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Trip November 28th, 2010 04:20 PM

Who cares.... I guess I do....
 
This quote,taken from the NCL brochure about the newest ship,the Epic,
has been taken literally......:(

"Our only request? Please do exactly what you want to do whenever you want to do it."

The quote, not necessarily pertains to the dress code, but I think a large percentage of the cruisers on my cruise, took it literally, and it showed in the dress aboard the ship, at night:(

This is the first cruise I have taken, where it seemed for many, going to a show at night, meant dressing like you were running out to the corner store. Cut off shorts, sneakers and and hoodies, stood next to someone in nice evening apparel. The nicely dressed cruiser was the older cruiser. Each did their own thing, but, I have to say, the overall look at night was frenetic, and, unappealing to my eye.

Gotta be a generational thing, or just someone coming up the cruise ranks from earlier days, who thinks fine dining, means appropriate dressing.

So, I have sailed the Epic, tried freestyle, and, will pass.....I know, I know, I am probably in the minority,and I am just getting old:):rolleyes:

Donna November 28th, 2010 08:03 PM

I know exactly what you mean and feel the same...Seems more and more it's the anytime dining that people think is literally anything goes... I think the cruiselines need to re-think "dress code", or just do away with it?

Ron November 28th, 2010 09:48 PM

Donna, with all due respect, I think the cruise lines, or at least the majority , threw in the towel long ago regarding getting people to dress decently at dinner.

Mike M November 28th, 2010 09:59 PM

I am glad that cruise lines relaxed the dress code. Yes; you will get those who go too far down the "casual" line but I don't cruise to do a fashion show. I do think there should be a minimum dress code for the restaurants. i.e. no shorts or sleeveless t-shirts.

I didn't really see anyone that was poorly dressed on the cruise but, then again, I wasn't looking for them.

Take care,
Mike

Lakers Fan November 28th, 2010 10:26 PM

On our last HAL cruise on formal night there was a family of 8 .All of the adult males (18 and over) were dressed in overalls .

Trip November 28th, 2010 10:36 PM

They could be related to the man who wore jeans and a white tee shirt at our table several years ago.....

Moiraine November 29th, 2010 01:33 AM

I am very informal. Although I take formal clothes, it always works out that I skip formal nights in the dining room, although I might go to the show after in my pedal pushers and blouse. I know some people like the formal nights, but I wish they'd totally do away with them. It's not likely to happen anytime soon, so please no hating on me. :-D

HawkeyeFLA November 29th, 2010 03:45 AM

Well, I know its not a generational thing. I'm only 34, and I bring a suit for formal night. Its an upbringing thing, pure and simple. I'm sure I will get flack for saying this, but its true. How you are raised is reflected in how you are in society. When I cruise, I wear a nice pair of slacks and a button down (usually long sleeve) for dinner in the main dining room. And on formal night I will wear a coat and a tie. I am a firm believer in the idea of how you look/dress is a direct reflection in how you feel/are as a person. I live in Florida and I love my shorts in the summer. But I also know how to "dress to the nines" and when I look sharp, I feel sharp. Its just that simple.

Truck Cruiser November 29th, 2010 06:20 AM

It's your vacation, dress as you like. I know that I don't worry about pleasing anyone with the way I dress except the D/W. Isn't that what vacation is all about? letting your hair down and following your own rules for once?

happy sailing
Tim

blueliner November 29th, 2010 10:41 AM

I had 2 very different cruise experiences this year, and the dress of the passengers was exactly the reason. I am not a stuffy, elitist type person, but I do believe very much in dressing decently during dinner and in other cruise ship venues. During my RCI cruise to Europe, I was pleasantly surprised that a vast majority of the passengers maintained the dress code, and also that the staff enforced the dress code. I saw them turn away passengers that did not meet the dress code, and even told some they had to remove their hats while in the dining room. The passengers were dressed nicely for even the casual nights, I never saw t-shirts or hats or jeans as they were turned away at the door.

On my recent Carnival cruise to Mexico, the very opposite was true. The dress code was not enforced. I saw passengers come into the dining room wearing sleeveless tank top t-shirts, cut off shorts, baseball caps and so on. I even saw one man come in the dining room wearing a bathrobe with no shirt and just shorts underneath one day at lunch! In the buffet, I saw numerous people just wearing swim suits. Many times I saw men walking around with no shirt on inside the ship, I mean really, inside the promenade, the lounges and casino, put a shirt on! I was really disappointed. I thought the Carnival Spirit was a beautiful ship with a fantastic crew and staff, but it really cries out for a better clientele in my opinion. That reason alone will probably mean this was my last cruise on Carnival, which is really sad because I really loved the ship.

