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Old June 15th, 2015, 07:38 PM
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Apparently changes to the laws now make this type of cruise illegal. Carnival and NCL are canceling cruises in 2016 to be compliant. I'm wondering since they don't go anywhere why they don't just stay in the 10mile zone, perhaps the loss of gambling would make this unprofitable?

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The problem is with the D-1 visas most crew hold, which limit how long they can stay in the U.S. without going to another country. CBP considers a cruise to nowhere to never have left the U.S., even if it goes into international waters, because the crew will never have entered another country, so at least on paper they are still deemed to be in the U.S.

Royal Caribbean is supposedly following through on their 3-night cruise to nowhere on Anthem for next March by making a dash to Halifax with nobody leaving the ship, but it will count for crew immigration purposes, and then they will rush back to Bayonne. It's 600 miles each way, so the Anthem will have to run at full speed both ways and I expect to see the arrival time pushed back, and perhaps the departure time moved forward.
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Old June 15th, 2015, 10:29 PM
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That's not a new issue if correct. I can see them not being able to have a ship just doing cruise to no where, but why not alternate? Cruise to no where, then 3 Day to bahamas, then cruise to no where, etc.
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Port Canaveral's first ship was the Big Red Boat which seemed to specialize in cruises to nowhere. It was pretty much considered a gambling ship. Though some of my friends sailed her and just enjoyed the pool and buffets without gambling, but I doubt the ship would have been able to sail without her casino.
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No, it's not a new issue. They have been issuing waivers all these years for virtually every CTN undertaken by the major lines. But they are stopping the waiver issuance, and it appears to have something to do with a lawsuit between a gambling cruise company (Bimini Superfast Cruises) and CBP. CBP denied them permission to run their cruises for the same reasons they are now using for the big cruise lines, and the judge ruled in CBP's favor. So now CBP has to be consistent, which means nobody gets to do a CTN.
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