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Old December 20th, 2010, 10:46 AM
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A judge has barred a known sexual predator from cruising.

Judge Bars Alleged Sexual Predator From Cruise : Cruise Law News

On the surface it seems a no brainer. But should they also be barred from all-inclusives, Disneyland, etc?
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Child predators should be banned from anything marketed as "Family" or "Child" friendly or targets either group as a customer demographic.

I am somewhat conflicted about those with a "predator" label who were...say...18 and in a relationship with a 16 year old and convicted of a statutory offense. I don't believe them to necessarily be predators in the real sense of the word.
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Perhaps there is a way this could happen, but right now I see stress and additional security costs on the cruise line.
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I am completely biased on this. Child molestation is the most heinous crime there is. This type of person has a mental disorder that cannot be cured and is a cancer on society and like any cancer it needs to removed.

I know there are "civil rights" involved here and it seems harsh but I feel that if you molest a child you lose those rights.

I believe that any adult who has sexual contact with a child should be put in prison, or worse, for a very long time. If you prey on a child then you pay the price. Even if that price includes staying away from a cruise or other family oriented recreational areas.

There has to be age parameters put on the "sexual predator" connotation. A 19 year old who has consensual relations with a 17 year old is completely different than a 36 year old having relations with a 7 year old.

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How many of these "objectionables" travel on the Staten Island ferry...or any ferry for that matter?

There is no way of knowing if you are riding any mode of transportation with a criminal. Unless we want to bring back the red "A" (or is it a red "M" in this case) is to be worn by them as part of their conviction conditions.

Instances where they were specificly caught engaging in the conduct on a vessel such as a cruise ship would be cause to ban them from sailing again IMO.
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I think the question shouldn't necessarily be whether or not he is allowed to cruise but-- just what the hell is he doing out of jail to even think about a going on a cruise?!!

How many kids would still be alive today if these so called " predators " were locked up for life or have their neck stretched at the end of a rope?
A man that old trying to arrange a sexual encounter with a 13 year old girl?
A 13 year old girl is a child-- sadly these maniacs do make contact many times and get away with it and in many cases the child ends up harmed or worse.
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Question Predators on a cruise?

Well, I agree with the above that they should simply be locked up for life, and not allowed out anyplace.

BUT -- if they are legally released and allowed to visit the Mall, to go to the movies, to go to a sporting event, to go to church, and simply to walk the streets freely -- what is different about a cruise?

Certainly it would be unreasonable to expect the cruise lines to do checks and enforce a rule. If the court order in a particular case has provisions, it is up to the court or the probation officer to enforce them.

Also, note that in the particular case cited above the order was that the offender could not leave the country.

Here is a better question ... should convicted drug dealers be allowed to go on a cruise???
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If that person has paid his or her debt to society then they should have all their rights as citizens returned to them. Including being able to cruise.
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so much depends upon the conditions of his release, at the least i think he should have to register with the cruise line
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Question What about drunk drivers

Well, now, here is another question for you:

Drunk drivers are actually far more prevalent, and in a wholesale fashion do much more damage to society. Is someone who as a young person improperly touched another young person more heinous or dangerous than somebody who killed a mother, father, grandmother and three children by crashing into their van while drunk?

Clearly they have demonstrated that they are not capable of drinking responsibility and that they are dangerous when they drink.

Putting them on a cruise where alcohol is readily available obviously presents a direct danger to their fellow passengers that they will make trouble.

So, should convicted drunk drivers be allowed to cruise?????
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Merced Mike - that is a different question.
Drunk drivers should not be ship's captains.
Many who are convicted of drunk driving are not belligerent or violent and they won't be driving while on board. Again a comparison can be made between a one time thing and a habitual offender.
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I agree RD, but I can't help but wonder if Mike is trying to emphasize that what we find culturally revolting and ethically wrong isn't necessarily as damaging as happy hour. Smoking probably has just as culturally damaging effects if not worse than alcohol. With that acknowledged, cruising the seven seas is much different from cruising Main Street. Your rights end where my child's right begin.
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Well, now, here is another question for you:

Drunk drivers are actually far more prevalent, and in a wholesale fashion do much more damage to society. Is someone who as a young person improperly touched another young person more heinous or dangerous than somebody who killed a mother, father, grandmother and three children by crashing into their van while drunk?

Clearly they have demonstrated that they are not capable of drinking responsibility and that they are dangerous when they drink.

Putting them on a cruise where alcohol is readily available obviously presents a direct danger to their fellow passengers that they will make trouble.

So, should convicted drunk drivers be allowed to cruise?????
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well, there was that incident a couple of weeks back where that drunk on Holland America snuck into a restricted area and tried to lower the anchor, while the ship was moving.

But, I think it is a very trick question. What about offenders with a history of violent crimes?

There's lots of these types of things, where you never know... they could be living right next to you on land too.
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I agree RD, but I can't help but wonder if Mike is trying to emphasize that what we find culturally revolting and ethically wrong isn't necessarily as damaging as happy hour. Smoking probably has just as culturally damaging effects if not worse than alcohol. With that acknowledged, cruising the seven seas is much different from cruising Main Street. Your rights end where my child's right begin.
Aha, a perceptive and wise individual!

Exactly my point. People get all upset over some things that are indeed heinous and disgusting, even if not culturally extremely widespread. Yet excessive drinking and public drunkeness are throughout our culture and are tolerated and even smiled at, despite the immense cost to our society and huge danger to other people they pose.

The notion of banning pervs from cruise ships, despite the difficulty of putting it into effect, gets big support. The idea of banning dangerous drunks from cruising is something nobody wants to consider.

Here's a toast to the bar business onboard!
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Merced Mike - that is a different question.
Drunk drivers should not be ship's captains.
Many who are convicted of drunk driving are not belligerent or violent and they won't be driving while on board. Again a comparison can be made between a one time thing and a habitual offender.
Interesting.

A one time sexual offender is made to register for the rest of his life and prohibited from living in certain areas.

A one time drunk driver usually pays a fine, keeps his license, and gets back in his car and points it at me!

HMMMMMMM.
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Interesting.

A one time sexual offender is made to register for the rest of his life and prohibited from living in certain areas.

A one time drunk driver usually pays a fine, keeps his license, and gets back in his car and points it at me!

HMMMMMMM.
A drunk provides profit to the cruise line (assuming they aren't rum runners), the risk is easier mitigated and few of the long term societal ills affect the cruise line. A sexual predator is a PR nightmare due to it's repugnancy. Few business are interested in fixing societal ills. Patrons are profit generators. Certain groups bring certain risks.
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A drunk provides profit to the cruise line (assuming they aren't rum runners), the risk is easier mitigated and few of the long term societal ills affect the cruise line. A sexual predator is a PR nightmare due to it's repugnancy. Few business are interested in fixing societal ills. Patrons are profit generators. Certain groups bring certain risks.
Aha! Now, of course, we have the definitive answer.

The question is not, "Should sexual predators be allowed to cruise?" The question is, "Is it profitable to allow sexual predators to cruise?"
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I agree they should not be on the ship, but policing that would be difficult at best. Some have never been caught. The next best prevenative would be for the parents to know where their children are and what they are doing instead of expecting the cruise line to take on that responsibility.

As for drunk driving...that is a choice. Anyone can say no to driving after drinking. I wish the man that killed my only sister would have.
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...The next best prevenative would be for the parents to know where their children are and what they are doing instead of expecting the cruise line to take on that responsibility...
BINGO! A Gold Star for that answer!
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