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chibertb March 8th, 2006 03:09 PM

Bring back a non-smoking ship!!!
 
I sure did enjoy the Paradise when it was non-smoking. I have to assume it was purely a profit driven decision to stop, but it sure was nice.

Bring it back!!

MaryLou March 8th, 2006 07:23 PM

I was quite surprised that this concept didn't catch on. I guess it was too limiting.

Lombard March 9th, 2006 01:18 AM

When the "Paradise" was a non smoking ship, what was its intinary?
Did it move around the different cruising zones?

Kuki March 9th, 2006 03:00 AM

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When the "Paradise" was a non smoking ship, what was its intinary?
Did it move around the different cruising zones?
They did try and move it around to different itineraries.

You can be sure if the Paradise has done even reasonably well all the other cruise lines would have had non smoking ships.

The main problem was onboard revenue was much lower than on other ships. Seems those who don't smoke are also less likely to gamble and drink.

It also didn't attract alot of the large group business because of the restrictions.

I do have to say though that many ships now do have more totally smoke free lounges, which makes WAY more sense than smoking and non sections.

So... other than in the casinos, if you check smoking restrictions you shouldnt have too much trouble with smoke.

On our Westerdam cruise last year they even had one night where they made the casino smoke free until 10 PM.... but alas it wasn't busy.

Lombard March 9th, 2006 04:26 AM

Being a smoker myself I hate any smoke free policy, but that is just the nicotine talking.

As a member of todays society I see that smoke free is where we are heading too in the future but it will be a slow and very long process.
This will be a huge change.

The SmokeFree Cruises will be back but the cruiselines will just have to deal with it as it arrives?

Jacqueline March 9th, 2006 04:39 AM

On the last three carnival ships there was a more strict non-smoking policy on the ship and I liked it. The only mistake I made was to get lost on the Victory, thought to make a short cut to the restaurant when I ended up in the cigar bar. I have bronchitis and that was not a pleasure, a mistake I will never make again :D

On the Liberty to go to the internetcafe you have to walk through one of the bars, where smoking is allowed, hell, I take my ventolin to go through and it works fine. 8)

I book a non-smoking cruise instantly if my DH would quit smoking too, but he is a die-hard smoker. :cry:


L, :evil:

JeanS March 9th, 2006 07:34 AM

I would give preference to a non-smoking ship if the itinerary was good, doesn't even have to be great! They may have more non-smoking areas on ships these days, but when we were on Royal Caribbean, we were forced to walk thru a bar area to get to the showroom and it was very THICK with smoke!

My wish someday would be to have a non-smoking world, but at least things are better than they used to be....

Pagan March 13th, 2006 06:40 PM

We did an Eastern Caribbean cruise on Paradise back in 2002 - it was total bliss to have no smoking - we were suprised it had been stopped.

Will March 15th, 2006 09:15 PM

Will NEVER Happen again...Sorry

Thomas March 21st, 2006 07:03 PM

It can happen again, if the cruiselines would market it better. There are certainly enough customers to warrant a non-smoking ship, yet the Paradise didn't change the intinerary enough. Who wants to go on their one vacation every year to the same ports as last year, and the year before, etc.

Also, they could market it to multiple groups of people who can't stand smoke. Such as, the AMA, Nursing Associates, Lung cancer survivors network, etc.

Never say never.

Regards,
Thomas

Will March 22nd, 2006 08:12 PM

You are right Thomas...Never say Never....I will not argue with you about that statement.

Sunlover March 23rd, 2006 02:45 PM

I would definitely go and would love it!! Had to limit my time in the casino on the Liberty because of smoke. Also, it is terrible to go to the internet cafe, have to walk through the cigar bar.
I am also so afraid of someone lighting their bed on fire and now seeing the Star Princess....prayers go out to all on that ship!!

NurseAngela March 24th, 2006 06:23 PM

Don't see it happening. It would have trouble booking large groups. Just one smoker in the group and they wouldn't cruise. Around 1 in 4 people smoke. I, a nonsmoker, would also never cruise on a nonsmoking ship. I personally prefer smokers, who seem to have a less judgemental and easygoing attitude. So, you have to cut out us too!

Pagan March 25th, 2006 03:16 AM

Wow - that's a bit judgemental.....

spike007 March 25th, 2006 12:20 PM

Smoking is not the problem. Smoking in areas that are non smoking is a problem. Carnival Capers activities paper states where the smoking areas are. troube is, no one reads them and there are only five "no smoking " signs posted near the main pool. If you read the Capers, you will find that smoking is restricted to several areas. Smokers smoke whereever they please,even in the posted "no smoking" areas. When asked not to smoke, I was given a dirty look, and told there was no chairs available in the smoking area, and they lit another cigarette.
Another problem is almost every bar is a smoke filled bar. So how is a non smoker to contribute his money on drinks and gambling, so we can spend as much as smokers on drinks and the casino?

chibertb March 25th, 2006 10:53 PM

IF, in fact the cause of the recent fire on the cruise ship was due to a cigarette, my point has been made again...bring back a non-smoking cruise.

username April 10th, 2006 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by spike007
Smoking is not the problem. Smoking in areas that are non smoking is a problem. Carnival Capers activities paper states where the smoking areas are. troube is, no one reads them and there are only five "no smoking " signs posted near the main pool. If you read the Capers, you will find that smoking is restricted to several areas. Smokers smoke whereever they please,even in the posted "no smoking" areas. When asked not to smoke, I was given a dirty look, and told there was no chairs available in the smoking area, and they lit another cigarette.
Another problem is almost every bar is a smoke filled bar. So how is a non smoker to contribute his money on drinks and gambling, so we can spend as much as smokers on drinks and the casino?

