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amandabrown23 November 28th, 2010 11:06 PM

Do we need passports?
 
We are going to leave from Galveston and go to Mexico, do we need passports?

Snoozeman November 28th, 2010 11:42 PM

Probably not. Better if you had them. I'd feel better if you said which ship in order to confirm that it is a closed loop cruise.

amandabrown23 November 29th, 2010 12:06 AM

We are going on the carnival ecstasy

Moiraine November 29th, 2010 12:10 AM

If you are running down there and back to Galveston, you'll be on a closed loop, so no you don't have to have passports. However, passports are a good thing to have in case something happens and you miss the ship and have to fly to catch up or back home.

Mike M November 29th, 2010 09:48 AM

No:

Passports are not required for this cruise. An original, government issued, birth certificate and government issued picture ID is the minimum requirement.

Even with that I advise that you get the passport. If you need to fly home for any reason you will need one and with a passport you will be able to cruise or travel anywhere for the next ten years. The passport is a lot less hassle for traveling.

Take care,
Mike

LisaK November 29th, 2010 09:54 AM

totally agree with the others, eventhough you don't need a passport for this cruise, you really should get one for future travel and just in case you need to fly home from this cruise for any reason

anniegb November 29th, 2010 01:07 PM

Why would Americans not require a passport to visit a foreign country? Even if the country borders the US?

I know this happens but one of the first things I did as an adult was obtain a passport and have never been without one since. A passport is such a useful document and has enabled myself to obtain free hospital treatment on one rare occasion.

Kamloops Cruiser November 29th, 2010 03:10 PM

The US now requires that all travel to Mexico and Canada requires a passport.
Even if you cross by car , horse , mule or any other means they require a passport.

Mike M November 29th, 2010 03:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by doopydozer (Post 1331285)
The US now requires that all travel to Mexico and Canada requires a passport.
Even if you cross by car , horse , mule or any other means they require a passport.

That isn't correct:

Land or sea crossings require a passport. Closed loop, ocean going voyages do not.

DHS: Publication of Western Hemisphere Travel Initiative (WHTI) Land and Sea Final Rule, Questions and Answers

How will the final WHTI requirements affect passengers going on cruises?
U.S. citizens on closed-loop cruises (cruises that begin and end at the same port in the U.S.) will be able to enter or depart the country with proof of citizenship, such as a birth certificate and government-issued photo ID. A U.S. citizen under the age of 16 will be able to present either an original or a copy of his or her birth certificate, a Consular Report of Birth Abroad issued by DOS, or a Certificate of Naturalization issued by U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services.


Take care,
Mike

anniegb November 29th, 2010 03:46 PM

I know - none of my business - but why should cruising be exempt? Pardon the awful pun - just plain loopy to me :-)

Mike M November 29th, 2010 08:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by anniegb (Post 1331289)
I know - none of my business - but why should cruising be exempt? Pardon the awful pun - just plain loopy to me :-)

Because the cruise and travel industry has a lot of pull in Washington. :rolleyes:

Take care,
Mike

7x57 November 29th, 2010 08:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by anniegb (Post 1331289)
I know - none of my business - but why should cruising be exempt? Pardon the awful pun - just plain loopy to me :-)

To simplify what Mike said....$$$.

anniegb November 30th, 2010 04:07 AM

The reply confirmed what I suspected - thanks.

USA is very concerned about illegal immigration ? and it has this massive loop-hole? nuts!

7x57 November 30th, 2010 08:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by anniegb (Post 1331374)

USA is very concerned about illegal immigration ? and it has this massive loop-hole? nuts!


It's not as if you have a easy route into the county via a cruise ship. The "closed loop" part makes it more secure than the Rio Grande. The border is already very porous as evidenced by the cartel wars.

Mike M November 30th, 2010 10:10 PM

I would not call this a massive or even small loop-hole for immigration. The same people who get on the ship, at the start of the cruise, are the same people who get off the ship at the end of the cruise. Even if the passengers do not have a passport they have proved U.S. residency and/or citizenship.

Take care,
Mike

OklaCruiserMom February 2nd, 2011 07:29 PM

Do passengers over 16 absolutely have to have a photo id? My DD17 has not gotten her driver's license yet because she's developmentally delayed, and I don't know for sure when we will get it. I have an original birth certificate for all 3 of my kids. Above DD's twin sister has her driver's permit.

