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Old January 20th, 2003, 07:31 AM
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My problem is smokers who refuse to smoke only in the areas where it is allowed, and does Carnaval enforce the policy in part " C" that they will disembark pasengers smoking in no-smoking areas? I have asthma and allergies and this has been a major problem in the past. We are booked on the Paradise, but would like to try other ships if possible.
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Old January 20th, 2003, 07:47 AM
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hunter,
I think that passengers like yourself is why the Paradise was invented. I also noted that Paradise has some awesome rates. You should know that if a place on shore that only seats 125 cant keep smokers from smoking in the non smoking section then a cruiseline has no shot at stopping 3400 from smoking in non designated areas.
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Old January 20th, 2003, 07:54 AM
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Quote from cruise director on the Paradise Feb. 2002. "having a smoking section in a club or reasturant, is like having a peeing section in the pool"
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Old January 20th, 2003, 12:54 PM
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They will not toss you from the ship if you light up in a non-smoking area on any ship other than the Paradise. They will promptly tell you that smoking isn't allowed there and ask you to extingush it.
Now on the Paradise, yes they mean exactly what they say about putting your butt, (no pun intended), off the ship at the next port if you even bring smoking materials onboard. No second chances, no appeal, you are off the ship period. That have done so in the past and will continue to do so anytime the no smoking rules on that ship are violated.
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Old January 20th, 2003, 06:58 PM
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We are going on the Paradise for the first time next month. We have sailed on several other Carnival ships (Fascination, Sensation and Destiny) and noticed the smoke but didn't have problems with it except near the casino and some bars.
My husband has similar allergies to smoke and hasn't really had to much of a problem. There are some rude smokers on the ship, but there are rude smokers everywhere.
I have watched strict enforcement of the non-smoking areas in the dining rooms and main show room. No one was removed from the ship but they were told to put it out and move on by the security folks.
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Old January 20th, 2003, 09:12 PM
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Hey, if they allow jeans on formal night, why can't this white trash smoke where I want too? Some people always follow the rules....just kidding
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Old January 21st, 2003, 11:18 AM
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I understand the problem. On our Conquest cruise (New Year's Eve) some woman (I refuse to call her a lady) almost put my 11 year old's eye out with her light cigerette because she was flapping her arms and waving her hands will she talked to a friend without any idea of where her light cig was going. Unfortunately, you are going to have idiots anywhere you go and I believe Carninal has done as good a job as possible under the circumstances.

I have written and suggested some ion air filtration units in the piano bar and smaller bars...because that is really the only place I have noticed excessive smoke. I don't gamble...so I don't know how bad it is in the casino. A good example of the great job they do controlling the smell whenever possible are the cabins themselves. I am very sensitive to the smell of smoke and I have never smelled a stinky cabin. I am thankful for the Paradise...but it is a little ridiculous that you have to be restricted to one ship because of the poor health habits of less than 25% of the population. And let's be realistic, if they don't care that they are killing themselves....they cerainly don't care if they are hurting you. As Dr. Phil said last week on his show....how smart are people that won't see their children grow up or their grandchildren, just so they can put a bunch of leaves in their mouths and then set them on fire!!!
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Old January 23rd, 2003, 02:58 PM
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No kidding! I have a nine-year-old with asthma, who has few problems except that cigarette smoking is one of his "triggers". We tried to book the Paradise, but it wouldn't work for the dates we need to sail, so we are on the Inspiration on March 23. Our TA insists that smoking should only be in the bar/casino areas - I hope so.

It's sad that some people have to put their addictions before the health/welfare of others. We'll just try to have Jamie avoid it the best we can.

It's not just the smoke, either. Every time we are in a crowd that's walking, like say, at an amusement park or similar venue, it never fails that someone with a lighted cigarette is swinging their arms around or whatever. Unfortunately, the lighted cigarette in their hand is just about eye-level with your toddler! I have never sued anyone in my life, but if some idiot burned my child in this fashion, I would sue them for everything they're worth (take note, smokers - it's really nothing personal - I grew up in a household where people smoked, but once you have children and they are vulnerable - it hacks you off. Your rights end where the safety and well-being of others begins).
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Old January 23rd, 2003, 03:26 PM
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RM; Because of my allergy (and my husbands aversion to tobacco smoke) we only cruise on the Paradise. In fact, we only vacation in non-smoking environments as well as dine out only in 100 % non-smoking restaurants. We won't even attempt to cruise on any other ship as we enjoy the casino and disco and refuse to pay for areas that we can not visit. Nor is it fair to alter our vacation and activities for someone's nicotine habit. We enjoy the whole cruise experience and want to take advantage of all it has to offer. It seems that Paradise's itinerary is changed quite a bit and hopefully the trend will continue. It would be neat if after several Caribbean years, Carnival would move it to perhaps Hawaii and then Alaska. We can only hope. If you have any Paradise questions, please feel free to ask. Have a great time.
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Old January 23rd, 2003, 04:38 PM
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Lol never fails.......always turns into smokers being the villians on cruise. People...people...people...99 percent of the smokers I have encountered on cruises smoke in the designated areas and are courteous to non smokers. So please give it a rest. It must be wonderful to be you.... to have no vices like over-eating (obesity)...drinking...smoking..be-littling others...womanizing...gambling...etc. This thread sounds like it should be on the gripes board <G>.