I THINK YOUR A LITTLE CONFUSED TO SAY THAT SMOKERS SMOKE WHEREEVER THEY WANT. I AM A SMOKER, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN MYSELF AND OTHERS IS THE LACK OF RESPECT THAT SOME SMOKERS HAVE FOR NON-SMOKERS. THE PROBLEM IS ENFORCEMENT OF RULES--AND THAT IS A CRUISE SHIPS PROBLEM. I DONT THINK YOU SHOULD SMOKE IN CONFINED CLOSED AREAS WITH PEOPLE WHO DONT SMOKE. BIGGER AREAS WITH PROPER VENTILATION SYSTEMS COULD BE AN ANSWER. BUT YOU WILL ALWAYS HAVE THAT GUY WHO WANTS HIS RIGHT TO SMOKE BUT DOESN'T MIND DAMAGING YOUR HEALTH OR LUNGS IN THE PROCESS. THESE PEOPLE ARE JUST IDIOTS. TO PROVE THAT ASK ONE OF THEM IF THEY WAKE UP EVERY 20 MINUTES TO SMOKE A CIGARETTE OR LEAVE DURING A MOVIE, OR GOD FORBID DURING A FOOTBALL GAME. YOU SEE ITS ABOUT RESPECT FOR OTHERS--------AND SOME JUST NEVER WILL. FROM A RESPECTFUL SMOKER TO A NON-SMOKER IM SORRY---------OH YEA WHAT ABOUT ALL THE JERKS WHO LEAVE THERE TOWELS AND BAGS ON THE CHAIRS WHILE THEY TAKE A 3 HR LUNCH BRAKE OR NAP? I BET THERE NOT ALL SMOKERS-----------YEP ANOTHER CLASS OF NON RESPECTORS OF OTHERS!!!

san007 April 20th, 2006 08:18 PM

I cruised Paradise 2002/may. 10 day St thomas, st martin, st lucia, barbados and marinigue. I only wish we have non-smoking ships these days. I'm sick of coughing my lungs out on my balcony cabin. It's hard too to stay in the casino. I enjoyed Paradise,however.

jmac April 29th, 2006 12:06 PM

Hi, I live in Scotland where smoking has been banned in all public places, bars, cafes, offices, hospitals, public transport etc etc. Its WONDERFUL! There were fears that it wouldnt be enforced but it hasn`t turned out to be much of a problem. Shelters have been built for customers who smoke outside some bars.
Wales is due to follow us & Ireland went first. England is next. Matter of time before paying customers expect smoke free cruises. It looks like most of you people who post on this forum are American & you must be the cruise ships biggest customers but Europe is also a big market & market forces will prevail.

Pagan April 29th, 2006 06:23 PM

I totally agree - I am only suprised that having been to the USA many times and know how a lot of States have a similar ban on smoking to us in the UK - how it is still viewed as alien to have a non smoking ship. Plus we cruised on Paradise and it was far from empty and baring in mind the entries here, there must be more than a minority interested in seeing it reinstated.

fleaberry May 13th, 2006 12:50 PM

I think once again cruise ships need to enforce more rules. A non-smoking area should be just that. I know that I didn't appreciate the cigarette butts that flew over onto my balcony! (However they did vacuum out there each day!) The casinos are tough. I like to gamble a little but the smoke is really bad. The drinking, smoking and gambling seem to go together. A non-smoking ship would be great but obviously there isn't one becuase of profits.

inspiration439 May 18th, 2006 08:38 PM

on my cruise, Inspiration, there weren't very many smokers, although it would be nice to have fresh air, I don't think it's fair to smokers to ban them from cruises. If you went on a cruise that had a port every single day there shouldn't be a problem. If worst comes to worst, cruise lines should just make a smoking-section on the boat, that way it all works out after all.
-Catherine

rjsmom August 25th, 2006 03:07 PM

To All the Smokers on Board; just remember that we as non-smokers are not trying to take away your rights. Just please remember that we have rights too. I cruise twice a year and my biggest problems with smokers on board (SOME NOT ALL) , is the way they pretend not to see the signs on board that say CLEARLY NON_SMOKING AREA. The casino is one place that all ships have a non-smoking section. And yes the smoke is going to permiate the air in the casino. However when you are in a non-smoking area and your smoke is going in my face and up my nose I have to draw the line and say please move. Also on most every deck on a ship the Starboard or Portside (depending on line ) is designated NON_SMOKING. But again we have a problem when unconsiderate smokers pretend not to read or just plain ignore the signs. Sorry to all the smokers who take offense to this, and if by chance you are one of the few who can't read or find a non-smoking sign, all the crew can help you out on this one. THANKS FOR NOT RUINING MY CRUISE, WE ALL HAVE RIGHTS !!!!! CK




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Dianeisme313 August 26th, 2006 05:24 PM

I was on the Paradise when it was non-smoking too. My first cruise.

