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I also recall the the WheelHouse was the first repository of cruise reviews for rec.travel.cruises cruisers. But when they decided to quit I believe they gave that honor to cruisereviews.com which was run by (name escapes me - Tom Ott?) at the time.

His wife was the founder of NACTA - a travel agent consortium. I am not sure that was the best move. The member submitted reviews were still good, but Tom's own reviews were the ultimate in fluff to me.
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Thanks for your comments, George. I know you have been around for a long time. I did not know you were at Mining Company, though. That preceded "About.com" which then had Linda Coffman and now has Linda Garrison as cruise editors.
Gee Paul when you say it like that I suddenly feel sooooo old. But it is true I have been around for a long time, in computer forum and page lifetime cycles anyway. But I do want it noted, I only stepped out of my 50's this year although I admit that darn 60 number HURT!

Actually Linda took over The Mining Company page from me with my blessing and recommendation. We had actually sailed a group cruise ( unsponsored ) and met together with some forum members to Bermuda in the Zenith back in the day. I still stay in contact with Linda from time to time and check her cruisediva site.

Prior to The Mining Company page I did a personal web page on cruising. It was the good old days for me since personal web pages then required some basic html programming and was not an template situation. Also actual cabin and ship photo's were rare as few had ability to scan in and reduce size of photo's for online consumption. I posted photo's so I had a small, but ego building following. Few also had enough un-timed bandwidth to wait for photo's and such to download. Audience and interaction was limited at times but always high quality information. As always I digress. Lest to say the internet has grown to be what even I never anticipated. With that growth comes good and bad.

I remember the first time I presented my Mining Company credentials ( haha computer made business card ) at a RCCL media event at Manhattan pier hoping for a tour and a free cookie. Mining what, on inter who? They politely showed me the door, hahaha, not funny then I admit I was a might offended at the time. Cruise companies had no use for the internet back then. In fact they were very slow to the party and still have not realized it's true potential It was sites like Ann's original on AOL and you and Ann creating cruisemates, also forums like rec.travel.cruises, that awakened the lines to the internet. And it was your cruising experience both as former cruise ship staff and subsequent frequent cruiser that gave pages and articles credibility. It is that credibility that must not be lost. There must be lot's of real with the fluff.

Fluff is not so bad and advertising pays the bills and must be accepted as necessary evil. Hey every once in a blue moon there is actually an ad for something I am interested in. But there always has to be some meat for a site to exist and prosper. It is much harder to provide anything unique now. Everyone is in everyone else's business now so tons of fluff fluffing away. What makes a site such as this valuable is that you don't really have a lot of fluff only contributors. You have CRUISE lovers like yourself and others still involved.

How many of us have read articles in general elsewhere by " travel contributors " that have obviously never seen a ship much less sailed lot's of them as you have? I once did an agent tour back in my short three year cruise only agent side job life. One of the agents touring asked an innocent question, " do all cabins have a toilet ? " Well after all, that was why she was taking a ship agents tour right, to learn? Only problem was that she had been selling cruises for over a year already. Imagine the accuracy of information she was giving to newbees. To this day cruise line reservationists still can't provide factual answers to simple questions. Does cabin cat whatever have a refrigerator or a safe? Often 50/50 that the answer will be correct. How many cruise line pages offer just a generic picture and listing for a cabin cat, almost all. Want to know what aft suite 4237 on Miracle really looks like you go to my youtube

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video of it. Just as I did for another suite friends booked for our cruise. I went to someones video and photos of it. Real information from real cruisers, that is the key on pages or in articles. That is how you find that the same cat suite on one deck is no where near as good as the one a deck above. Although both cost the same one is far superior because of design factors of each location.

Continued good luck with cruisemates and happy cruising. Sooner or later you and I will meet up on a ship somewhere and get to have a cocktail together I will look forward to it!

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When I post a cruise review I try to as neutral-as possible.
If I see something that bothers me (maybe mot others) I still
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to writers likes/dislikes.
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Cruise Critic did come around in 1995, but it was only on AOL until 2000. We started CruiseMates in 1999.

