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Old August 10th, 2004, 01:44 PM
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If Carnival had a non-smoking ship doing 7 days in the Caribbean for $500 (like they did in the past) and then removed the no-smoking policy that many people have now complained about. Would you spend $800 to a $1000 to cruise on another non-smoking ship (i.e. Celebrity or RCCL) on the same Itinerary.
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Old August 10th, 2004, 02:02 PM
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Yes, I would pay more to be away from smokers.
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Nope. But then again, the smoke wasn't really an issue for us. We only noticed it in the casino.

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No - I wouldn't. Never been bothered by smoke on a cruise.

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Yes I would, as smoking bother's my asthma a lot!!

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I wonder if the non smokers are as concerned with smokers everywhere they go in life or just on cruise ships? When people book a cruise they know there will be smokers on board. What is the big surprise about it. You book the cruise knowing the issues you face. I am a non drinker (maybe 2 a year), but it does not bother me and it will not stop me from going on a cruise.
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Not many people are willing to pay for their "clean air". Go into any city and you will breathe in more cancerous chemicals then the ones you inhale next to a smoker.
I used to smoke (been 1 year smoke free). But I really don't understand all the complaining about smokers. You know you are going to be in the company of smokers when you go out in public. There is a smoking and a non smoking section. People who are SO bothered by smoke could be polite when a smoker wonders into their territory, and ask them to please move to the smoking side of the ship, instead of making snide remarks and coughing like a child trying to get attention.
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Nope. I would love to have a smoke-free cruise, but think that the smokers should have to pay the extra cost to smoke instead of nonsmokers having to pay to breathe. Why should I have to pay extra when I'm not the one polluting the air, endangering people's health and creating extra cleaning/deodorizing costs?

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DisneyJag, had to answer your post. Why should you pay more? Because you are a minority cruising group. If that were not so, not only would the Paridise still be sailing but there would be more non-smoking ships. Sorry but the Paridise experiment did not work even after very heavely discounting the ship. It seems that (of course with exceptinons) non-smokers on cruise ships are rather frugal. I'm not saying that this is wrong, just that a smoke free ship is not profitable. It seems that the hardcore non-smokers not only want a smoke-free cruise but they also want it for little or nothing.
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I can see your point - nonsmokers don't want to pay more just to get away from smokers. Especially if they're booking a group cruise and Uncle Joe smokes.

By the same token, it seems that cruiselines could gain even more $$ by charging smokers an extra fee for select smoke-permitted ships. Nonsmokers will put up with the smoke to an extent, but I doubt smokers will ever go on a smoke-free cruise, even for a lower price.

Of course, reversing the current setup and going mostly smoke-free with only select smoking ships is too bold a move right now. The Paradise experiment proved that.



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DisneyJag, we agree.
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absolutely I would pay more!!!
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Yes. If Carnival had brains when they made their repositioning move for Paradise, they would have kept the nonsmoking thing for the California-mexico market!

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Yes I would pay more.I am a severe asthmatic, so smoke is a big problem for me.Even in places that have a no smoking section you still smell the smoke.As far as being frugal most smokers order a cup of coffee and sit and smoke while the rest of us order a meal.I dont care if you want to ruin your health with smoking but your ruining mine as well.You should be allowed to smoke, but it should be in a completely different room from non smokers.I know all the smokers will jump down my throat, they think there right to smoke out ranks my right to breath
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3FOB5, Carnival does have brains, thats why they stopped non-smoking ships in the 1st place. Evidently there are not enough non-smokers to support a cruise ship. Bottom line is "recieved revenue verses cost of running a cruise." It did not work or other cruiselines would have jumped in. A non-smoking ship is a money loser.
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Sorry, Cruiseguy, but non-smokers are NOT the minority!! Even time we have sailed on the beautiful Paradise (which will we no longer give preference to), it was always COMPLETELY booked! The reason Carnival gave up the non-smoking environment was because non-smokers don't drink & gamble as much as their smoking counterparts. There was no problem completely booking the ship, just the amount of revenue taken in was less.

Our CD on our last cruise on her stated that everyone should put on their comment cards that they would LOVE to have another non-smoking ship! It was the result of these comment cards that the Paradise came to be, so it's always possible that Carnival would create another ship with a fresh environment.

