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Old February 4th, 2008, 07:18 PM
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CHICAGO -- United Airlines will begin charging passengers $25 to check in a second piece of luggage for domestic travel if they are not part of its most-frequent-flier programs, the airline said Monday.

The charge will generate more than $100 million in revenue and cost savings each year, UAL Corp. (UAUA: 38.58, -2.56, -6.22%) said. The change takes effect May 5 and applies to tickets purchased on or after Monday.

Travelers would have to log at least 25,000 miles in a year on United to ensure they can check their second bag for free.
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I'd like to see if the others follow. Sometimes they do and sometimes they don't. They all did with the fuel charges but not all do when it comes to a fare increase.

Since we can't book flights to NOLA yet that puts us in a bind. Course we could drive to NOLA but thats 8 hrs...yuck !

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I have a feeling, the others will follow, what next?
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Twenty-five dollars seems a bit stiff for one more bag; ten would be more reasonable. People will try to carry on bags that they would have checked and/or carry on larger bags. This will make the security check in even worse. You can almost never change just one thing – there are usually unintended consequences somewhere else.
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other airlines will wait to see if United loses customers because of this, before they match

Southwest and Delta are the largest carriers in/out of New Orleans, so you might look at them first

an alternative is the new upstart airlines out of Columbus Ohio (name escapes me at the moment) which flies into Gulfport MS (about 90 minutes east of New Orleans)..they have super low fares
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there is supposedly a waiver for skiers and golfers as they won't count skis and clubs. My daughter is livid b/c she uses an entire checked bag for her scuba gear. she thinks they should waive a bag if you show you padi card.
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My prediction is that more airlines will go the way of some European airlines and charge for a lot more than a second bag. Its more typical of low cost carriers in Europe who do this like EasyJet or Ryanair, so the equivalent of our Southwest Airlines or AirTran. Some of them charge for any checked bags, charge if you check in at the airport and not online, etc. If anyone has heard of Columbus-based Skybus Airlines, they have adapted a similar approach.

I was surprised that a major airline such as United implemented this policy but I can see where they're coming from. Simply enough: less bags = less weight on the aircraft = less fuel to get where it's going. Its this or a fuel surcharge if you ask me. Personally I'd rather not have a fuel charge and just pay a fee if I'm over-packing. Its their way of keeping their fares down for everyone. It isn't fair to the guy in 7C who paid the same price but just brought a carry on to be charged more the next time he flys because the person in 7B decides to bring a carry-on and two checked bags (which can weigh up to 100lbs combined).

Reduce how much you pack, reduce how much you pay. A bit of a task for some but a fair trade off, in my opinion.
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I think airlines will find this is a mistake. This makes flying more expensive. More expensive flights equal less people flying. Less People flying equals more empty seats.
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I think airlines will find this is a mistake. This makes flying more expensive. More expensive flights equal less people flying. Less People flying equals more empty seats.
The price of flying is going up though so they have to do something in order to keep operating. The alternative to this, as I mentioned before, would be either a widespread rise in fares, or a fuel surcharge. This means everyone pays more.
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What I have learned from the news is this fee will only apply to those in the coach section HUMMM kind of like the cruise lines only charging certain nationalities for the fuel-surcharge. Wher is the fairness in THAT ?
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They can charge ANYTHING they want past the 1st bag, for all I care. I applaud United, hopefully they will apply this policy to all carry-on luggage as well, maybe at an even higher rate. Some people try to carry everything but the kitchen sink onboard a flight. And they need to start enforcing that carry-on rule of only 1 item and 1 item only no matter what it is, per passenger!
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Well, IMHO, this is a cop out! If the airlines enforced the rules they made, they wouldn't have to do this.

The Captain has it right, the real issue is the carry on baggage. I mean get real. I've seen people (and not stand by passengers) try to bring on a large over stuffed garment bag and a carry on suit case plus a laptop onto the plane. And the flight attendant assisted them! Passengers do this so they don't have to deal with baggage claim when they finsih their flight.

Ten years ago when the luggage companies started selling the enormous suitcases, people loved them and loaded them with 75 or more lbs of stuff. I bought my wife (now my ex) a beautiful $250 Samsonite cargo container. We go hit with a $50 charge for the bag weighing in at 60 lbs. At the time it was news to us that their was a 40 lb limit. After unsuccesfully trying to sell it, I gave it to Goodwill. It was only used once. They enforced that rule.

So now a passenger is faced with trying to make one check in bag under 40 lbs and very lax rules about carry on baggage. The luggage weight will shift from the cargo area to the passenger area. Passengers will have to wait longer in security lines while more baggage is checked in the x-ray machines. (And don't even get me started on security lines.) It will take longer to board and more people will be upset when trying to find spots for their carry on baggage.