Sadly, our boards are doing OK, but are getting knocked just because there are too many boards out there, and becues of Cruise Critc, which honestly very rarely never go to.

When I go to CC (just to read) I am impressed by the number of posters, but I find it hard to find what I am looking for because there is too much "noise" from people making off-topic comments, or just saying "me, too" or "I agree" types of comments.

But if you ever have a very obscure question "what color are the hairdryers the room steward gives on Carnival Fantasy" that is the place to go.
I agree, Paul. There's really too much "stuff" going on on CC's. In the last few year's I've only used it for Roll Call post's (for some reason the Roll Call's have never taken off here .)
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I have to agree with Arthur. I enjoy cruising for cruising sake. I do not need to be entertained 24/7. If I want to shop, climb walls, ice skate, surf, I can do that at home. I enjoy the long, lazy cruises, days at sea, and yes, just sitting in a deck chair and reading a good book while glancing now and then at the beautiful ocean and just being on the ship. To me, this is what cruising is all about.
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I have to agree with Arthur. I enjoy cruising for cruising sake. I do not need to be entertained 24/7. If I want to shop, climb walls, ice skate, surf, I can do that at home. I enjoy the long, lazy cruises, days at sea, and yes, just sitting in a deck chair and reading a good book while glancing now and then at the beautiful ocean and just being on the ship. To me, this is what cruising is all about.
That is exactly what myself and DW enjoy about cruising. It's the cruise ,

fresh air and sunshine. The all the other fluff isn't very important
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George....

I am not sure when you had your web page or when Minng Company started a cruise section. Strangely anouth, the company that acquired us also acquired cruisereviews.com and sealetter.com, two of the first cruise sites online.

Now cruisereviews.com still gets a fair amount of traffic just due to its name. It has an editor that I work with but he is just now getting up to spped on it. Sealetter was allowed to fade away (although I think it is still online).

I know what you mean about people saying "inter wha....?" But I will tell you that starting with the Internet bubble in 1998 that by the time Seatrade rooled around in the year 2000 the Internet was ALL the cruise lines were talking about.

They caught on - in conceot, very quickly. What they did not foresee was the demise of AOL and the rise of the Internet itself (few people saw that). A lot of cruise lines did not even have web sites until 2001.

But someone at SeaTrade 2000 said "in 10 years there will not be a single cruise sale without at least one Internet component" and I don't think many people believed him, but he was absolutely right.

And it is only going to get bigger and bigger.

And this is where it is going - in 10 years the Internet will be the equivalent of cable TV. There will be tons of video content which you will watch on demand, and it will be tours of cruise ships, etc. There will be a QVC-like channel for selling cruises, and they will have a full-time hostess and will feature certain cruises at different times during the day.

By this time half of America will have tried a cruise and cruise ships will be largely comoditized, like hotel rooms on priceline or condos on golf courses. You will see them put up a cruise line sail date and offer it at one price for early buyers and the price will go up (or down) depending on demand.
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It's kind of a funny coincidence, but my Blog entry that I wrote kind of talks about much of this.
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This is an interesting topic that I brought up to Paul, over dinner on the Epic transatlantic crossing. First of all, this really is a nice site, which I have been reading over for the past couple of weeks. I have been an active member of Cruise Critic & Flyertalk (which is part the parent company for Cruise Mates) for several years. I am impressed by the quality of discussion and interesting insights to travel.

Paul, you are an impressive man with a strong knowledge of your field. It was a pleasure to get to know you over the seven days. It's interesting that one of my main questions to you was about this very topic: cruise compensation and travel reviews. In our conversation, I had brought up Stern, the Fielding Guide, (which were the best cruise guides I have seen) and Peter Greenberg. It was Greenberg that wrote about the perils of comped travel in this book, The Travel Detective.

After sending you the Frommer review of Epic I did come to some conclusions. Unlike Frommer, Stern & others, I do believe large ships can make for an enjoyable nautical vacation if they (the ships) are well designed. A good example of large ship designs that work is the full fleet of RCCL. On my May, 13 night transatlantic on the Adventure of the Seas, most of the passengers continually commented, "where are all the People, this ship is sailing full"???

