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Old February 7th, 2003, 06:52 PM
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Has anyone heard about the Rape on the Legend Thursday, Feb 6th? A 28 year old was attacked by an employee while sleeping in her cabin. He ha used his master key and entered her room around 5:0 am, and raped her. This certainly is upsetting. Is this a common thing on the Carnival Ships? I will be sailing on this ship, and want to protect myself. I can't bring a weapon so what should I do?
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Use the chain lock or bar on the door.

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How come no name has no name???
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Gee.. the "rape" happened yesterday and our anonoymous no name has all the details on how it happened already.. and they're asking for our advice??

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Something is fishy here. Agree with Kuki, ... and they want advice??
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Checked around to be sure.. found out this IS a true story. Happened on Carnival Legend. Cabin steward was arrested.

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I am in south Florida, and it was on the news today.
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just haven't thought of a "catchy" cruise name yet.
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Even thought this story has been confirmed, doesn't it strike you as odd somehow? I can't even imagine someone so stupid to perform a rape onboard a cruise ship. Just where would the steward go to hide? I guess it just goes to show that most criminals are really dumb.

I hope the young lady will be ok.

Just goes to show you have to be safe and careful no matter where you are. I probably would have never imagined something like this happening.

Since I"m going on my first cruise in July, are there any crimes that are fairly common? Pickpockets, theft, etc.

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It seems some people didn't believe me. Sorry it was thought that I made this story up. Here is the news article from the local paper.

Carnival Cruise line employee jailed on shipboard rape charge
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February 7, 2003, 3:41 PM EST

FORT LAUDERDALE -- A Carnival Cruise Line employee remained in jail on Friday, held without bond on charges he raped a passenger aboard the Legend as it neared Port Everglades early Thursday morning.

Broward Sheriff’s Office spokeswoman Veda Coleman-Wright said the 28-year-old female victim was asleep around 5 a.m. Thursday when the employee, Made Wirawan, 24, used a master key to enter her cabin.

Once inside, the suspect raped the woman as the ship, around seven miles out at sea, approached the port. The Legend was returning from an eight-day Caribbean cruise.

The victim reported the incident to Carnival’s onboard security personnel. After identifying Wirawan, a native of Indonesia, security guards detained him until the ship was docked and BSO responded, Coleman-Wright said.

The woman, who lives out-of-state, was transported to the Sexual Assault Treatment Center in Fort Lauderdale for tests.

Wirawan, meanwhile, was arrested and booked at the main jail in Fort Lauderdale on charges of sexual battery and burglary with assault or battery. He was also detained on an immigration hold.

Jennifer de la Cruz, a spokeswoman for the Miami-based cruise line, did not know what Wirawan did aboard the ship but confirmed he was an employee. She would offer no other comment about the case.
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You should always keep the chain or bar fastened on the door when you're in the room. Also, keep valuables in the room safe whenever you're out of the room.

This is not common, but it does occur.

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Just take normal precautions on board and in port. For example, don't hang your pocketbook over the back of your chair, particularly in port. Don't flash a lot of big jewelry or, for that matter, a lot of skin. It goes without saying that large amounts of cash should not be displayed -- except in the casino where you are probably going to lose it anyway.

Interesting sidelight. I learned, when I hit a big slot machine jackpot on a cruise ship once, that the bells and whistles do NOT go off. According to a Sr. VP for one of the cruise lines in the gaming area, they do not want to attract attention to people who have a big wad of new cash. Who knows who might be watching and stalking?

I am very sorry for the young woman. It must have been a terrifying experience. I hope it won't have life-long effects upon her.
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Hi No Name. You asked for advise. I have cruised on 16 cruises.
Here is my advise: First of all, tell your cabin steward to keep an eye on you for safety reasons. They will keep an eye on you and your things. Whenever they bring you something extra or do something extra for you always give them a tip. I give them $5. if they bring me extra blankets, towels, etc. once in a while. When I get room service I also give them a small tip of $1 or 2 dollars if it is during the day. I never bother them for late night service because they have to get up from their beds to bring you your snack. Even if it is the kitchen help doing it.