For a one week cruise my wife (current one) and I pack everything we need to include a tux and two formal dresses in two check in's and two carry on's. We use one medium suitcase and a semi hard garment bag. We each take a carrry on that meets the size requirements. If necessary we can gate-check the carry on's which contain enough clothes for 1 1/2 days at sea. The carry on's are just in case the check in's go to the wrong airport. And we each bring a small backpack to hold our electronics, docs, cameras, food, and a book.

Since HAL has a great laundry program, we will learn to pack a little lighter. Just because it's easier.

It's the people who can't observe the rules that cause those of who do observe the rules to undergo more rules. The ones that don't care still won't care and the flight attendants will still assit them to stow their inordinate amounts of check-in baggage.

What next? I'm waiting for the day when TSA dictates the way we pack our luggage. Oh, they've already started, haven't they? If anyone wants to here my rants about airport security, just ask.
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What I have learned from the news is this fee will only apply to those in the coach section HUMMM kind of like the cruise lines only charging certain nationalities for the fuel-surcharge. Wher is the fairness in THAT ?
Are you serious?...

That would be one of the perks to paying the higher fare for the first class ticket. Kind of like priority boarding, more legroom, and (usually) meals included. No discrimination whatsoever.

Just as a note: their elite frequent flyers would be exempt from this as well. Personally, that seems like a fair reward to me since those are the people who are sending UA the most business.
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It was almost impossible to keep one bag @ 50 lbs, I don't think I can do 40 lbs and just one bag. They really have us now.
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I think airlines will find this is a mistake. This makes flying more expensive. More expensive flights equal less people flying. Less People flying equals more empty seats.
The price of flying is going up though so they have to do something in order to keep operating. The alternative to this, as I mentioned before, would be either a widespread rise in fares, or a fuel surcharge. This means everyone pays more.
I have no problems with them raising fares because of rising cost. They are going to do that anyways. I wouldn't mind this if they took $25 bucks off when I traveled with no bag at all. I do that often when I can not leave work early. I my wife leaves in the morning or the day before and I fly down in a plane and get picked up at the airport. That way we have our car and I can drive back. Are they going to give me an extra $25 bucks?

This is going to effect two groups of people family's and buisness travelers that travel for a week. They are going to have to learn to put there clothing and suits in one bag or pay extra. It just will not work.

If they are going to charge why not just charge for carry on luggage. That I wouldn't mind. I can't tell you how much I hate carry on bags.
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I certainly hope the Canadian based airlines don't do that. If I want to buy ANYTHING at all, I need a second bag. I can stuff one suitcase full to the brim with the clothes and necessary items I need. I took two 24", one 19" carry on, plus my beach bag (which doubled as my purse/carry on) and I came back with all but the beach bag stuffed FULL!!!!!! I didn't go over weight, I would have if they weighed my rolling carry-on........

I believe it is a cash grab. Nothing more than a way to bail themselves out of trouble!!!!
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i was completely shocked to hear on the news that united, such a major airline, had decided to chrage for the second piece of luggage. i dont quite understand the concept or their way of thinking. i mean if i could affor a first class ticket or to travel 25,000 miles a year then i obviously wouldnt be griping about a piddley 25 dollar charge. BUT for the rest of us who can hardly afford to fly coach now a days, they put a 25 dollar fee on us. pretty soon for me anyways it will be too pricey to travel annnywhere. now granted the 25 dollar fee is not mandatory and therefore if you cannot afford it, then pack lite. however when you are going on a cruise for example and you have to pack pretty much your entire house except the sink, it makes it kind of hard. and for the person who replied about it all coming down to fuel costs, i thought that made perfect sense until i thought about it. ok so first class passengers 2 bags, for free, dont add to the weight of the plane? do only coach passengers luggage make that weight up? maybe im just not all too informed about this topic, but to me it seems simple....middle class passengers need to pay more and first class passengers need to pay less! this all falls back into our government system reguarding our taxes too, give people who make a certain bracket of money a tax break!!! well for now i know who i wont be flying with!! lol

as for everyone who posted about carry on luggage being the real issue, i completley concure. im not one to take a carry-on just because of the hassle. i think it is ok to take a laptop or diaperbag..etc. but when people, as mentioned before, push the size limit to the max it really irritates me. this is just simply due to the fact that when the plane finally lands there are a number of factors and variable of why people want or need off in a hurry and this becomes difficult when you have to wait an extra 30min while every other passenger is trying to manouver there huge carryons out of the overhead bins.
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I can do laudry where I am staying at to keep the luggage down.
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No problem. Dressing for flight: I'll just put my swim suit on first, then a pair of shorts and a couple of t shirts, capris and top, followed by a dress (loose fitting of course). Layer on another blouse, cover-up, hat and a shawl around the neck. ALL jewelry must be worn, as well as your heaviest pair of shoes, no matter what style. There, that should leave more weight allowance for my cruise "stuff": power strip, note pads, snorkel gear (maybe I could wear the mask and snorkel?), etc. etc. ! I'm in trouble!