This above all else was my problem with the Epic. It by and large is poorly designed and executed on many, many levels. The attractiveness of the ship, both inside and out is shoddy. The public rooms are poorly designed and executed; with the use of space and reasonable public walkways. From what I witnessed, I believe much of the ships interior to be of reclaimed materials. There is no "new smell" to this vessel. The color scheme is very dark, with no nautical touches (I do mean none, including ship related art) inside the ship.

Furthermore, the ships main entertainment venues are much too small for the 4,000 passenger load. A prime example of this is the Spiegel Tent that is much smaller than what is shown in the brochure. The problem for the Epic, is that it has nothing like Royal's Royal Promenade. This is a very helpful large space that spans the full length of the ship; enabling people to easily move thought the large vessels, without serious bottle necks.

Reading through the various reviews, I believe this is one key reason why Frommer, Stern & others have difficulty with these new large vessels. They want ships that look and feel like ships. Frommer would be right, on the idea of just docking the Epic in Biloxi as a new Casino Resort.

Many of the reviews I have read by professionals leave a lot to be desired. Most in my opinion are propaganda to satisfy their advertisers. I mean really, how could the marketing department at Royal Caribbean have gotten better paid coverage of Oasis: than that shown by the "live" coverage by Cruise Critic? It was like a true infomercial for Royal Caribbean. They should have been given RCCL stock for their Epic effort. Sometimes the very best marketing material comes for free, by the supposedly unbiased media. Thus most of what Peter Greenberg says on this topic is right on the mark.

Through my travels I have found the various opinions of travel agents I have met to be invaluable. What would they (whom have relationships with their clients) recommend? There was a time when I was close to booking the MSC Posea. I had a luncheon with six travel agents from Canada (on Celebrity Century) and they (along with my Orlando TA) talked me out of it. Reading the "fluff" reviews I would have known no better. Thus, the point I want to leave for discussion is that, in many instances TAs are our one of our best resources. Their livelihood is determined on their recommendations, rather that advertising revenue.

Paul, thank you again for everything: it was truly a pleasure to meet you. Your right, the cruisemates group is quite different than I am used to with Cruise Critic. I would strongly recommend that many of you look into using the resources of Flyertalk.com. They are among the most knowledgeable people I have come across, for travel related information. It's odd there is not more interaction between these two sites. They actually mention Cruise Critic on their cruise section. Yet, oddly both (cruisemates.com & flyertalk.com) are owned by the same company. Paul, I would never have realized this; nor would most Flyertalkers. :razz:
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This is an interesting topic that I brought up to Paul, over dinner on the Epic transatlantic crossing. First of all, this really is a nice site, which I have been reading over for the past couple of weeks. I have been an active member of Cruise Critic & Flyertalk (which is part the parent company for Cruise Mates) for several years. I am impressed by the quality of discussion and interesting insights to travel.
Yes, it would be nice if the people on Flyertalk aknowledged us more.

Thank you for the compliments. By the way, Fielding stopped writing cruise guides awhile back but our Anne Campbell wrote the book for a few years.

I sw Steven Stern on Oasis. There is another new poster here who likes Stern as well.
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It should be noted that Stern does attend complimentary cruises as well. I have no knowledge if that's acknowledged in his guides, or not.

[ed note - we have to be careful to say that we also don't know if he uses those "fam cruises" to shape his reviews. He could go back on the ships on his own later on a regular passenger cruise.

I can tell you that back in the day of Anne Campbell writing Fielding's Guide (1993) she had a rule that no ship was reviewed until it had been in service for 6 months and she could take a full, regular passenger cruise. However, back then there were about 80% fewer ships in service. - Paul Motter]
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The one who seemed to make the most of this is Peter Greenberg, with his views of Travel Journalism. Let's just say, he has some strong opinions on the topic.
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Flyertalk is a great resource, that should be noted more often. Perhaps then more people would come from their site.
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Let me ask you all a question.

