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Old December 17th, 2012, 06:36 PM
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Ouch! he pulls no punches does he?
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Even independent travel guru Rick Steves has had to admit that cruises aren't as bad as he has always painted them.
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If the author was on a cruise he would be one of those snobs Paul covered in another thread. I'm kind of hoping the author contracts norovirus at some hotel he uses on his next 'real' holiday.
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Old December 17th, 2012, 07:52 PM
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You know - if the only cruise experience I ever had in my life was Carnival or NCL going to Jamaica and a private island I might feel the same way. But it shows stupidity by a reporter to trash an entire form of travel based on a one-dimensional set of biases.

You can cruise to the Greek Isles, or the Caribbean or Alaska, and there is no better way to visit a number of destinations with just the right amount of time in each place.

I recall when Chris Elliot used to have a business travel specialist who wrote something similar about cruises. He was so ganged up upon by travel agents and regular cruise enthusiasts that he quit his writing job and eventually just dropped out of sight.

As I recall they found him years later working in a small town fast food restaurant, and never writing again. And yes, this is a true story.
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I really wonder if this guy ever took a cruise?? Not one positive on taking a cruise, come on???
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Well, he described me perfectly when he said :
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a quick visual check in Venice, St Vincent or Vanuatu will confirm that most passengers conform to the grey-haired, buffet-savaging stereotype
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And on every ship, there will a large proportion of cruise bores. They are the people who have no conversation other than listing the cruises they've been on, and the places they have been to as a result. They can offer no insight into those places beyond saying what a lovely time they had.
... which is pure RUBBISH!

The bores are present, but much more often the rarity/exception than the rule. Especially when you get into the "grey-haired buffet savaging" folks. They're the most likely to have done alot more "adventure traveling" when they were younger, and are often the most traveled interesting folks you could want to meet.

Much moreso than the egotistical writer who takes iotas of truth and stretches them to fit his story line, and pretend he's "controversial".

I recommend he write like I do... Don't even begin with an iota of truth, and just write the rubbish that falls out of your head and claim it's true. Saying it in CAPS makes it especially true.
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The reporter definitely hated cruise ships .
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The man is a travel elitest and is just as guilty of snobbery as the boorish cruise passenger. Backpacking through Europe or South America is fine and give one the sense of being a "real" traveller but real travellers exist on cruises and tourists exist in the Rich Steves and Parillo tours world.

The "disease" comments show ignorance and purely a prejudicial observation.

They'll give anyone a writing job.

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"With a few honourable exceptions, cruising is for the lazy and the culturally disinterested; people perhaps better suited to two weeks in a beach resort that have convinced themselves they're doing something far more worthy and adventurous."

Really??? Some of the nicest, neatest, fittest, and most intelligent people I have ever met have been on cruises with us.

We also have been fortunate enough never to have been on a cruise ship when the noro virus has broken out.

This guy must of taken a cruise and had to share the table with the "Cruiser from hell"
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You know, I understand what the guy is saying. On my recent river cruise I met a couple who had been in Europe for three weeks already... and they included the river cruise in it.

But when I asked the gentleman where he had gone in Italy he said "We spent three days in Venice (good), and then two days in Murano (in addition to Venice?) and then a day in Burano (In addition to Venice and Murano?) and two days on the Lido...

That is the opposite. It's overkill. The far too often overlooked beauty of a cruise is the immense amount of travel you accomplish in a small amount of time. How else would you be able see and enjoy 12 different spectacular destinations between Barcelona and Istanbul in two weeks?

Half of the waking hours that "travelers" spend seeing a place like Europe is sitting in a bus or train and looking out a window. That isn't that great. It's arguably more cultural than seeing a showroom production show or gambling, but it isn't any more fun or relaxing.

You end up tired out half the time from traveling, you pack and unpack endlessly, you waste many valuable "travel" hours seeking out taxis or trains to reach your hotel.

So, for seeing Europe in two weeks, for example, I think cruises are pretty good. Maybe you will see more on a bus tour, but you will not be as comfortable and you won't see that much more.

River cruises have all but replaced bus tours because of the drudgery of packing & unpacking, waiting for rest stops, uncertain meals and spotty hotels, etc.

So - the other option is to go someplace and spend a week there and "really see it?" That is fine if you really want to spend a week someplace, but how many places do you want to do that?

1. Northern Italy
2. France (yes, but my river boat trip on the Seine was very fulfilling)

I think you can spend four or five days in St Petersburg, and Moscow, but my riverboat trip between the two cities showed me far more than you would ever see by flying to those two cities and staying in them without seeing what lies between.

As for other places - what if you really want to "see" the Caribbean? Does that mean spending a week in St Thomas? Not for me. I would be bored in three days. I would much rather see five different islands in a week.

The whole part he is forgetting is the convenience factor of cruising - yes, you spend 1/2 your time on a "boat" in a somewhat faux environment; but what does that replace on a trip taken by "travelers?"

It replaces the train and bus trips, the taxis and hotels, the gouging European restaurants. It gives you guides instead of guidebooks and it gets you places relaxed and rejuvenated every day.

(by the way, have you traveled by train in Europe lately? It is just a step above the PATH trains between New York and New Jersey).

As far as who you meet. The guy I met said "the locals were so much more impressed when we said we were here for a two weeks instead of two days!"

Good - but does impressing the locals make your trip better? And how impressed do you think they really were?
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Oh I really dislike this man. His pompous remarks like "killer onboard" & giant molbile sickbag, are fighting words for eveybody who enjoys cruising. Dave is right, this guy is a travel eletist. His sweeping comments of the cruising industry are not factual, in my belief.
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I had to laugh when I read Paul's comments. I think David overdidit, but doesn't Paul realize it is David's job to keep coming up with articles to write no matter how controversial even if David believes what he is writting or not? Paul does the same with his writing.

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OFC...

I really have to dispute what you say about me. There was a time when I thought it was good to try to attract attention with my articles, and would say things that were controversial but they were still true.

But I don't "make things up". I try really hard to make sure everything I write can be verified and backed up. And furthermore, I no longer look for controversial things to write.

The only thing I try to do is to find cruise topics that no one else is writing about - and that is very hard believe me - or at least to cover the topics that have been covered with some additional piece of information or perspective no one else has heard about.
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I really have to dispute what you say about me. There was a time when I thought it was good to try to attract attention with my articles, and would say things that were controversial but they were still true.

But I don't "make things up". I try really hard to make sure everything I write can be verified and backed up. And furthermore, I no longer look for controversial things to write.

The only thing I try to do is to find cruise topics that no one else is writing about - and that is very hard believe me - or at least to cover the topics that have been covered with some additional piece of information or perspective no one else has heard about.
Paul,
I didn't mean to imply you did not tell the truth in anything you wrote. I have never found an article you authored that was not accurate and very informative for even the most experienced cruisers.

I was referring to your taking an unpopular position only for continuing a topic. Glad to read you will no longer be doing that.

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