I bought a metal guard that you slide under the door or on the side of the door to lock it even more. I bought it from a lock smith store. You can also use them for hotel doors.

I also like to put a chair under the door nob to help lock it too. You can also pile up a booby trap to make a lot of noise if someone tries to open the door.

Don't be too friendly with strange men or men you are not interested in. They say that some women who get raped "anywhere" is because the rapist said she was too friendly and it made her an easy mark. I walk around with my head high up like I can take care of myself. If I see a man looking at me and I don't like him, I give him a cold stare.

I believe in Angels and I ask God and my angels to take care of me at night. I bless myself with holy water at night before going to sleep. I also bless my bed with holy water.
It gives me psychological comfort.

TO; DALE, You asked about pickpockets. This is what I do. I don't wear lots of fancy jewelry. I take mostly fake jewelry to wear on the ship. I take it all off when I am in ports.
I have to tell you that MEXICO is not safe. The police will not take your side against a pickpocket because the pickpocket is allowed by the police to do it because at the end of the day they will give part of their take to a dirty cop. THIS IS A FACT. I am Mexican-American and it makes me sad with all the crimes being committed against tourists. Stay away from Carlos & Charlies, Senor Frogs and places like that because if you get into a hassell the police will not take your side.
I also wear a money belt under my clothes. I only take enough money to spend in ports.
Don't let your TEENS including your 20 year old adult children to take off on their own.
They may be followed by strangers or Mexican security to charge them with some crime.
I think it is really strange that Mexico doesn't care about protecting tourists.
I haven't been to the Carribean lately but have you all noticed that St. Croix is not one of the ships ports because of the high crime rate against tourists.
It may cost you more money to book a tour with the cruiseline but you will be safer with the tour. Taxi cab drivers do lie that it won't take long to take you somewhere and then you will miss going back on the ship. I have caught them with their lies. They think I don't know the ports. I have been to mostly all the ports in Mexico and the Carribean.
With a serious problem that our country is having presently with the talk of a big war, I am planning to play it safe and only book cruises that leave usa and return back to usa.
I don't want to get stuck in Mexico or Canada if they decide to close the borders at any time soon. I think it is okay to leave from a Florida port and return to Florida. Also a Calif.
or Seattle port and return back. These are shaky times right now. It is better to play it safe.
If some of you have already booked with Carnival don't be afraid to take your cruise because crimes can happen anywhere at any time. Just think like a cop and look around you and think like a cop. Even innocent looking small childred can steal your stuff while you are having fun at the beach in a foreign port. That almost happened to us recently in Puerto Vayarta. SO, MY advise is to keep on cruising and have fun.
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Would holy water work on video poker machines?

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I've got this picture in my mind of you carrying a five gallon pale of water into the casino!

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Hi No Name -- I am fairly new to this site, only reading other messages. I had to responde to your message though. I was disturbed that some of the responses were directed negatively towards you, as if you were making the up the story. I don't know if I want to ask any questions, for fear someone may not like what I am asking, and give ME a negative answer. Thanks for posting the newspaper article to set everything straight. I believe you were only posting your concerns, and informing others of what happene. P.S. By the looks of other names, you don't need a fancy name to sign on. Thanks for the information
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Hi No Name -- I am fairly new to this site, only reading other messages. I had to responde to your message though. I was disturbed that some of the responses were directed negatively towards you

There is a certain amount of skepticism on the Internet simply because there are people who have strange agendas... and on occassion starting rumors is one of the "games".

The way No name's post was structured.. first.. anonymously with no e mail address.. and then asking if anyone had heard ????....... led to the questions of the validity.

Had she/he stated.. I just heard on our local news here in Florida..... ...., anyone heard about this? What can I do to my protect myself?...... he/she would not likely have been questioned.

Unfortunately it was true, that there was some cabin steward stupid enough to try something like this, and he's already been arrested and jailed. Had to be a sick person to think that wouldnt be his fate.

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Cruise Ready...Don't worry about negative posts....you speak your mind .

Thomas..whatever it takes my friend <G>. Maybe I will sprinkle my lucky hat with it!