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The "extra cost of smokers" must not be much. If it saved on cleaning, deodorizing, and the like, then they would have passed on the savings. Maybe even used that as a selling point. I'm also sure that smokers gamble and drink alot. (we all know that smokers are "bad people" in general and that non smokers don't have any bad habits) I know that I don't drink or gamble any less now that I'm a non smoker. So I don't fnd that statement a little hard to swallow. I think one of the reasons the Paradise was filled was because it came about at the beginning of the increase in cruisers. We all know it took a year or so after 9/11 to get confidence to travel again for many people.
I do feel bad for those of you who actually do have medical problems that smoke has a dramatic effect on. But on the other hand, I am short statured (4'0") and have a bone disorder. The slippey floors are very dangerous for me. If I were to fall, I'm sure to break something. So I avoid going near the wet spots if at all possible. I can't reach many things on the ship and trying to get something could result in something falling on me. So I avoid reaching out for those things. It's all in the choices we make. There are area's desginated on the ship for non smokers and there is a good reason for it. So that those people who are bothered by the smoke can avoid it as much as possible. A polite request for a smoker to leave your area if they are smoking is all that it takes usually. Polite being the key word.
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On the contrary, Cruisequeen, we just returned from cruising the Paradise on Aug 1st, and as we approached the purser's desk, there was a sign stating that the Paradise is full, and there were no available cabins, so it certainly wasn't because of a certain increase in cruising.

Also, I do not think that all smokers are rude, I've had some move their cigarette to the other side of themselves when their smoke seems to be like a cat who knows you don't like cats! But I've never seen a smoker leave an area when asked to because of their smoke, has anyone????

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Nope! In fact, I've had several rude smoker responses to my polite request of "excuse me, but smoking is not permitted in this area."

Some of my favorites include
* "WhatEVER," followed by more puffs,
* "So what do you want ME to do about it?" followed by more puffs, and
* the irrate, "Do you do this [ask people not to smoke in the nonsmoking sections] EVERYwhere you go?!?"

Like I'm such a horrible person to ask someone to follow the rules and respect my right to clean air!

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If the smoker was in the cabin with me,,yes,,otherwise,,no. I live in Los Angeles. Can't suck anything worse into my lungs then the air here anyway.
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Absolutely...I would pay extra for a non smoking ship. Although I don't know why we should have to pay more for a cruise just to be able to have clean air.

Debbie Ann. - I am a non drinker also. I drink absolutely ZERO a year, every year. But, theres a big difference from someone drinking around me and the person smoking around me. The drinking person is not dangering my health. The smoker is and I don't appreciate it.
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Well, Jeleja, drinkers don't endanger your health until you are in the direct path of a bar room brawl:-)
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Yes, definitely. I love to cruise but I hate cigarette smoke. I've had asthma and allergies all of my life and I would pay more for a non smoking cruise. I see people smoking and ruining their lungs and I would give anything to have been born without asthma and not have to take pills every day just to breathe.
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Jeleja: I have no control over some one who drinks or smokes., but I do have control over where I choose to be around it. We make our own choices and have to live with what we choose.
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I never realized until I quit smoking how bad it smelled. It was a very hard won victory for me. I am now 13 years smoke free. I had to be hypnotized to finally succeed at quitting. The very next morning I went to get in my car and was overwhelmed at the stench of the smoke in the upholstery. I had never noticed it before. Many times on cruise ships I would not be able to find a comfortable place to relax because smokers were in the non smoking area. When I politely reminded them they were in a non smoking area I always got snotty remarks. I guess they think the rules don't apply to them. I have complained to the cruiselines to enforce the policies but it does little good. Would I pay more for smoke free cruising? You bet I would.

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I think this is one of the things I'd get snarky about. I'd make my complaint to the purser very loud and very angry.
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A lot of the attitude is about where we are from. When I lived in North Carolina, many smokers were welcome to smoke where ever they pleased....

In California, a smoker would be tarred and feathered in a restaurant. And in many other places too.

As long as a ship has designated smoking places, that is fine. But public places, for health purposes, must be non-smoking. Why smoke in childrens' faces? Or asthmatics? It's beyond rude.
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Everyone can feel free to answer the question but this will not turn into a smokers vs. non-smokers thread. Off topic remarks, that do not answer the question, will be deleted.

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I would definitely spend more for non-smoking. Have had several verandah rooms with cigar smokers on both sides, which made me sick, literally. Couldn't ask them to stop, since they paid for their space, too, but one true gentleman neighbor said he would never smoke outside if anyone was out on our verandah--to just let him know. Others couldn't care less. I am a cancer survivor, not from cigarettes (I have never smoked), but I hate the smell in my hair and skin, from just being around smokers. They certainly have the right to smoke, but I have the right to have clean air around me, too. Ships can work this out, just like restaurants and hotels do. It just takes more planning and scheduling. They simply don't want to bother with it. Someday, it will happen.....I hope.
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