Seriously though, I think I'll be more and more inclined to leave the dressier clothes, extra shoes for "that" outfit behind. Or suck it up and pay the $25.

I wonder if this won't be a further push towards more casual cruising?
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I was surprised that a major airline such as United implemented this policy but I can see where they're coming from. Simply enough: less bags = less weight on the aircraft = less fuel to get where it's going. Its this or a fuel surcharge if you ask me. Personally I'd rather not have a fuel charge and just pay a fee if I'm over-packing. Its their way of keeping their fares down for everyone. It isn't fair to the guy in 7C who paid the same price but just brought a carry on to be charged more the next time he flys because the person in 7B decides to bring a carry-on and two checked bags (which can weigh up to 100lbs combined).

Reduce how much you pack, reduce how much you pay. A bit of a task for some but a fair trade off, in my opinion.
Interesting the diversified reactions! I agree wtih John.. Let the extra cost be paid by the guys taking the extra weight. It's an allowance of 90#s per person.. (50 check, 40 carry on) (Purses, laptops and briefcases don't count, btw) .. And I think it's fair that first class doesn't have to pay more; they pay a BUNCH more than coach for their seats. One funny thing is that most business travelers, who have the most miles, don't check luggage. The majority are gone a day or two and have only carry-on. I did business travel for years and didn't check luggage when I was gone all week.. NO, I'm not one of the jerks that takes extra aboard.. I just learned really early on you can wash in a motel sink.. easier than lugging stuff around I suspect we'll see many other airlines following suit.
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And they need to start enforcing that carry-on rule of only 1 item and 1 item only no matter what it is, per passenger!

I agree when they started forcing people to carry less luggage for security reasons the planes loaded and unloaded much faster at the gate.

BTW has anyone hear ever shipped stuff ahead of time by UPS for example?
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And they need to start enforcing that carry-on rule of only 1 item and 1 item only no matter what it is, per passenger!

I agree when they started forcing people to carry less luggage for security reasons the planes loaded and unloaded much faster at the gate.

BTW has anyone hear ever shipped stuff ahead of time by UPS for example?
But it's not one item only.. it's one carry on PLUS a purse, laptop, briefcase, etc. (also I'm pretty sure golf clubs, etc)

And Yes.. Hubby and I shipped (UPS) a couple boxes to Texas and back just to avoid the airport hassle.. It worked great, but it was rather expensive! Goes by box size and we spent over 80 bucks round trip for 2 boxes Probably won't do it again just because of the money. Of course.. it was really handy

I see some of the cruise lines are doing the same.. They pick-up your luggage at your house and deliver to cruise ship and vice/versa. That's 90 bucks one way.. I THINK per suitcase.. very pricey.
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It doesn't matter if you believe that charging more for baggage will cut passenger flights because it will NOT. For instance, you MUST be in New York this afternoon and you are currently in Seattle. You are going to fly, not drive.
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Ten years ago when the luggage companies started selling the enormous suitcases, people loved them and loaded them with 75 or more lbs of stuff.
We loved the big bags, too! My DH & I each had one and we were able to fit all our belongings for a 10 day cruise. What a breeze being able to check in 1 bag each! Then we had to worry about the per back weight limit, now it is the 1 free bag issue.

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It doesn't matter if you believe that charging more for baggage will cut passenger flights because it will NOT. For instance, you MUST be in New York this afternoon and you are currently in Seattle. You are going to fly, not drive.
I dunno, Hawk.. you haven't seen me drive!
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[quote="Joe323"]And they need to start enforcing that carry-on rule of only 1 item and 1 item only no matter what it is, per passenger!

I think not everything is "black & white". I agree with the 1 carry-on rule except for certain exceptions. For instance, I carry on on backback which has a book, a snack, camera, meds, and a change of clean chonies in case my luggage gets lost !

I also have a bag the size of a laptop bag that is medical equipment. I can't go without it.

So I need two items, but for a good reason and neither of them are large in size by any means.
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