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Old January 23rd, 2003, 05:11 PM
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Rick: Get real. Only smoking has me on antibiotics for an ear infection after the 2nd day on board. The other habits only kill the people doing them. I have no problem with people who are stupid enough to kill themselves...but their "rights" stop where my nose begins where smoking is concerned. As Dr Phil said "Only stupid people would risk not seeing their children or grandchildren grow up so that they can stick a bunch of leaves in their mouths and set them on fire."

Julia: I am with you. I don't sue people, but someone burns my child and there won't be a court big enough.
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Old January 23rd, 2003, 05:36 PM
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Second-hand smoke causes ear infections? I have never heard that before. Why would you want to sail on ships that allow smoking given your questionable condition? When you book your cruise, you are aware that smokers will be aboard and can smoke in designated areas right? I dont think smokers on ship or anywhere are out to burn your child. Irresponsible drinkers only kill themselves? Of course they kill others. May I suggest that you avoid the designated smoking areas..that way I can enjoy my right to smoke without affecting your nose and ears. Really not trying to cause conflict here but just get a little tired of the smoker bashing I see on the board. Just avoid the designated smoking areas and if you see a rude smoker lighting up in a non-smoking area, notify a ship staff member...they are everywhere.

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Old January 23rd, 2003, 06:44 PM
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It's called free speech Rick, something both you and I fought for. <G> I smoked for 33 years and always thought I was being considerate and honestly tried to be. After quitting finally about 12 years ago I swore I would be very understanding of smokers and sympathize with their addiction as it really is a strong one. In the last five years I have become very sensitive to smoke and even thought I sympathize with those still addicted and hold my tongue when they are in designated areas, I do sometimes just have to leave the area and explain why, their smoke bothers me a lot. In addition, if they are not considerate and light up in areas that they are not supposed to I have the right to complain and I do. Many smokers do not believe it and I couldn't bring myself to believe it possible when I smoked, but I can tell when a smoker walks by me, even outdoors, as the odor is very distinctive.
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Old January 23rd, 2003, 07:04 PM
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Rick,
You have no idea how deadly your addiction is to people around you. Yes we can , and do get sinus infections from your smoke. We were on the Norway, I got sick the first day out. The infection lasted 7 weeks, I was on antibiotics the whole time. I ended up with hearing loss in my left ear. If the 70% of us that don't smoke would be more willing to stand up for our rights, Rick might live longer, breath better air, enyoy the food, and for the first time in his life smell the rose's. You will not meet me on one of your cruises, We too will only travel smoke free. Thank Carnival for the Paradise.
And Rick, do you pee in the pool too??????
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Old January 23rd, 2003, 10:11 PM
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Rick, ? Smoking is not a laughing matter. Nor are the problems that come from it. Believe it or not, there are many people who do have real problems because of tobacco smoke.
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Old January 23rd, 2003, 10:17 PM
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Do I pee in the pool........lol Cause I smoke...I pee in the pool? Rmc...no I don't know how deadly second hand smoke is...please tell me and please back up your information with something other than your likes or dislikes? Actually, since I only smoke in designated smoking areas that question is mute. Sorry, I do not believe you got a sinus infection JUST from second hand smoke on the FIRST cruise day that required antibiotics for Seven weeks and caused you a hearing loss. One reason I don't believe that is because my next door neighbor is a Doctor (Internal Medicine) and before answering your post, I asked him about your statement. Free medical advice....yes second hand smoke can cause sinus irritation to SOME people if exposed to a large concentration or exposed over a period of time...however if you were on antibiotics for an infection lasting SEVEN weeks ..suffered hearing loss then the Doctor would think there is MORE going on with that then just some second hand smoke. Sounds like you are not in very good health. I recommend you have a physical soon.

"Rick might live longer, breath better air, enyoy the food, and for the first time in his life smell the rose's. You will not meet me on one of your cruises..."

<G> Rick just had a physical and is in excellant health...I smell roses all the time (Debs favorite flower)...no one enjoys food more than me because of 22 years of mess halls and C-rats <G>...I will live as long as I live <G>....I am sorry we will never meet on a cruise because Deb and I are very nice people and would treat you with more respect than you showed me in your post.

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Old January 23rd, 2003, 10:38 PM
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Here we go again. Non smokers have all the rights, smokers have none. I am so tired of this crap. Leave me alone with my smokes. I only smoke in areas where permitted. How about showing me a little consideration? all I can say is, if smoke bothers you so much, don't go.
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Old January 24th, 2003, 02:56 AM
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I agree, Denny. The only thing worse than a reformed hooker is a reformed smoker...

