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Old May 4th, 2014, 05:01 PM
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The NCL Breakaway apparently had a propulsion problem with a side thruster and needed assistance from a tug. They were about 2 hours late and according to the story, many people were upset.

Here's the article; Norwegian cruise ship tugged to pier after getting stuck in Hudson River; next trip to start hours later - NY Daily News

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Are there more breakdowns and mechanical issues than in past years or just better media coverage?
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Since everyone aboard was safe, I don't understand why people were so upset.


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From what I just read on my twitter feed, the Breakaway is close to singling up all lines, casting off, and getting underway.
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IT is very possible many people missed their flights home, yea, that would make me upset too....It is always sad when a great cruise is over, but once it is, I just want to be home and now worry about long travel...
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Stuff happens. That's why I tell people don't plan so you have to be in a great big hurry to get to the airport because there can be delayed for any number of reasons. Then again, this is why it's so important to get the travel insurance.

But seriously - 2 hours and they're freaking out? Nobody to blame but themselves, however I'm sure they'll be demanding all sorts of compensation from the cruise line.

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People will try every angle to get some sort of compensation. However they need to read the fine print on their cruise ticket. Which is about three pages long. Somewhere in those pages I bet it talks about delays. So they won't have a leg to stand on.
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however I'm sure they'll be demanding all sorts of compensation from the cruise line.
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Oh for sure! Some will want the entire cruise fare and their onboard charges refunded.

I was on the Grandeur Of The Seas in 2009, out of Baltimore. I woke up on debarkation morning and felt something wasn't right. I looked out of our balcony window and we were still in open waters and going as fast as we could. Not even close to Baltimore. The Captain eventually came on the PA and said we had had engine issues overnight are would not be arriving on time. We were about 2 hours late. Missed our flight, got booked on another one, and then that new flight got canceled. Not Royal Caribbean's problem in my book. Never felt they owed us anything. Delta got us home eventually.
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According to reports from people who were actually on this cruise and reporting live from the ship, the Captain announced an issue with the port side azipod, which I guess assists in manuevering the ship in tight quarters. Informational announcements were made to the passengers throughout, including the estimated docking time.

They sat in the river waiting for either a tide or current change and then docked on their own, no assistance needed by the tugs which were standing by, this according to someone on board. I would more confidently take their word for it rather than some NYC tabloid who is looking for headlines. The term "Stuck in the River" gave me a chuckle. I guess our winter must have gotten to me. All I could envision was a ship in a snow bank!

As soon as they announced that docking was completed and they would begin the process of getting the ship cleared for disembarkation, many people swarmed the hallways immediately rather than wait for the announcement that disembarkation could begin. Everyone has to be first in line , and many of them probably lived within a half day's drive anyway. There was then total gridlock in some areas with passengers stuck in the halls and unable to move. And then of course someone complained that this was a safety issue, which it is, but this would never have occurred if people had remained in their cabins, As Instructed, until the word was given to leave. And of course the lady who complained was probably one of the ones who disregarded instructions and helped to create the problem!

So what for most would have been a minor inconvenience was turned into a very uncomfortable situation for some. Seems like this was handled very professionally by the crew with an abundance of caution, the only problem was the "human nature" of some of the passengers.
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Actually - there are not vary many ships that can dock in Manhattan WITHOUT the aid of tugboats. The current of the Hudson River going past Pier 88 is 8 to 10 knots and very consistent. When attempting to guide a ship, with precision, into a Manhattan pier the tugboat are there to make sure the ship is lined up accurately and to hold it against the current.

You can imagine what would happen if a ship was halfway into the pier and suddenly found out it didn't have enough power at either end to line it up to go straight in. You could have a lot of damage in a very short period of time.

This is one of the Primary reasons the Cunard ships, including Queen Mary 2, use the Brooklyn piers, and why Royal Caribbean uses the New Jersey Piers (which are way downstream and out of the main flow of the river).
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Actually - there are not vary many ships that can dock in Manhattan WITHOUT the aid of tugboats. The current of the Hudson River going past Pier 88 is 8 to 10 knots and very consistent. When attempting to guide a ship, with precision, into a Manhattan pier the tugboat are there to make sure the ship is lined up accurately and to hold it against the current.

