one side of the open deck seems reasonable to me.
I do agree that they could have better ventilation in the casinos.
You can't compare restaurants with cruise ships. You're only in a restaurant for an hour or two and if you want to smoke you can just walk outside.
Think about something you do every day (eating chocolate, drinking coffee, having a drink before dinner, wearing perfume/cologne, using hairspray). Now, would you be happy to go 7 days without what's important to you? Some of these things aggravate my sinus condition, but I just move away from them.
As long as smoking is legal, people will smoke.
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Fern! You make an EXCELLENT point. Ventilation is the key. It can be done too. I am a frequent visitor to Caesars Palace in Las Vegas and I can tell you, they invested in such a ventilation system. Lets face it, theres a lot of smoking going on in Las Vegas and when you walk into Caesars, there is actually a pleasant scent in the air which you'd never expect considering all the tobacco thats burning in there. Again, very good point.