I agree that this might be a kook on the boards; or, one little girl/boy who is definitely out of control. A lot of stories have been told that dont seem true, and things seem to be getting out of hand. Threads keep getting more and more volatile. Maybe she or he should be reported to the forum host.
Just wanted to let you know that if you click on brankflakes name it shows aol/aim, her name and other info. It seems she is a 12 year old girl. Has every internet connection you can think of from yahoo - aol - instant message alert etc. Someone needs to monitor this child.
Thank you Skippy for the information and the reminder for parents to be on top of their game, even when on vacation. I feel badly that so many people responded to your post suggesting you had exagerated or down right lied. These people must be living in a fantasy land and not reality. While cruises are paradise they are not fantasy and real life situations will occur. We are cruising in July and we talk in detail about situations that our young teenagers must be aware of. These people who believe that you were not being honest must read the daily newspaper or watch news on television. Thank you again for trying to be of help to us caring parents.
I DO believe this can happen and if I witnessed it I would be in the creep's face and then at the purser's desk to report him. Heck, when I was a teen if someone had tried this with me I would have slapped him, or worse.
On the other hand, I saw good security in place on my first cruise ever, on the Holiday. A drunken lecher was harrassing women in the (adult) disco, trying to "grind" them and such. The bar manager told him to cut it out. When he didn't, the captain came in and told him to leave the disco or he would be escorted to the brig.
I do not doubt this did or could happen. As parents, we all need to be responsible and keep our children safe. There is a false sense of security on a cruise ship, but the reality is that weirdos take cruises too.
Not Matter What - People need to be aware that a cruise is like going to a hotel resort. It is not "safer". As an adult lady I make sure if I go back to my cabin at night alone that no one is around when I go in my cabin - I walked past my cabin this last cruise until a maintenance man went around a corner and I watched that he went down a hall and then I went back to my cabin. BE CAREFUL! I was hit on this last cruise by a crew member. Luckaly my hubby came from around the corner and I made sure I made it apparent it was a "happy" marriage. Even if people don't belive this post - just be careful. There was a website mentioned earlier that had listings of all cruise ship incidents for the last three years and I checked it out to see how many "man overboard" there were and there were a lot of sexual assults! Women should not let their guard down! Debbie
Now you have me spooked. We are taking a l6 and 20 year girls on our trip. Our daughters will supposedly have the room across from us. Last year we told our daughters to come back with their friend (we had a friend from home whose family also went). This time we are alone. Yeeeek We sail next month.
oh please DON'T WORRY ABOUT A THING lizzy..ur girls will be absolutley fine and let them have good time and don't be an annoying paranoid parent cuz i know some of ya'll think that REALLY makes a difference..the bottom line is let them have fun (have some boundaries, of course) or they will hate u forever
" or they will hate you forever"
HOW OLD ARE YOU!!
because you must be like 14 ! What mature , well adjusted teen would hate their parents" forever" for having standaards and morals.Sounds like the sort of thing a very immature person would say to get their way" if you don't do what I want I will hate you forever" !
yeah i'm almost 17 and believe it or not, teens ARE immature! and self-centered, and always think they're right. so DON'T mess with me..who are u to pick on a kid neway..and it was a figure of speech..a hyperbole its called, as i believe i was taught in english class - an exaggeration for effect? i hope u don't take everything people write this literally. i think most people got what i meant..right? and if they didn't then i guess will smith was right when he said parents just really don't understand =/
Lizzy - just keep a close eye on your girls. If you look closely at the date of the post also, it is dated 2002. Branflakes is trying to stir things up and is a sicko. Just have consistent checkins with your daughters and everything will be fine. As on any vacation you need to talk about the rules. Strangers are strangers whether on a cruise ship or in a hotel. Have a great time on your trip
I just got off a cruise that had a bunch of kids on it. It was right after school was let out and the parents of these kids were nowhere to be found. These kids were monsters, rude and inconsiderate of older people.
I just wonder how many parents think their kids are such good little people when they're out on their own? If most of them think that...then they have some kids who have them fooled to no end.
Parents tend to think THEIR kids are the most well-behaved ALL the time because they're well behaved when they're in tow. Put them with a bunch of other ones their own age and they turn into something all together different.
I took pictures of kids on the ship HANGING off the railing and Sitting PERCHED on the railing while the ship was moving! The parents would probably sue the cruise line if the kid fell overboard!
Mommy and daddy are in the casino, the bars or partying while the kids are behaving like little trollups and juvenile delinquents because the parents think they'll behave or someone else will keep an eye on them.
It's not the little kids...it's the kids between 13 and 17 who act like imbeciles when they're in packs and left alone to amuse themselves.
Some people shouldn't be permitted on ships if they can't take care of their cargo.
You are aboard a ship. Possibly a community of 3000 people. Similar to a small town.
In this town you have wonderful people having fun. As in any town...there are those who break the rules. YOUNG & OLD.
I will assume besides wild children there had to be a few adults who might have had a few too many..
Or some rude folks who wouldnt put the cigarette out you asked them to do...or butted in front of you in line..
Or were loud and rude throughout the show.
ETC ETC ETC...
