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Old January 13th, 2003, 12:32 AM
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Unfortunately, there is more and more of "ME" and who cares about anyone else. Very sad. But, the cruise will go on and my family and I will dress as suggested for dinner, (Written or unwritten) just because we still follow social courtesy. Kahkis, simple dresses, simple shirts and tops. We do this just because we want to put forth an effort to make the dining experience special. This is how we were raised and we passed it on to our children. We don't consider it a fashion show, in fact, we like to wear jeans. However, for us, jeans belong at casual functions such at BBQ's, picnics, carnivals or here in TEXAS, rodeo! Now , those of you who disagree, so be it. But I will stand by my point of view. I do not feel that casual nights require sport coat or expensive ensembles. However, something clean, non-jean in the diing room for dinner in the main dining room on a cruise ship.
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I'm glad to see there are some people who do "adhere" to the dress codes. I'm sorry but I don't agree with Lois and some of the others. Yes folks who do dress down are frowned upon. I know that I am not the only one who feels this way. Just nothing is said so how do you (the ones who dress down) know? Just because the dress code may not specifically exclude jeans it does not also specifically include them. It does state what they want to see however so take that is the dress code. As I and many others have said you would not go in jeans to a fancy restaurant so think of it as that. I can say that on our last cruise on fromal night a young woman wore a black loosely crocheted short dress with bikini on. She was looked down upon by many people and they all said something amongst themselves and to other passerbys so don't think that you are not looked down upon when you dress inappropriately. If you have to wear something that is not in the dress code go to the buffet. They don't mind there. It's not all about you it's about the whole experience and that is part of what we enjoy about cruising, dressing up!

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OMG! I wonder if it was the same person Diane! When we were onboard the Norway there was a table behind us that had some very loud and obnoxious people sitting there. They were in their upper 20's, lower 30's and obviously never had any proper manners instilled in them. One of the women, (notice i did not say lady), came to formal night with one of those shimmery metallic looking bikini tops and a black skirt complete with formal shoes! I am not a snob nor do I think the others around us were but she was definately looked down upon due to her lack of class and I am not talking strictly about her attire. She was still loud, obnoxious, and half in the bag along with her companions. We were seated with some much older people and we thought the ladies there were going to have heart attacks they were so shocked! <> It doesn't take money nor social status for one to show class and behave properly. Lord knows we are not well off and even though raised in poverty, (and I do mean poverty), my parents taught us right from wrong and how to behave in public and appear our best.
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Thanks for all the opinions. My husband is the jean wearer. He doesn't mind dressing up, just not every night. We have been on 2 other cruises and the only place you could eat dinner was in the dining room. From what I have read this one will be different. More options for dinner. If that is the case, I want have a problem with dressing him.HaHa. I am wearing a long dress and he is wearing a grey suit for the formal night. Sounds like that is fine.

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Old January 13th, 2003, 02:47 PM
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You died and made you boss!!nushnakka wrote:

> Folks, NO JEANS! Look in the info Carnival sends with the
> docs, they indicate the dress. I don't care if it's your
> vacation. You want jeans, then eat at the buffet. I am sure
> you would not go to a fancy restaurant wearing jeans so think
> of this as the same. The TA either does not know what they are
> talking about or just wanted to close the deal. This is a
> huge cruise pet peeve of ours, is the people who find it so
> hard to adhere to the dress code. On the 1st night it would be
> ok along with shorts so take advantage of that if you want.
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Old January 13th, 2003, 02:51 PM
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I love reading the comments about what or what not to wear! I love my jeans but never, ever take them on vacation! I learned the hard way! Back in '84, a transatlantic trip on the ss Norway, I decided to spend a few days in London first.

No wheels on my luggage and being in my 30s, had to have to my jeans, over two weeks without my jeans??? Well, you take 4 pairs jeans in your left hand, then maybe 6 or 7 cotton slacks in your right, which would you rather carry? Sorry, but jeans are a major pain, heavy and take up too much space. I learned the hard way and in a warm climate there are way too many other more comfortable choices! I refuse to drag jeans around or wear them if it is over 60 degrees.

Jeans have become a major part of our dress and even though I wear them, I don't buy the idea that people have a "given right" to wear jeans. They're just pants and people can't put on a pair of khaki's or other type of pants??? Hmmmmm, interesting! Why does it have to be jeans??? Since my first trip overseas, I learned to blend in and now more times than not, I get asked for directions! Happened to me in London, Paris, Toronto and Quebec. This is what makes the world go around, lots of different opinions!