What if I told you there is a thing called a "media rate" and that it is possible some very well-known travel writers who claim to pay for everything "just like you do" actually only pay this media rate much of the time. And what if I told you the media rate is "next to nothing?" - its a mere technicality.

So, really, which is worse? Our approach, or saying you paid for your cruise and writing an article actually based on a token "media rate?"
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Lots of stuff - not fluff - in this thread!

Since I am the editor of CruiseReviews, let me provide some history of both that site and Sealetter.

Sealetter is still available on line as an archive. It was founded in the mid-1990's by a man interested in cruises, who then sold it to a cruise agent I knew. She had previously started a cruise forum on Compuserve but the politics of Compuserve were mean and they shut her forum down literally with no notice. So she developed Sealetter as an internet magazine which also had a forum. I wrote a few articles for Sealetter and helped manage the forum. For personal reasons, Sharon was not able to maintain the site and she sold it to the then-owner of CruiseReviews Tom Ogg about 5 years ago.

I came along as part of the luggage essentially, and Tom made me an associate editor and administrator of CruiseReviews and it's forum where I worked with renowned cruise expert and ship historian Raoul Fiebig before he left to start his own forum in Germany. About 3 years ago along came Internet Brands, and they purchased both CruiseReviews and Sealetter from Tom Ogg, so here we are today owned by the same company that owns CruiseMates.

This is also a good place for me to publicly thank Paul for mentoring me over the past year or so.

Back to the point - I've never heard of "media rate", but now that I have I am not surprised by it. To me it is no different than being comped for the cruise all the way. Actually the media rate sounds more shady if the reviewer is going to claim they paid for the cruise, but really didn't.
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I am not sure when you had your web page or when Minng Company started a cruise section. Strangely anouth, the company that acquired us also acquired cruisereviews.com and sealetter.com, two of the first cruise sites online.
Paul, You are really bringing back some memories with names like Ken Stutt and all these sites, Pleasant memories for the most part. The most interesting point is the same company now owns these sites. As Carnival now owns most cruise lines. As Norwegian Cruise line is not Norwegian, etc.

I once worked for a medical supply/ambulance company in younger days. That company had no less than FOUR names. The reasoning was simple, eliminate competition. Call company #1 and obtain a rate for a product say $100. Call company #2 and inquire about same product. Phone answered often by same person with change in voice or answered by guy standing next to you, give price $250. Answer # 1 again and book sale. A concept readily applied to any sales arena. My point is that FLUFF is not unusual nor the only method of promoting sales. The old forum trick of talking to yourself is alive and well in many areas as well I am sure.

About The Mining Company which became About com, being anal in computer record keeping in some areas I am looking at a scan of my first check from General Internet Incorporated. It is dated 4/15/97 for training $100 ( want to see my utility bill from 1992 hahaha ) my personal pages on my cruises were started 1 or 2 years earlier. By coincidence I just signed my claim form for the settlement involving About com, formerly The Mining Company.

From in part

Class Action Lawsuit Against Primedia Inc About.com and Scott Kurnit - Levinson et al v Primedia et al

"July, 2010: The two sides have reached a settlement, and "Official Court Notice of Proposed Settlement of Class Action" was sent to class members by e-mail and postal mail on July 26. The proposed settlement of $5,750,000 covers "Guides who entered into a 1997 and/or 1999 contract with About but with whom the Lawsuit claims did not receive (1) proper compensation pursuant to those contracts or (2) the full wages they were required to be paid under state and/or federal laws."

Individual payments under the proposed settlement start at $750 for any "claiming Class Member" but can be considerably higher, depending on whether the claimant is entitled to unpaid revenue shares and/or was involved in the prosecution of the case. (According to the Official Court Notice, 1,141 Class Members are "owed revenue share amounts pursuant to the 1997 and/or 1999 contracts.")

