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View Poll Results: Royal Caribbean's "Genesis" class of cruise ship(2009) will be 1/3 larger than the largest
No - the bigger the better 16 17.20%
Yes - this isn't cruising anymore, it's a floating theme park 77 82.80%
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Old March 1st, 2006, 11:58 AM
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What scares me is what happens god forbid if there is a fire or worse. How do you handle 5000 people??? These large atriums would act as a chimny. Hollywood would love it but what a mess.
I miss the old ships with the crew of their flag. Dutch ships, Italian ships ect. But that was back in the days before attencion defficet disorder.
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I'm reaching the point where I think that the newest cruise ships--like the Queen Mary II--are just too blamed big.

My less-than-flattering nickname for Royal Caribbean's first Genesis hull is "Great Eastern of the Seas" after Isambard K. Brunel's wildly unsuccessful steam ship of the same name.
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Absolutely too big. Too much of a drain on the local economy of visted ports. 1800 is as big as I like them.
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No question - the mega ships are not what cruising is about
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My personal take on the mega-ship is that they are like the "Field of Dreams". If you build it they will come. Once Royal Caribbean has an idea of if the ship is selling out then it will put an order in for another and if they do then the other lines will follow.

There is an economy of scale involved and in the long run it is financially beneficial to the cruiseline. It is also attractive to a new breed of cruisers. They want more out of cruising than many of us "old timers" do. I personally do not like mega-ships. My ideal ship is 70,000 tons and I will take smaller than that over larger.

The final decision will be made by the cruisers and their wallets. If the ships sell out you can expect to see more of the mega ships and in 10 years the 100,000 ton ship will be the small ship in the fleet.

As Bob Dylan said: "The times they are a changin." Or will Royal Caribbean end up with a 240,000 ton, floating, white elephant?

We'll know in three or four years.

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Old March 3rd, 2006, 04:41 PM
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methinks the question is....

What surprises do have in store for us to justify having a ship so big. It seems like all the things we used to kid about putting on ships have actually come true: bowling alleys for example. We used to kid about goofy golf and other past-times where gravity is a factor, but they actually did it. We have kidded about pool tables, but why not?

What BIG things will they put on there: full water parks (snorkle on the ship, don't bother going ashore). Roller coasters (I have been kidding about this for years, but I think it's coming sooner rather than later). How about Merry-go-rounds and other amusement park rides? How about luge? did you ever think you would see a skating rink?
Well I had to try out a voyager class ship and I was disapointed-the sea days- and we had 3 of those-it was much too crowded. Yes there wee things like inline skating, minature golf, rock climbing walls-but it seemed all 3600 PAX on my cruise were by the 3 much too small pools.

I thought the skating rink idea was something grand-and yes I would not believed this before it was done-although I enjoyed the ice show-it is not as grand as you would think-pretty small-if you have ever been to an ice show in a place like Phillip's Arena in Atlanta, GA-well lets just say it was nothing like that-the ice rink was I am guess maybe 1/4 the size of Phillip's Arena (maybe even smaller that was just a guess)-now the performers were great-but it just could in no way-no shape- no form- did it match the feel of the ice shows I have seen at Phillip's Arena-no matter how good the performers were-and they were very good.

Last month we took another cruise on a much smaller ship-we went from the Mariner in Oct.-3600 PAX to the Celebrity Zenith-1300 PAX. I liked the Zenith cruise much better and we paid for this 5 day cruise HALF the price of the 7 day Mariner cruise. with that kind of saving I can go to several ice shows at the Phillip's arena.

so I will keep to the smaller ships and take the savings in the cost of the cruise and go to a few ice shows when I get back home.

I guess that is what it boils down to-these mega ships are turning in to floating resorts. I just want a good old fashioned cruise. If I can have that with great food (the Zenith served real baked alaska) and a spot on the deck by the pool with out feeling like I am swamped by people everywhere- I am happy.

