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Old October 28th, 2002, 06:10 PM
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Anyone from Destiny 10-20-02 cruise know any more about the
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Little incident! Oh my! We will have nightmares about that 'little incident' for the rest of our lives! I haven't been able to find words to express the complete fear we felt. It was a terrifying expereince!

We did not get the truth of what happened. It is sad that this captain chose not to be truthful with 3,000 guest who COULD handle the truth much better than a lie.

The way the ship TIPPED (!?) certainly would've, but thankfully didn't, send someone overboard. Of course they had to look for anyone THEY might have send overboard! This ship either hit something or turned abruptly to avoid hitting something. If anyone went overboard it was due to an error from the bridge! I felt something in the minute before the incident and asked my husband if he felt 'that', but he was already sleeping. About a minute (or less) later the shipped tipped and there was a noise that made me think at the time we hit something. Also, there was that sudden thud and the shipped stopped all in a matter of seconds. The ship did correct it self, but didn't correct it self completely for some time. Nothing they said made sense, as much as I tried to believe them, it doesn't make sense.

Why did it take so long for an explaination? People running around the ship screaming with their life jackets on should've been their first clue to say something!!! There was a little girl in the cabin across from us who was tossed out of her bed and badly hurt her knee.

Did you know that there was wet luggage and water on the first deck and surely more water on the lower decks! Our cabin steward said he has never been involved in anything like this before and has not heard of anything like this before in his 5 years working on cruise ships. A retired Navy man stated in all of his years in the Navy he never saw a ship turn for a man overboard, shutting down the engine was protocol!

Since the Coast Guard was called and sent two helicopters, can we get the truth from them?? I can honestly say I have never been so scared. This was our third cruise, and I don't see us taking another cruise again. Their dishonestly has left us feeling like they can't be trusted. Things happen, they should've been honest and everyone would feel better in knowing the truth.
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Old October 28th, 2002, 09:45 PM
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We had a incident on our first cruise last March on the Enchantment, where a crew member fell to his death in a elevator shaft...we heard a emergency call at 1 a.m. and is the only reason we knew something happend. We asked our cabin stewart and he told us what happened, but he said the crew is not suppose to tell passengers when bad things happen.... I do not think that is a fair policy of the ships, do you?
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My daughter was in the casino when "the incident" occured. She said the slots
were rocking, but none tipped over. She and her roomy went up on deck and
were sent below decks about 5 minutes later. If you remember, they sent everyone
below decks, everyone to their cabins, stay off the verandahs, stay in your rooms, close
your doors. If they were trying to hush or hide the truth, they had the drill down pat.
They even sent the cabin stewards around to make sure you were in your cabin.
Then security roamed the halls making sure you stayed there.
I have been on many cruises, most on Carnival. I will inquire of Carnival what
actually happened, and the answer, or lack of, will determine whether I sail
with them again in the future. I was not a spectator, I was present during that
cruise & beleive I deserve to know the truth.

Our Waiter said the dining room staff were up all night putting the galaxy dining room
back together, lots of broken glass. I heard, but did not see, the gift shop was a mess.
We only had a couple of broken wine glasses in our cabin. I have pictures of the cleanup in the casino bar, lots of glasses and liquor bottles broken.
I had a group of over 30 on the ship and they say I can really throw a party.

The Celebrity passengers said a steady stream of ambulances left our
ship after the gangplank was lowered, but did not say how many.
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Old October 29th, 2002, 07:07 AM
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Are you all talking about two different ships? There was reference to Destiny then Galaxy, I am confused!
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I sure think this is a case, where the truth would of been the best way to handle it, now what did really happen. I just wonder if we will ever know. When things like this do happen, hiding the truth is really the worst possible decision, but thats JMHO. Sometimes, though eventually it does come to light, but in the meantime, sure makes the cruiseline look bad, like they are trying to hide something??

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Old October 29th, 2002, 02:47 PM
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The name of one of the dining rooms on Destiny is the Galaxy Dining Room.

I too wish they would be a little more forthcoming with information when an incident occurs.

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Old October 29th, 2002, 05:22 PM
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I live in Miami and whenever snything fatal happens on cruiseships or anyone falls overboard, fatal or not, weher about it. When the coast guard is involved the cruiselines really cn't hide much of anything. The media in Miami, newspapers and TV both report it.