You can imagine what would happen if a ship was halfway into the pier and suddenly found out it didn't have enough power at either end to line it up to go straight in. You could have a lot of damage in a very short period of time.

This is one of the Primary reasons the Cunard ships, including Queen Mary 2, use the Brooklyn piers, and why Royal Caribbean uses the New Jersey Piers (which are way downstream and out of the main flow of the river).
The only reason I commented on the tug/docking issue is that the title of this thread is "Breakaway Tugged Into Port", perhaps giving some the impression that it was literally towed into the dock, which doesn't seem to be the situation at all. And apparently, based on your comments, it would be standard procedure for tugs to be present for each and every docking in any case. The only difference I can see in this docking is that it was delayed due to an azipod issue and a wait for a change in water conditions. I won't quibble over whether or not the tug actually assisted or only stood by, as I am not an expert on how these things are normally handled. I have watched many from the deck, but we always appeared to get into position under our own steam, rather than being pushed, which to me would be even more dangerous and difficult to control.

Not clear whether or not the azipod problem was repaired. There are many who will be watching the port cams in Bermuda when she comes into port to report on any issues.

Not to go on and on, but these port cams can be quite interesting, as they were about a week ago when the Gem had to return to NYC only a few hours after departing due to a champagne cork to the eye of a passenger. The plan was for the patient to be transferred from the river itself via boat, either the NYPD, or NYFD. Those two institutions got into a p***ing contest while the ship sat in the river currents for a couple hours, having to keep manuevering to prevent drifting into a large tanker and ticking off the captain and ( presumably ) the pilot. The whole thing displayed with both video and audio from all three vessels. At one point someone, seemingly from the ship, and with a heavy New York accent called them "a bunch of clowns". My guess is it was the pilot, but who knows. Anyway, very entertaining and I am sure it is on u tube if anyone is interested.
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You should know by now not to trust any of these news sources. First, they never get the whole story and they never get the information correct. Then they turn it around and put their own made-up information in it while giving it a negative spin on the story. I've read about a dozen of them and all of them seem to have a different story. Some say they were 'tugged' in, others don't. Some say it was an azipod problem, others say a thruster problem (they are distinctively different systems), while others simply say it was a propulsion problem. An industry source, Travel Pulse, said they were anchored in the Hudson for 3 hours and then had to be towed. But it gets me listening to the passengers - the news people, like they always do, only interview those with complaints!

One story I read had an interesting angle; they were blaming the passengers for creating the problems with disembarking saying no one was listening to the announcements and everyone was trying to exit at the same time causing massive roadblocks for the people trying to get off the ship in order to get to their flights. Fights broke out, security had to be called, lots of screaming - in other words a typical day in NYC!

I've been on several cruises out of NY and the majority of passengers are driving. Had those passengers obeyed the instructions and waited for their time to disembark, it sounds like it would have been a much easier time for everyone. But everyone is always in too big of a hurry and often they feel the instructions don't pertain to them.

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Default Whale Stuck to Bow of Breakaway!

In an interesting side note, someone apparently took pictures of a whale impaled on the nose of the Breakaway on Sunday. The remains of a 30 ft Sei Whale was towed by NYPD Harbor Patrol and it was retrieved by the US Army Corp of Engineers on Monday am. The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Admin. will do a necropsy to determine cause of death.

Some are speculating that this is the cause of Breakaways problems on Sunday, due to it possibly being stuck in the rudders, but unless I see a quote from the Captain to that effect, I'm not buying it.

And I agree with you about the passengers, NCL has some of the easiest disembarkments ever. No reason why this one should turn into a circus except for the human factor.
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If there's going to be a problem on one of my cruises I hope it's near the end of the cruise. Don't care if I'm late getting home. Unless of course I can get stuck at a port in the Caribbean! Stuck in St. Somewhere ! Sounds like a Jimmy Buffett song!
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Forgot to mention a friend of mine was waiting for ship to arrive to get married onboard! Their honeymoon got a late start.
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Of course everybody tried to disembark at once. They were doing things freestyle.
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