This is life in any city... next time I suggest taking a 10 day cruise with an older crowd...
But dont complain when they move to slow and get in your way.. or because they are hard of hearing and shouting to each other as they sit on their balcony so loud that they interrupted you as you slept on yours. Or I suggest watch the school holiday dates...
Adults are to be held accountable for their behavior...adults are also responsible for their children and accountable for THEIR behavior.
I've NEVER seen as many adults act as though they should be locked up in their rooms as I have seen children who have parents who obviously don't care how their kids behave when they're not with them.
I don't know of a city with 3,000 people living in it that is as small as a ship that only holds 3,000 people. In a city of 3,000 people ALL of them are not in the same 2 dining rooms or on the same street at one time.
So, spare me the justification of the behavior of children who have parents who would rather pay more attention to a slot machine than they would their own child, what it's doing and where it is on this vessel. That doesn't fly with me.
OKAY OKAY!!!!!!!!!!! I can believe the story in a way and in another way it hard to because when i was on the carnival triumph there was security guards on the decks and in the shopping areas right after it turned dark but i didnt see any when i was going to my cabin.......BUT!.......i bet if you asked that girl how she got drunk at only 15 i bet she would probably say that the guy that your sayin assulted her is the guy who bought her the drink or drinks and got her drunk......
i will tell the truth i thought someone on the Triumph was following me he looked really weird so i went and told the one of the guards to just watch him for me (im only 13) but he did watch him and i think he was following me or thats what the guard thought also because i seen him and the guard talking for a LONG TIME!!!! and i dont think i seen him again soo i wouldnt let skippy worry you and give you kids some freedom on a cruise!!! its just more fun!!!
I'm a teacher (11-17 year olds) and I know just how devilish they can be (also angelic, don't get me wrong). I wholeheartedly agree with you, but I have noticed similar behaviour while on vacation in other areas, not only cruising. These parents seem to think that vacation means a vacation from parenting as well.
HELLO FELLOW CRUISERS,
I HAVE READ ALL THE FORMENTIONED
BECAUSE THIS IS PUBLIC I WOULD SHARE MY TWO SENSE!!
WHEN I AM ON A SHIP ANY SHIP I AM ON HOLIDAY
IF I SHALL SEE SOMETHING OF A NEGATIVE NATURE AND/ OR A MEMBER OF THE OPPOSITE SEX ASK ME FOR HELP GUESS WHAT ? I WILL!! ....
I WILL FOLLOW THROUGH AND SHARE WITH THE "PERT"( I AM FROM THE OLD SCHOOL) A BRIG!! AOR SING ( I DON'T KNOW WHICH IS WORSE (HAHAHA)
OH! BY THE WAY HAPPY SAILING TO ALL!!
DUKE ( A REAL MAN WHO WALKS TALL)
Oh, believe me, I know they can be angels! I also know that too many parents think going on a vacation means vacationing from parenting. I also know that it happens in places other than cruise ships, but I don't think many parents would take their kids to Rome, NYC, Paris, Rio de Janero, Mexico City or any other foreign city and let their adolescent child run loose and show up at the hotel anytime they felt like it.
For some reason they feel a cruise ship is somehow different. All one has to do is go to the dining room on one of the nights when the Maitre di prefaces the dining staff show with telling us how many foreign staff is on the ship and from how many different countries they hail from to find out just how many strangers are on a ship. MOST of those people working in those positions on the ships are from very very very poor 3rd world countries and there are some who feel they have nothing to lose if they're coming to the end of their contract and can't wait to get off the ship after 8 or 9 months.
I really doubt there are that many 13-17 year old young ladies that are roaming around itching for a good time who would tell anyone if they got into trouble anyway...and THAT's the scary part. I know that how a person dresses isn't an excuse for getting raped or assaulted, but the person intent on doing the deed doesn't see it that way.
Hey Branflakes dont take anything anybody says personal. You will never meet anybody
on any of these message boards. But one thing, this whole arguement would have not
happened if you had not brought this thread back from 08/02. This thread has worried many parents, I have a 7 yr old Daughter that is fearless, but I watch her like a hawk.
I was 20 yrs old when I went on my first cruise and the male cruise employees
followed myself and my blonde hair, blue eyed 18 yr old Sister around the ship the whole cruise. Take care and I am glad you are able to take such wonderfull vacations.
I love children, I love them so much that I want them to be safe, respected, respectful, and able to end a cruise in one piece and I love children that are courteous to adults, respect them, and let them enjoy THEIR cruise as well.
I believe children should be well behaved and I respect and commend the parents who make sure their children ARE well behaved, have manners, are courteous and EARN my respect.
There are places for children, things for children to do and there are times and places where children should NOT be and things they should NOT do.
The adults who bahave in a drunken manner and are obnoxious is inexcuseable and very likely had parents who did not rear them in the proper manner themselves. The cycle needs to be broken so that more children NOW do not end up being adults that end up being travellers not worthy to be travelling with MOST of us that we all have foisted upon us today.
My opinions are not directed to anyone in particular but are relevant to ALL of us in general. I AM a very frequent traveler and I've seen it all...well, I'm never surprised to see something new!