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Old October 29th, 2002, 06:34 PM
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Okay, this has to stop! Rumors are not helpful and we should not put them out. From what I understand, and again I am not positive of the details as of yet but Cruisemates will publish them when they find out the TRUE story! Apparently some fool yelled "man overboard". The ship immediate circled which of course will cause the ship to heal over some, it did not almost capsize for crying out loud! The passengers were asked to return to the cabins so that they could make a check on who was ands who was not onboard. Again, this is standard procedure. The Captian WILL NOT have time to talk to everyone and pat them on the head and explain everything, he is very busy! I would never believe anyone who was on another ship reporting they "saw" a steady stream of amblances! Don't you think this would have been International news? Come on folks. Seems like there is some scare tactics going on. If you don't KNOW, don't report it as facts. You also only KNOW if you saw it first-hand.
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A while ago on this board there was a report about a woman falling to her death aboard a ship from one deck to the next. MY GOD, all the people who responded about how foolish it was to post nonsense and how the media would've reported it if it really happened! ! ! The poster was lambasted relentlessly for fabricating this story and guess what folks??? It was true, and Anne Campbell contacted Carnival to clear it up. Carnival responded by posting on this board.

So before anyone goes about thinking that if it's not in the papers it didn't happen read that thread.

The thread is titled "Murder on the Elation" posted 9/15/02.


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Hi Thomas,
Yes, I sure do remember that thread. If I recall correctly, the title of it was something about a woman murdered, which turned out not to be the case, still a very unfortunate accident, but yes at the time, there was no word from Carnival, so of course the story went crazy, same thing could happen with this, time will tell.

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Funny, you say not to spread rumors but you said you think " some fool yelled man overboard ". Talk about spreading rumors.
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I have searched everywhere for information, and there is nothing. Not even the Associated Press reported on it.
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You obviously were not there during this terrifying incident! This was a terrifying experience for those of us who were there, you sir are out of line! I could not reach my cabin door because the ship was at such an angle, I was thrown back into my bed and hit my head! I helped a young girl who was thrown from her top bunk with a knee that was swollen three times its normal size. The cabin next to us had its closet door torn off. Every item in our cabin was tossed to the other side of the room. Who are you to tell us what happened.

This experience was tramatic for all of us that were there. Do you know what it's like to be so terrified that you put on your life jacket and run for the steps without regard to your personal items or what you have on? This happened. It was horrible. Do not patronize those of us who are having a hard time sleeping and find working difficult because you can't stop reliving those horrifying moments at sea.

I'm quit sure nobody expected the captain to assume the responsibility of informing his 3000 guests in this emergency. However, it is responsible to think someone could have, and should have, informed us as to the nature of the incident long before they did 30 minutes later. I have not been able to express in words the total fear we felt. As a Registeres Nurse I have no doubt there were many injuries, I helped the best that I could with as many as I could. Since we were not allowed to leave our rooms (and security made sure we didn't) it was not possible to help all that needed help.

You have no idea how terrified we were. It was the most freightening moment of my life.
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The incident with Carnival's Destiny happened on Saturday night just outside of San Juan. I have tried to contact the Coast Guard but have been successful so far. We would like an expaination of what happened.
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I have a friend who was on Carnival Destiny on the night of the "incident" He said it was horrible. He is still looking for answers on what really happend. If anyone knows what really happend please email me at: Temptation_02@hotmail.com He also has footage of that night. I think Carnival should have compensated the passengers don't you think??
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Now we're getting to the bottom of this thread! Compensation! Yup, I deserve a free cruise because the ship tilted, and I certainly deserve a free cruise for getting jostled about in my cabin, and oh yes, I deserve another free cruise because we weren't told a THING for a HALF HOUR! I might even own this company before this thing is settled! Ridiculous.
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Anne Campbell where are you? Please set this one straight too!
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I made itr clear that I did not know if this was in fact what really happened but it is the only report I have heard that may have made sense and been somewhat reliable. As I said, when we find out the TRUTH, we will publish it and let everyone know. CM is looking into it but it takes time to get the proper and factual information. What has been reported on this board seems to be pretty well blown out of proportion IMHO.
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First off.. I think that the cruise ship should have had at least told the truth, but cruise liners are obviously going to lie about it. With all these stories the crew members told who knows what happend. And as for being compensated, they should have at least given the min $100 each person (they don't need to own the cruise line!), it's not the passengers fault. Maybe if they were responsible enough to say what really happend when they got back maybe no one would be upset!!
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Jen maybe they are still trying to figure out what all happened but please compensate the passengers for what? So many people are looking for a ride and this causes the price to rise. They were more than likely doing the right thing as Jim previously stated. Be happy that you are alive, things happen whether you are on vacation or not. I am curious to know exactly what happened but I will not speculate or demand something just because. I'm sorry for those on the ship, it must have been terrifying experience but there are the obvious reasons why things are done even if we don't think so at the time.