MarkNYC November 29th, 2010 11:13 AM

This is one of the reasons I travel with Cunard.

LisaK November 29th, 2010 11:26 AM

i agree with you Mike that there should at least be a minimum dress code requirement for the main dining rooms and specialty restaurants. No basball caps, no cut-off shorts, no tube tops unless covered, bermuda shorts and capris would be just fine. The cruise lines are probably going to have to spell out the dress requirements specifically so that there would be no question, yes this is allowed no that isn't.

I love to get all dressed up on my cruises, and i for one would not have a problem if the cruise lines set up one formal/fine dining night - it would be by reservation only- made at the time of booking your cruise

Paul Motter November 29th, 2010 12:23 PM

Cunard is probably the last and foremost bastion of formal cruise dress. I would not take a Cunard cruise without a tuxedo. You could get away with a dark suit but you will look out of place.

Now here is one thing. I live in Phoenix and because of the weather it is a very casual state. People have never worn suits to work gere as they do back east - it just doesn't make sense.

The same is true in Florida where it is always hot.

Cruises orginate from Florida nd most of the mainstream lines are based there. They tend to take on their local culture.

Cunard is still a British company even if its headquarters are in Miami - all of its management are british.

Yes, it is too bad for the people who like to dress up that you are not going to find many non-luxury cruise lines that insist on fornal dress, and some of the more lux lines were casual before the mainstream lines went that way (Windstar comes to mind).

Truth be told, I dress up because I represent CruiseMates when I cruise, but if I did not I would be more casual. I also skip formal nights regularly because I just don't feel like getting decked out.

I always thought the formal dress requirement was more of sa detriment to the success of cruising than a benefit. A cruise is a VACATION first and foremost - and so it should be expected that some people will dress down. You know some people wear a suit to work 50 weeks/year and they don't want to do that on vacation.

I also don't care for tattoos or mullets, but I can't stop other people from choosing to look the way they want. Times change and yeah, I guess I am just getting older.

blueliner November 29th, 2010 03:03 PM

I don't mind people relaxing and being a little less formal while on vacation, but does being on vacation mean we throw all decorum out the balcony door? I don't think long pants, sleeves and a collar are too much to ask for in the dining room. Nor is it too much to ask for wearing some kind of cover over your bathing suit in the buffet, or at least wearing a shirt of SOME kind when you are not on the pool deck, but down inside the ship. You don't have to dress up for formal night, I really don't care if you wear a suit or tux, but at least some sleeves and a collar!!!

Mike M November 29th, 2010 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by blueliner (Post 1331275)
I don't mind people relaxing and being a little less formal while on vacation, but does being on vacation mean we throw all decorum out the balcony door? I don't think long pants, sleeves and a collar are too much to ask for in the dining room. Nor is it too much to ask for wearing some kind of cover over your bathing suit in the buffet, or at least wearing a shirt of SOME kind when you are not on the pool deck, but down inside the ship. You don't have to dress up for formal night, I really don't care if you wear a suit or tux, but at least some sleeves and a collar!!!

I completely agree with you. I like casual dress and the definition you give is how I feel about casual.

The days of true formal are gone on most mainstream cruise lines but going too far to the casual side is also not the answer.

I was ready to find an alternative to cruising because of the formality and the regimentation. Luckily the cruise lines changed and made cruising once again enjoyable.

Take care,
Mike

Lakers Fan November 29th, 2010 04:55 PM

Cunard
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Motter (Post 1331254)
Cunard is probably the last and foremost bastion of formal cruise dress. I would not take a Cunard cruise without a tuxedo. You could get away with a dark suit but you will look out of place.

Now here is one thing. I live in Phoenix and because of the weather it is a very casual state. People have never worn suits to work gere as they do back east - it just doesn't make sense.

The same is true in Florida where it is always hot.

Cruises orginate from Florida nd most of the mainstream lines are based there. They tend to take on their local culture.

Cunard is still a British company even if its headquarters are in Miami - all of its management are british.

Yes, it is too bad for the people who like to dress up that you are not going to find many non-luxury cruise lines that insist on fornal dress, and some of the more lux lines were casual before the mainstream lines went that way (Windstar comes to mind).