Snoozeman February 2nd, 2011 07:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OklaCruiserMom (Post 1349111)
Do passengers over 16 absolutely have to have a photo id? My DD17 has not gotten her driver's license yet because she's developmentally delayed, and I don't know for sure when we will get it. I have an original birth certificate for all 3 of my kids. Above DD's twin sister has her driver's permit.

My daughter used her school photo ID several times before she got her DL. I would ask your TA or someone more official to confirm.:cool:

Donna February 2nd, 2011 08:57 PM

You could also check with your state, I know here in Illinois, you can still get a state picture ID without having a drivers license...

LisaK February 3rd, 2011 09:45 AM

OklaCruiserMom, as the others have mentioned, a school picture id or a state picture identifcation plus the birth certificate will be ok for now, but a passport is the wisest choice, as in worse case scenario- if you are cruising or traveling and have to get home for an emergency you will need a passport to get out of a foreign country

OklaCruiserMom February 10th, 2011 09:07 AM

Hi all. Thanks- hopefully she will get her driver's permit at some point soon anyway, so it's probably not a problem. But as for photo id, I forgot she does have her tribal id- even though it's only a tiny degree, she is a citizen of the Chickasaw nation through her dad's side. Suppose that would work? I'm hoping she'll be able to get her driver's permit at least, but she is learning disabled and may have difficulty with the written test.

Re: traveling with children, help me with this scenario. This is not all true yet (we don't have passports yet) but will be by the time we sail: I'm their custodial parent. I'm traveling with them. All of us have passports. Their last name and mine is NOT the same. Do I still need a letter from their dad for the cruiseline, stating that I have his permission to take them out of the country and on the trip, and specifying exactly which trip on which dates, giving me all authority to permit specific activities, etc? Or since I'm their single custodial parent, do I not need this?

And ALSO, do I need a copy of my divorce from him, a copy of my marriage license for my subsequent marriage, and a copy of that divorce to show the link from their last name to my current last name? I will be able to get my hands on all that if necessary, but it seems like serious overkill!!

Thanks!

LisaK February 10th, 2011 10:01 AM

OklaCruiserMom, since you have sole custody of the children i would think that a letter of consent would not be necessary, but i would double check with the cruise line just to be sure. As long as you and the kids have passports that is all the form of id you will need

Moiraine February 10th, 2011 10:43 PM

We took our teen and a friend on a cruise last March. We got the letter from the friend's parents...and no one asked to see it. It turned out to be a total non-issue. Of course, if you miss the ship in a foreign country it might become an issue. Check with the cruiseline to make sure.

OklaCruiserMom February 14th, 2011 11:56 AM

Why do passports have to be so stinkin' expensive? It may be peanuts to some, but it's going to cost me over $400 just to get them for all of us. $100 X 3 adults, $85 X 1 child; photos $10-15 X 4; and express mail postage.

Oh well. I know they're good to have, essential in some cases, and so forth. Just wish they were less costly.

LisaK February 15th, 2011 09:51 AM

yes the intial cost is expensive but figure it this way, they are good for 10 years, and they are the most accepted form of identification world-wide.

OklaCruiserMom February 15th, 2011 09:09 PM

Oh, I know. I do plan to get them, I'm just going to be gritting my teeth the entire time, because the odds are so low that any of us are going to be leaving the country anytime soon after the cruise, or maybe never again.

I was also wondering, is there any point or value at all to a passport card? Someone suggested that to me today, but it didn't sound like they were of any real use in place of a passport.

I have a friend who is planning on taking a honeymoon cruise in June and all the TAs she has talked to have insisted that she actually did need a passport, and I told her it's not supposed to be a requirement, just "strongly recommended" but I wondered why the TAs would say they had to have them. I wondered if they were misinformed or just trying to help their client be completely prepared. She already happens to have hers, but her fiance' doesn't.

Moiraine February 15th, 2011 10:05 PM

The passport card works if you don't have to fly. The problem with that is that if you miss the ship for some reason you are out of luck. That is one of the major points of getting a passport. If you get stuck in another country after missing the ship, you need a way to either get back to the ship or get home.

ArabianHorseLover March 17th, 2011 01:43 PM

It just isn't right that we Americans have to spend all this money, and go through all this hassle, just because of a few idiot terrorists or because of illegal aliens.


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