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Diane.. I'm just giving my opinion, I wasn't on the boat, but from what I have seen on tape, I really think that they should have at least WHEN THEY GOT BACK, said what happend, and how could they no know what happend?? Come on stop with the bs. they know what happend, they just won't say it! As I said it's an opinion everyone is intitled to have one.
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Never said it didn't happen Thomas, just said it appears to be overblown. You referred to this "murder" on the Ecstasy, well that WAS also overblown, or at least the wording led itself to wrong conclusions, there was no murder, it was an apparent suicide or accident. It was not reported to all the passengers as it was not thier concern nor did it affect them in any way. It was also not reported in the newspapers just like other accidents and/or suicides on land-based vacations are not reported. End of story.
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Okay, here is what happened and is factual. About 1-1:30am there was a medical emergency onboard and to get immediate attention someone reported "Man Overboard" apparently thinking they would get quicker attention than just telling the truth. This definately got attention but not what this fruitcake wanted. The ship followed immediate emergency procedures and made a U-turn and notified the USCG of the report who dispatched a helo for search operations. The crew responded by making a count of all guest and crew to determine if in fact anyone was missing. This was not finished until approx 3am resulting in little sleep for the passengers OR crew that night. There were announcements made by both the CD and the Captian about what was going on and asking for understanding and cooperation. Some may not have heard these announcements because they were either unable to hear them in their rooms or just weren't paying attention or making too much noise speculating. Fact is these announcements were made. The turn was sharp and the crew did go into emergency mode and quite active, as well they should be in a reported situation like this. There were NO injuries, much less deaths reported concerning this incident. There was also no striking of any object in the water, no water flowing along the interior lower decks, no crewmen screaming down the passageways they were all going to die, and/or any of the other silly reports made here or on other cruise related sites. To put it bluntly, there IS NO STORY. I hope this ends it, or at least it should. Could it have frightened some passengers, certainly. Could it have been done differantly or rather should it have been done differantly, no.
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ok this is getting out of hand.. as for injuries.. yes there were people who broke their legs, arms, have bruises from falling off their beds,(all seen on tape) now you tell me something.. what was the loud noise that was heard?? Why wasn't the truth told?? They did not handle this the right way. It was a bad experience for thoes who were on that boat. I'm not here to argue but come on get real things got out of hand.. Carnival did everything to clean up before the got to dock so no one would know what happend. People had to clean their own rooms with glass that was broken. I believe thoes who were there, who heard it all and seen it all.
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On the Sun Princess two years ago, we experienced a similar situation, only this time, there was someone overboard. The crew went into emergency mode, decks were cleared so crew could watch undisturbed. The ship did make a sharp turn and there was a loud noise as the engines tried to slow down. We were able to stand on our balcony and watch the rescue, but you should have heard the stories later about the incident, absolutely amazing. I imagine similar here, the perceptions of passengers are all different. In my opinion, if any compensation should be received, the passenger who caused it all should be the one to pay up, not Carnival.
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Jen, you just received the truth. False reports that we know to be false should not, and will not be allowed as that could lead to civil action. Let me ask you, have YOU seen this tape? Who took it? Don't fall into the trap of those that wish to start or perpetuate rumors or bash cruiselines, be it CCL, RCI, NCL, or any of the others. The report I got was from those that would know and they have no reason to lie or say anything that is not true, and not from CCL PR people. It's over folks, that dog won't hunt. <G>
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Here's the real story of what happened, from Jennifer de la Cruz of Carnival's P.R. staff.


The last night of the voyage somewhere around 1:30 a.m., some guests reported a "man overboard" off the starboard side the ship. The bridge was notified and quickly did a maneuver that is designed to swing the tail of the ship away from the side of the vessel where the person went over. This is apparently intended to swing the ship's propellers away from the vicinity of where the individual allegedly landed in the water.

The ship then started slowing its speed so it could do what is called the Williamson Turn which is conducted during man overboard situations and is designed to rapidly turn the ship and bring it back to the approximate vicinity of where the person went overboard.

In the midst of this process, we notified USCG and started conducting a roll call to account for all guests and crew. In order to most efficiently and expeditiously accomplish the accounting of all souls on board, guests were asked to remain in their cabins. Once that was completed, we determined no one was missing.

It is my understanding that an announcement was made to explain to guests that it was a man overboard situation and that the resulting maneuvers are what caused the toppling of items that weren't secured. Unfortunately, that is sometimes going to happen when you do these maneuvers but they are conducted to try to save the life of whoever has gone overboard.

Further, when someone reports a "man overboard" we have to give them the benefit of the doubt and conduct the maneuvers.

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