We took our second cruise on the Carnival Valor. I didn't enjoy having to go to the lounge every evening, because it was the only non-smoking entertainment after the show and dining. We tried the Piano Bar and couldn't breath in there, casino was eye watering with smoke and 2 other places.

Our next cruise will be Holland's Noordam July 8th, 2007. I understand the promegade deck only has smoking in the casino and sports bar. I hope that is the case cause there will be more places for us to go.

I'm interested in learning more about the non-smoking side of a ship on every deck. Does this include the cabins? Is it possible to get a cabin with a non -smoking side of a ship so the balcony won't get smoke in it? My husband says fat chance, but i'm hoping for some good news. I'm ready to change what side we are on if this is true. We are booked on the port side now.

Fieldmouse August 27th, 2006 01:41 PM

Sorry...passengers can smoke in their cabins no matter WHAT side of the ship they're on! We're hoping soon the cruiselines will take a stand and not allow smoking in passenger cabins, just like Hotel rooms. Cleaning cabins after smokers have gone can be expensive and time consuming. There's no question it's a hassle for the staff.

Some cruises have fewer smokers than others, but that's only the luck of the draw.

On our last cruise to Alaska...even the hallways smelled of smoke...
We have never had a problem with smokers before this cruise. We'd just avoided areas they were in...hard to miss...just look for the floating clouds of white smoke. But this cruise to Alaska was different. You couldn't avoid the smoke...it was everywhere, on everyone, even in our cabin.

You know...money talks...so if enough passengers complain???

rosetattoo August 30th, 2006 09:51 AM

We had a heavy smoker in our room prior to one of our cruises and we could not get the smell out for the entire week. We had our Room Steward remove the bedspreads, re-wash the linen, new pillows, spray, etc. It was a horrible experience and we spent a lot of time on the open decks but still had to sleep there (no other staterooms available to transfer to). From that cruise on, we always booked a balcony stateroom just in case we had a heavy smoker(s) prior to our cruise (at least we can open the door to air it out). Walking the smoker's gauntlet thru the Cigar Bar to get to the Internet Cafe is always challenging (I usually bring a towel to hold over my mouth or nose). The Casino is the big problem for me, the smoke seems to hang in the air and has me gasping for fresh air after only a few minutes. If I go to the Casino at all, I try to go as soon as it opens in the morning, less people, less smoke....and, I love to gamble. I definitely think the cruiselines are losing a lot of money that would otherwise be spent in the Casino by non-smokers because of the horrendous smoke problem.

POPPA_DADDYO September 12th, 2006 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by rosetattoo
We had a heavy smoker in our room prior to one of our cruises and we could not get the smell out for the entire week. We had our Room Steward remove the bedspreads, re-wash the linen, new pillows, spray, etc. It was a horrible experience and we spent a lot of time on the open decks but still had to sleep there (no other staterooms available to transfer to). From that cruise on, we always booked a balcony stateroom just in case we had a heavy smoker(s) prior to our cruise (at least we can open the door to air it out). Walking the smoker's gauntlet thru the Cigar Bar to get to the Internet Cafe is always challenging (I usually bring a towel to hold over my mouth or nose). The Casino is the big problem for me, the smoke seems to hang in the air and has me gasping for fresh air after only a few minutes. If I go to the Casino at all, I try to go as soon as it opens in the morning, less people, less smoke....and, I love to gamble. I definitely think the cruiselines are losing a lot of money that would otherwise be spent in the Casino by non-smokers because of the horrendous smoke problem.

Smoking just makes it miserable for all us non smokers. Carnival needs to enforce their rules for smokers smoking in non smoking areas. I never see them say anything to smokers not following the rules. Where are the non smokers rights?

POPPA_DADDYO October 16th, 2006 09:07 AM

Re: Bring back a non-smoking ship!!!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by chibertb
I sure did enjoy the Paradise when it was non-smoking. I have to assume it was purely a profit driven decision to stop, but it sure was nice.

Bring it back!!

I talked to my travel agent at Carnival and she has told me they have meetings coming up about the smoking issues. She told me to look for major changes since this has been a problem for Carnival. She said she will keep me posted. This is the best news I heard in a while. It would be better news if I hear they totally ban smoking or limit them to a room on top of the ship. Let us non smokers have the fresh air we deserve. Swimming, sunbathing, eating and just relaxing makes much better sense without stinky smoke lingering around!

kitty2 October 16th, 2006 11:19 AM

They could have one of their snaller ships as non smoking. I think the Paridise was just too big to pull it off.

We like Oceania & Orient because they only have 2 place for smokers 1 inside & 1 outside.

Fieldmouse October 16th, 2006 05:36 PM

You've heard that even FRANCE is imposing some non-smoking regulations...WOW! And you know the French love to smoke, so this is a major step towards a growning awareness of the hazards of smoking!
None to soon!


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