Since my cruise site was in top 10 sites more often than not I will be interested to see how I make out on this. But as you can see my contract was revenue based which was fine until they started getting to involved in what I wrote. They also apparently forgot to divide some of that revenue. It was, I admit, great for the ego at the time, to be paid for doing what I enjoyed doing for free.

But being paid to review or comped by a cruise line is not necessary a bad thing. No writer/reviewer could be expected to pay their own way all the time to experience a product. It is the individual that decides whether that facet of the business will influence what hits the paper/web page. Readers are not un-intelliegent in their understanding of how such things work. They readily evaluate who is giving them real deal versus fluff. Fluff writers don't achieve loyal followings and get to enjoy a high level of success. Your name and Kuki's as two examples are excepted as credible by many. Readers know who is who.

I just read Kuki's report/review/blog /tomato/tomaaato live report on his Veendam sailing. The good and the bad were presented for my evaluation just as he saw it with a keen eye and the honest presentation of the good and bad points. No fluff there, just great reporting in my opinion and extremely useful to me formulating my own opinion for my soon to be sailing of her.

There is fluff as we have discussed but there is also horrible reporting of the industry by general media. Would that be non-fluff? The most obvious example is the noro-virus type stories presented for shock and overly exaggerated. Over reactions by media when a ship making a sharp navigation turn suddenly becomes the remake of the Poseidon Adventure. Cruise ship crime another generally unfair arena of media coverage. All of that for another discussion another day. But thankfully there are places such as cruisemates where you can get far better and specific information than you are going to get in the general media. As far as fluff, most of us know it when we see it and disregard it.

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Wow, what a fantastic subject! You guys have really given me thoughts to ponder, as well as insights about cruise reporting.
I guess that there is too much fluff in today's cruise reporting, at least it seems, by many of the "insiders". Yet, mainstream media mostly only reports about cruising in a negative, sensational vein; ie: "passenger falls off cruise ship", "crime at sea".

Yuor mention of Harry Basch & Shirley Slater reminded me of an old "Worldwide Cruises 1997" which I bought after our 1st cruise in 1996 on Celebrity's Meridian. What struck me most about the book was the straight forwardness of the reviews of the ships & the way they broke the reviews down to what type passenger they thought would enjoy each ship.

I subscribe to Cruise Critc & Cruisemates & enjoy both sites. While there is much more participation on Cruise Critic boards, I agree with George that much of what you have to wade through is replies that duplicate what has been said or go completely off topic. But I do enjoy it. Cruisemates has less traffic but forums like this one provide more substance.

I come here mostly for the boards but do enjoy Kuki's blog & really enjoy some of the provocative questions that you pose, Paul.
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Thanks Richsea...

I have to point out that the Fielding's Guide if 1994 & 95 was written by CruiseMates co-founder Anne Campbell. And she was the one who taught a lot of us a lot of thing about how to review a cruise ship in such a way that it is a fair review for the reader.

She said things like "no reviews based on press trips" for example, and "let a ship have its shake down period before you review it."

Thise things are mostly impossible because there are so many ships.

We DO try to treat cruisers like adults - not kids like you see at other cruise sites. We figure cruisers are mostly smart people who know what they are getting and what they want.

And we are not afraid to approach controversy here, either.

I am just now on a trip with CC editor to see the new Queen Elizabeth, and someone from the shup yard said "we moved the entrance of the queen's lounge from the edge to the middle of the room." and she piped up...

"That's the kind of stiff our readers are really interested in." I couldn't help laughing.
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"we moved the entrance of the queen's lounge from the edge to the middle of the room." and she piped up... "That's the kind of stiff our readers are really interested in."
Let's see...there is a word for that type of comment...obsequious? There are more appropriate descriptions, but then I wouldn't want to use slang or offensive language.

Yes indeed, the internet is overflowing with people asking about whether cruise ships have entrances in the middle of the public rooms, or along the edges.
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if there is a word that is the combination of "self-absorbed," "boring" and "pompous" I think that pretty much sums it up. Ah, here it is...

grandiloquent


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–adjective speaking or expressed in a lofty style, often to the point of being pompous or bombastic.
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