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Rick,
You really should do better research. Gambling is a sin. Therefore, you need Whiskey for the gambling machines.
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Has anyone considered the fact that the young lady led the cruise employee on?

Makes no sense as to why an Indonesian or anyone from a poor country would risk losing, what is to them, an excellent paying job.

I think there is more to this story than meets the eye.
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Rape has nothing to do with sex. It has to do with anger and frustrations that are taken out by hurting an innocent woman. It seems to me that some people want to blame the victim. By the way, it has been documented that Carnival has a long list of crimes being committed against women. Through the years I have read the news of these crimes.
There used to be a website that had a long list of crimes by Carnival employees.

Yes, some women can yell rape when the man is innocent. But when a woman is left all battered with black eyes and bruises all over her body, I don't consider that she just changed her mind.

I don't plan to answer anyone back on this thread because I don't like being flamed or being made fun of.
I am checking out of this thread that has become very negative.
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Luci,
This is the reason that the post was initially look upon with a degree of suspicion. There have been many reports of improper and illegal behaviour by crew on a couple of cruiselines with CCL being the most commonly complained about. I also know that many of these claims are greatly exaggerated and some were just flat lies. Those that have been proven as being false are just not reported as as being unfounded as that isn't exciting so they continue on as legends and myths. Yes there have been a couple problems but they are rare and much less likely to occur than in any other vacation situation. They need to be dealt with harshly and quickly for those that are true and also reported as to what has happened. The false reports should equally be reported as being untrue and the accusor delt with harshly.
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I haven't read the other replies, there is a lock on your door that can't be opened from the outside by ANYONE. Just use it.
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Jim...why was my sarcastic post reply to Windycity above deleted yet that post is still there. I have no problem with you deleting my post but did you read windycitys post ??
For him to suggest that any woman invites a rape is demeaning to women. How did my post rate deletion but his did'nt? Just wondering ...thanks

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"they are rare and much less likely to occur than in any other vacation situation."........Jim Bragg

How can you say such a thing Jim? Do you have any statistics to back up that claim?

Let's see, I go on a camping trip in Yellowstone with my wife and two nieces and they are more likely to get raped there than on a cruise. Prove it ! ! ! !

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Rick I answered you in private in response to your e-mail. You want it public, here it is, you nor anyone else is allowed to make demeaning statements about anyone else no matter if their opinions or ideas are incorrect or not. You may correct them but with respect. It is in fact incorrect to say a woman 'asked' for it as studies have proven. Lord knows I have been involved in the investigations of enough sexual assaults to know this. Some folks still believe this and wrong or not, it is their belief and you can only point out proof of it being otherwise. That is called discussion which is welcomed. Putting someone down or being 'sacrastic' is not.
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No, I do not have the numbers nor a statistical study to back that statement up. It is just an observation at looking at the numbers I have seen reported in all venues. I know of, and have heard of, very few actual attacks that have occured onboard a cruise ship although there certainly have been some. I have however seen FBI reports of crimes from the 70's and 80's while I was in active law enforcement that show sexaul attacks are not uncommon at all in hotels/ campgrounds/resorts, etc. IN addition I have had to take a number of those very same type reports.Unfortunate but true.
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hi Mo,

It used to be an incredible hassle to try and sue anyone for crimes at sea. It seems the cruiselines wanted it that way. But because of so much local negqtive publicity, the cruiselines caved and criminals at sea, whether they be passengers or crew, are arrested as soon as the ship returns to port (in Florida anyway) and prosecuted here as well. Mostly it's drugs. Rape really is stupid at sea (anytime actually). Drugs are stupid too.

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I know of, and have heard of, very few actual attacks that have occured onboard a cruise ship although there certainly have been some. - Jim

I'll bet there are a lot more that go unreported.

Some things to keep in mind - always use the bolt on your door. Be aware of your surroundings at all times. If you drink, don't get so smashed that you become an easy target. And keep your drink at hand always - never leave it alone or turn your back on it! GHB and other date rape drugs are easy to come by. The victim may wake up in the morning with no recollection of what happened.

Everyone stay safe.

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Rick, go to your room ! ! ! !

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