Truth be told, I dress up because I represent CruiseMates when I cruise, but if I did not I would be more casual. I also skip formal nights regularly because I just don't feel like getting decked out.

I always thought the formal dress requirement was more of sa detriment to the success of cruising than a benefit. A cruise is a VACATION first and foremost - and so it should be expected that some people will dress down. You know some people wear a suit to work 50 weeks/year and they don't want to do that on vacation.

I also don't care for tattoos or mullets, but I can't stop other people from choosing to look the way they want. Times change and yeah, I guess I am just getting older.

In 1973 our first cruise was with Cunard . There were no formal nights .I did not wear a suit ,I did not pack a suit . It was what we now refer to as business casual .

Trip November 29th, 2010 06:20 PM

I have become used to seeing a more casual dress code, over the past several cruises. This was my first freestyle cruise. Admittedly, I was sa bit surprised....to be standing in line for the show, and seeing the hoodie and shorts along with people dressed for a night on the town. Does it detract from my having a nice evening, no....in general it's just the casualness of our lifetsyle in general, that is displayed on cruise ships, as it is everywhere now.....love it or hate it, it's a fact of life. I guess just seeing it so overwhelmingly casual, was a kick in the head:):rolleyes:

I am glad there are ships that cater to broad specrums of the population that cruises. If you cruise a ship that is not a good fit...there are lots of optiions ..a good thing.

As I said in my op, if you have a long cruise history, you have seen how it was, and how, it has changed..some love it, some don't, and, many don't care at all..

HawkeyeFLA November 30th, 2010 03:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Motter (Post 1331254)
Cunard is probably the last and foremost bastion of formal cruise dress. I would not take a Cunard cruise without a tuxedo. You could get away with a dark suit but you will look out of place.

Now here is one thing. I live in Phoenix and because of the weather it is a very casual state. People have never worn suits to work gere as they do back east - it just doesn't make sense.

The same is true in Florida where it is always hot.


Hmmm, I live in Florida. Lived here for the last 8 years. I own, and wear several suits and sports coats. I work with people every day that wear at least a jacket, if not a full on suit.

MarkNYC November 30th, 2010 09:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HawkeyeFLA (Post 1331372)
Hmmm, I live in Florida. Lived here for the last 8 years. I own, and wear several suits and sports coats. I work with people every day that wear at least a jacket, if not a full on suit.

I frequently travel to south Florida and have noticed that there are plenty of locals who know how to dress well.
The resistance to dressing well on appropriate occasions is part of the overall dumbing down of America.

LisaK November 30th, 2010 09:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blueliner (Post 1331275)
I don't mind people relaxing and being a little less formal while on vacation, but does being on vacation mean we throw all decorum out the balcony door? I don't think long pants, sleeves and a collar are too much to ask for in the dining room. Nor is it too much to ask for wearing some kind of cover over your bathing suit in the buffet, or at least wearing a shirt of SOME kind when you are not on the pool deck, but down inside the ship. You don't have to dress up for formal night, I really don't care if you wear a suit or tux, but at least some sleeves and a collar!!!

I agree with you. It takes just as much effort to put on a pair of pants and a polo/hawaiian casual type shirt as it does to put on a pair of shorts and a t-shirt, and for the ladies it is actually easier, cooler and more comfy imo to throw on a sun or sheath dress and a pair of sandals than to put on a pair of shorts and a top, whats the big deal, i guess i just don't get it

MarkNYC November 30th, 2010 10:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LisaK (Post 1331393)
I agree with you. It takes just as much effort to put on a pair of pants and a polo/hawaiian casual type shirt as it does to put on a pair of shorts and a t-shirt, and for the ladies it is actually easier, cooler and more comfy imo to throw on a sun or sheath dress and a pair of sandals than to put on a pair of shorts and a top, whats the big deal, i guess i just don't get it

There's nothing to get. It amazes me that people think that putting on a pair of shorts is easier than putting on a pair of pants. Or that throwing on a sports coat takes monumental effort. And putting on a tie? Why, it would be easier to run a marathon. And putting on all of those things will just ruin a vacation, won't it?
Well, we are a nation of obese people, so I guess these kinds of dressing activities would be a strain on many people...

HawkeyeFLA November 30th, 2010 12:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MarkNYC (Post 1331390)
I frequently travel to south Florida and have noticed that there are plenty of locals who know how to dress well.
The resistance to dressing well on appropriate occasions is part of the overall dumbing down of America.