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Old January 13th, 2003, 04:03 PM
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Susan you ask why doesn't have to be jeans? My answer, is there are some people who only have jeans and of course that one suit for weddings,funerals and of course formal night on cruises<G>

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Old January 13th, 2003, 04:12 PM
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Nah, Jim this was on RCCL EOS last April. She was a young woman though but not loud or obnoxious just very very unappropriately dressed even for 1st night dinner!

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Old January 13th, 2003, 04:19 PM
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Diane if that young woman wore that dress on a casual night and not formal night would the passerbys been talking? I wasn't there, but was this short dress revealing? If so then maybe thats why they were talking. The last time i checked i don't think jeans are to revealing..

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Old January 13th, 2003, 04:19 PM
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Lois,

No one died and made anyone boss. It all comes down to common courtesy, It seems that there has been a trendous lack of. There are some rules and guidelines that are setup by the cruiselines, what is so hard to follow them. There is certainly some attitudes here. Why? Why cant we follow some simple rules. No one here is better that the other. It just seems that there are those who have some "common courtesy" and follow these trivial rules, and there are the ones who wish not. Can't anyone adhear to a few simple rules for a one week? If you don't own any nice clothing that is suitable for dinning, thats one thing. But to hoot and holler about "I can do anything I want to" is from the old school. Just have a little common courtesy. It doesnt take much effort.

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Old January 13th, 2003, 04:38 PM
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Tom, do you know me? I have one good suit that I bought for my stepson's wedding--my work has always been hands so suits would have intefered. And l will probably wear that "wedding" suit on formal night. It doesn't make sense for me to buy that many suits--I'm just one of those people who can make an Armani look shabby :-)

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Old January 13th, 2003, 04:55 PM
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Tom, I don't think it would have mattered what night she wore the dress if that's what you want to call it. It was a loosely crocheted type dress for which it can clearly be seen that she had a bikini (it could have been lingerie) on underneath. As her man was dressed in a suit it was safe to assume that she had not just come from the pool and threw on her coverup!

I by no means think that I am better than anyone else and no one appointed me boss but I do try to use common courtesy and common sense. BTW I love to watch people and it does not make me a lesser person or sad it's just fun to see people from different walks of life and how they interept common rules! It's also very interesting reading these posts.

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Old January 13th, 2003, 05:58 PM
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Diane I agree with your last post, thats what I been trying to say all along the key word in your last response was "interpt" common rules. What you interpt as the common rules are different then the one who thinks jeans are casual. That doesn't make either one wrong and that person should not be "look down upon" .

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Old January 13th, 2003, 07:16 PM
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Well, Had to give my 2 cents worth too. I have been on a cruise and they did escort two couples out of the dining room because they were not dressed appropriately. They came in with shorts and t shirts on. They had way too much to drink also but besides that fact..... the head waiter escorted them out telling them where the buffet lines were. I enjoy dressing for dinner. Not that we do it at home. That is why I do it with pleasure on a cruise. Makes me feel so special. Cruises are my special vacations. Rules are made to be obeyed. That is just like bringing your own booze along. Says not to. Just follow the rules. I would be so very embarassed to have to be told I was breaking the rules. Come on now.. You can do it! Just leave the jeans at home this once. You will still have a great time even if you o with the rules........ Char
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Old January 13th, 2003, 07:34 PM
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They broke the rules by wearing shorts and t-shirts that why they were asked to leave. Jeans are NOT PROHIBITED in dining room.

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Old January 14th, 2003, 04:38 PM
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If you don't want to see jeans on a cruise ship I suggest you sail First Class on the QE2 or on a Crystal ship!!! These passengers know how to dress!!!
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Old January 15th, 2003, 01:31 PM
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IF YOU ARE ASSIGNED TO SIT AT MY TABLE FOR DINNER AND YOU COME IN WEARING JEANS AND/OR TENNIS SHOES, I WILL ASK THE MATRE D' TO ESCORT YOU OUT TO THE BUFFET, AND TO RESEAT YOU AT SOME OTHER TABLE FOR THE REMAINDER OF THE CRUISE. Have some class, please. Come dressed for dinner, like you would to a nice land-based restaurant. Leave the jeans for working in the yard, or riding your Harley. Thanks. Bon Voyage.
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Old January 15th, 2003, 01:36 PM
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Great reply Harley, and I totally agree with you!!!
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Jeans are tacky as hell your not eating in the local steak house
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Old January 15th, 2003, 03:44 PM
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FIRST OF ALL YOU WROTE "MY" TABLE IT'S NOT "YOUR" TABLE IT'S "OUR" TABLE AND IF YOU WERE TO ASK THE MATRE D' TO ESCORT ANYONE TO THE BUFFET I DOUBT HE WOULD HE MAY SUGGEST THAT HE COULD MOVE YOUR SEATS TO A DIFFERENT TABLE.....