I leave the mega ships to those who have attention deficent disorder and must be entertained every moment of the day and night.
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DH and I debated about our family vacation this year. We decided that we wanted to "relax" with the kids so we booked a cruise. Yes, our ship is the biggest that we have been on so far (Carnival Legend) but it will still be more relaxing than Disney or Universal. We did that about 4 years ago and we were more tired when we came back than when we went. We needed another vacation to recover!
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If the passenger to space ratio is the same or larger than todays Ships, then bigger ships are better. When they add an extra deck of cabins like on the Carribean and Crown Princess, then that is not such a good plan for the passengers. The space ratio is the key on the ship and then docking rather than tendering makes a difference in port.
Tendering 5000 passengers will be a challenge. But with the variety of ship sizes, people can choose the size they like. I have not cruised on the 120,000 ton size ships. But put me in the bigger is better catagory.
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There can be more tender docks on the larger ships, but as Time mag points out in its article this week about the RCCL mega ship Freedom of The Seas, a lot of the world's ports just can't handle that many passengers. Indeed, 2,000 overwhelms many of them, much less four thousand. And if you get two mega ships at once -- forget it.
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What scares me is what happens god forbid if there is a fire or worse. How do you handle 5000 people??? These large atriums would act as a chimny. Hollywood would love it but what a mess.
I miss the old ships with the crew of their flag. Dutch ships, Italian ships ect. But that was back in the days before attencion defficet disorder.
I know you posted this some months ago but you sound like you saw that movie Posidon.
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Interesting that people are now talking total number of passengers and how it affects ports. If you look at passenger/space ratio, then a 110K-ton Carnival ship that holds 3000 passengers is more crowded than a 220K-ton ship that holds 5400 passengers.

However, in this case it appears people have a concern for the sheer number of passengers on a ship, and how that affects things like food delivery and disembarkation - all valid points.

I am just curious to see how the theater and dining rooms look on these new megaships - maybe we have reached the pinnacle <g> on size, so instead of mega-ships we have to call them maxi-ships, or ultraships.
I agree with what you wrote. I was on line to board the Carnival Liberty for two hours! And it took so long to get a ticket and board the tenders at the Cayman Islands that we simply never even bothered to leave. I could not even imagine what this would look like on a ship twice this size. I disagree with Royal Caribbean building a 220,000GRT ship. Besides the long lines, people would have to be in some form of being physically fit to walk around the ship. Especially if they have to take the stairs if the elevators would be crowded or running slow. Not only that but how would the crew be able to handle 5000+ passenget in the event of a sudden emergency? And how would the ports handle a ship of this size?
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But when we get to the point where ships are carrying 5,000 passengers, I start to think: How many is too many? Just the thought of embarking and disembarking in a port with crowds that large turns the cruise experience into an event as mundane as going to a mall -- not to mention the "line time," especially when tenders are involved. There was a time when passengers opted to take a ship for the joy of being at sea, but today cruise lines tout a list of innovations to take your mind off the sea -- like a bowling alley, boxing ring and roller-blading track. It helps to take binoculars if you actually want to view the ocean. Besides, why take a ship to engage in activities easily found in your own city or town?

The cruise lines that are designing and operating these large ships need to address three very significant issues for these ships to work.

>> 1. Crowd Control. The design of the ship must provide sufficient capacity in critical areas so passageways don't get blocked when so many passengers congregate in a particular area. The best approach is to spread out activitiy areas so passengers with different interests will go to different parts of the ship. Embarkation and disembarkation on turnaround day and queues for tenders in tender ports, both going ashore and returning to the ship, also require careful planning to ensure that they flow smoothly.

>> 2. Overwhelming Public Spaces. Dining rooms, show rooms, and other public spaces configured to accommodate too many people can become overwhelming. Here, Princess Cruises seems to have found a good solution in providing two or three main dining rooms and two or three show rooms of smaller size.

>> 3. Ports and Itineraries. If ships get too big, their sheer numbers of passengers will overwhelm many of the current ports of call and terminal facilities used for embarkation and debarkation in many turnaround ports. The availability of teminal facilities and ports of call will restrict the possible itineraries that these ships can offer.

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Yes...ships are getting way to big. The ship is becoming the vacation spot..the experience....rather than the actual cruise. Most of these ships will not be able to even get into Ports and the passengers will have to be tendered. Passengers HATE that as it is...imagine tendering thousands!!

Anyway...we found that we now prefer a slightly smaller ship...not as small as RCCI MOS, more in line with HAL's Oosterdam...
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The only cruiseship we have been on is the Conquest.Had a good time,but too many people for my taste.Will sail on the Triumph Oct.7,2006.Don't really know how we will like the Triumph.My wife sailed on the Sensation and said she enjoyed it.I guess what it boils down too,is supply and demand.New cruisers will enjoy the larger ships,those that cruise regularly may have a different viewpoint.
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