Heh. South FL. Gotta love it down there. But the key here is that yes, it get hots hot, but its all about materials. The sports coat I wear most often is 100% cotton. PITA to keep wrinkle free at times, but jet black and very stylish in a nice casual, but not casual way.

Donna November 30th, 2010 08:00 PM

What I sometimes find it hard to understand is there are plenty of places to go for vacation where you can run around in cut offs, swim suits all day and never have to dress. When its spelled out what the cruiseline expects of its passengers and then not to follow them is another thing. If you don't want to dress the part, take a different kind of vacation where it doesn't matter...Sometimes, I'm not crazy about putting on a dress, but its really no big deal either...Plus, there is always the buffet if one doesn't want to put on some nicer clothes...Why walk into the dining room on a formal night in shorts??

Mike M November 30th, 2010 09:20 PM

I remember in 2009 when we went on a Med cruise on NCL. One day we got back from a long day on shore in Athens. It was cool weather (February) and I wore jeans on shore.

My wife and I were both tired and just wanted to eat and then go back to the cabin and crash. We didn't change clothes and went to the Italian restaurant on board. I have to admit I felt a little "strange" eating in jeans but it was perfectly within the dress guidelines. We weren't wearing torn or worn jeans but there was still that feeling of being out of place. I also have to admit that the feeling only lasted about five minutes. ;)

Take care,
Mike

HawkeyeFLA December 1st, 2010 01:09 AM

Watches
 
I was off work today. So I can wear whatever I want right? I had an appointment at the local community college to take a campus tour since I want to go back to school. I wore slacks (its still in the mid 80s at times in FL), a black undershirt and a dark blue short sleeve button down. There was no dress code stated for this experience, but that's how I felt. But dress aside ... as I was getting home something struck me. I walked in and walked over to my little table where I put my wallet, keys, work ID, and anything else I might have. I took my watch off and placed it there. Yes, a real watch. All metal watch. And that's not the only watch I own. I live in Florida so yes I do have days where I run around in shorts and a t-shirt. But I still have a watch on my arm. In fact, I feel down right naked if I go out for the day without one on. I'm not sure if there's a correlation ... but I do feel that the concept of going out looking nice and going out with a watch can be related.

Mike M December 1st, 2010 01:24 AM

I feel naked without a watch. I wear one every day no matter if I'm in a suit or sweat pants and sweatshirt. I also own a number of different watches.

Take care,
Mike

HawkeyeFLA December 1st, 2010 04:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike M (Post 1331575)
I feel naked without a watch. I wear one every day no matter if I'm in a suit or sweat pants and sweatshirt. I also own a number of different watches.

Take care,
Mike

I wish I could say I owned "a number of different watched" But I own 3. My Skagen I wear most any time, then a more rugged watch that I bought at Disney. Mostly plastic with a mixed leather canvas band, which is my casual watch. But I also own a nice wind up pocket watch. I used to wear a vest a lot working at Disney, so I figured why not. But yeah, I don't walk out the door without a watch rarely. Once in a blue moon I can't find the more casual one, and I don't want to risk the Skagen, and then I feel very naked as well.

Donna December 1st, 2010 10:53 AM

I know what you mean about not wearing a watch. I have one for work and one for when not working...works for me.

LisaK December 1st, 2010 10:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Donna (Post 1331536)
What I sometimes find it hard to understand is there are plenty of places to go for vacation where you can run around in cut offs, swim suits all day and never have to dress. When its spelled out what the cruiseline expects of its passengers and then not to follow them is another thing. If you don't want to dress the part, take a different kind of vacation where it doesn't matter...Sometimes, I'm not crazy about putting on a dress, but its really no big deal either...Plus, there is always the buffet if one doesn't want to put on some nicer clothes...Why walk into the dining room on a formal night in shorts??

i am with you on this one Donna. It would not even occur to me to even think about going to the dining room on FORMAL night in anything less than a cocktail dress. If i really didn't feel like getting dressed up(yeah like that would happen lol) i would go to the buffet or to anyone of the many bistros available on most cruises

Trip December 1st, 2010 11:02 AM

Gen X,and younger, use their phones as watches, in many cases....I need a watch,and back in the early 90's when fashion watches first became popular...I went to a trade show,and bought some to sell., so I could have alot!...I called my company, Time and Again:) Bruce collects watches,and has some whoppa ones!


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