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Old January 15th, 2003, 03:57 PM
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Jeans are not prohibited in the dining room. You would be the one moving to a different table. I normally don't feel strong about this issue but with your incorrect post I had to take a jab.
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Old January 15th, 2003, 03:59 PM
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Jeans are not prohibited in the dining room. You would be the one moving to a different table. I normally don't feel strong about this issue but with your incorrect post I had to take a jab.
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Old January 15th, 2003, 03:59 PM
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I have been on 12 cruises on 6 different lines, and have never seen jeans worn in the dining room.

I can remember years ago, when everybody wore their finest even when boarding. Now the boarding terminal looks like a Greyhound bus depot! It wouldn't surprise me if the day is coming when jeans and short are ACCEPTABLE attire in the dining room.
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Who are you to be asking anyone to be escorted anywhere??????/
I have been on over a dozen cruises, and have worn blues to the dining
room many times. Not ratty, not frayed, not dirty, but nice blue jeans.
I have never had as much as a comment from anyone, much less
a complaint. These are Carnival ships, not Cunard. I cruise to enjoy myself,
not to impress anyone with my clothing. As I will surely not impress you,
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I looked up "clothing" on page 126 of the Carnival 2002-2003 book. This is what it
states: "Casual attire is in order during the day. For one or two nights, a dark suit or
formal attire is SUGGESTED. The dress code for other evenings ranges from
sport coat and tie to casual resort wear. Shorts and T shirts are not permitted in
the dining room during dinner." NO WHERE ARE JEANS MENTIONED. IT ALSO
STATES THE FORMAL ATTIRE IS SUGGESTED NOT MANDATORY. I can't imagine
why some of you are making such a big deal out of this. And, as far as anybody
having---anyone else -- removed from the dining room is without a doubt the most
ridiculous thing I have ever heard in my life....and over a pair of jeans. What planet
are you living on???? Maybe you better get yourselves a little glass bubble and
crawl into it to avoid being tainted by people who don't look and act exactly like you.
Honestly, a vacation is to be enjoyed. So, please start anticipating your own good
time and quit gawking to find other peoples faults. I can't imagine having nothing
better to do.
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We've been on 2 cruises. First one was Carnival, second was Celebrity. In 16 days we leave on another Carnival. Why? Because the alternative dining options on Celebrity were limited and on a 12 day cruise, we got tired of dressing up every night. Common courtesy prohibited us from dressing in jeans or challenging the expectation of the cruise line. However, we are the customer and when we were shopping for our next cruise, we choose to spend our vacation money on a cruise where we have a variety of dining options if we feel like staying casual. I just hope that we can still rely on our fellow vacationers to be courteous and respectful of other.

By the way...I checked the rules...there are no rules about bathing, but I sure hope my fellow cruisers bath once in awhile!
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Common courtesy is something that is welcomed from almost everybody. We all like it and appreciate it, reguardless who we are and what we are.

If someone is sitting on a park bench next to a water fountian reading a book, and I walk by with my boom box on my sholder blasting Van Haylen to stop a get a drink, I have an option. I can stop for a drink while I continue to blast my boom box, or I can turn the volume down or off while I drink.

Let's see, well its my boom box, I paid a lot of money for it. I really like Van Haylen, and the only why to enjoy Van Haylen is when the volume is cranked. Will I be an annoyance to the person on the bench? Ya maybe. But who cares about them. There are no signs that say I cant play my boom box, or even signs about quiteness. I can do what I want when I want. It's too bad.
or
I can turn off the boom box and, preserve the quiteness, drink my water and leave virtually un-noticed.

I would bet that if every single person on this thread was one on the bench, they would opt or the quiteness. Now that, all my friends, is "Common Courtesy".

So what's all the fuss about?



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Old January 16th, 2003, 12:02 AM
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THANK YOU!!!!!! AS a professional chef, I believe it's expected of me to wear the proper clothing, as is the wait staff. I agree that it would be rude to wear anything less and an insult to my patrons . Even at Mc D's and Burger King, the employees wear a proper uniform. Jeans have their place, but not in a nice dining room.
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HI! As much as you try and explain the logic of manners, the more those of low IQ will attack. My grandfather taught me this "Who is more foolish, the fool or the person who argues with the fool?". EVEN THOUGH, no one said anything to those who wore jeans, it will NEVER mean that it is a respected choice.
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