P-A-R-A-D-I-S-E . . . write it down folks. Bargain prices on this ship. You can waddle around this ship, throw down your 20 gin and tonics and eat yourself into oblivion. And call it being healthy.

To those more reasonable people who don't like smoke on the ships I cruise, you'll note I never smoke in undesignated areas, even ask someone in smoking areas if they aren't smoking if the smoke will bother them before I light up.

I seldom drink, run 4-5 miles every day, can bench my own weight (roughly only 1% of the adult male population can do that) and I'm going to be 64 years old this Fall ! !

I have a severe addiction to nicotine. I've tried almost everything to shake it, but I smoke. That's that ! !

When you're ready to give up your fat and cholestrol laden foods, stop drowning your brain in alcohol, and run up stairs on cruise ships like I do, then I'll take you seriously. Otherwise, I'll spell it out once again: P-A-R-A-D-I-S-E

Give 'em hell, Rick.

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Old January 24th, 2003, 07:07 AM
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Rick,
If you are what you say in your post, please forgive me. You are a one of a kind smoker, and we never met anyone like you on any sailing we have been on.

Paradise 2-03
Paradise 2-02
Paradise 2-01
Mercury 2-98
Norway 2-97
Dreamward 2-96
Nordic Empress 2-95
Tropicale 2-94
Celebration 4-93

You need to get a different doctor before that one kills you. The only health hazard I face every day , indeed every where we go, other than our own home, is smoking
They told my father he was in good health, until he died of lung cancer
They told my mother she was in good health, until she died of lung cancer
7 aunts and uncles, all smokers.

The pool thing is not mine.....cruise director Paradise 2 of 02---"Having a smoking section anywhere on a ship is like having a peeing section in the pool"
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Old January 24th, 2003, 07:26 AM
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Gary, when lung cancer comes it comes fast, and it is not a good way to go. I wish you a happy birthday now (just in case)

By the way ,I was a gymnast and can press my body weight and yours, but I am only 55.

I see from your post you were up all night smoking.
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Rick, i quit smoking 12 yrs ago. But i would never tell anyone they are bothering me with there smoking. I believe we all have rights. We all have choices. I chose not to smoke anymore. that doesnt give me a license to tell others what to do. give them Hell rick! Love to know where the Pee in the Pool comes from!??????? HAHA Char
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Ty Char .
To all the non smokers who are allergic to smoke...I say I am sorry you have an allergy. That said, I can only answer for me personally, I don't contribute to your problem. I only smoke in designated areas. If you have such a big problem with smokers, avoid places where smoking is allowed..petition the cruise lines for non smoking cabins..more non smoking ships. A cruise is no different than anything else you buy in that you can give your business to the ship/line you like. To come here and critize smokers..tell them they are going to die prematurely.....accuse them of pee ing in pools (lol)...call them names....does not solve your suspected medical problems or stop people from smoking. All it does is create an atmosphere of hostility. In closing, I am surprised that a board monitor has'nt said that this thread would be better suited for debate on the "gripes" board. In the words of 1 great smoker "can't we all just get along"?......Also, all this negativety is bringing me down and we are only a few days from our Mercury cruise. Please stop or all this negativety may affect my slot play EVEN with my lucky hat. We love you guys........even the non smokers <VBG>

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Old January 24th, 2003, 06:53 PM
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Thanks, RMCHUNTER . . . .

You make a very valid point... (West coast time was 12:56pm however).

The new inhaler is getting very good reports (cigarette like inhaler that is loaded with nicotine - you get the nicotine, your lungs don't get the smoke). Similar to the "patch", but I'm told has better results for the "manipulative" smoker.

Thanks again for your post.

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Rick,
I hope you have the best cruise ever. We sailed the Mercury and it was one of our favorites. The food, service,crew, and ship, were all 10s. Have a safe trip.
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Old January 25th, 2003, 09:56 AM
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Geez, "Rick", if posts containing opinions from people you don't even know can "bring you down" so much, maybe you have other issues besides smoking and being very defensive about it..

The U.S. is still a free country; nobody is debating your right to smoke. If it sounds "negative" to you, perhaps it's just because people get defensive about their health and the health of their children (and just because you have a doctor for a neighbor doesn't mean he is able to diagnose or comment on the health of individuals he's never even met!).

Not everybody can sail the Paradise for a variety of reasons. If you smoke in only designated areas, great! Unfortunately in society, other smokers are not so courteous.

As far as your opinion that people should not voice their anxiety about encountering second hand smoke on a cruise that may make them or their children ill, what better place to be talking about that issue than on a "cruise message board".

Have a wonderful cruise! And I do trust that you don't "pee in the pool".

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Thanks rmchunter..Deb and I are very excited about going on the Mercury. PLUS it will be our 1st Balcony cabin! Everyone says we will be spoiled and will always want a Balcony after this cruise so not sure it was a good idea to get a balcony..lol. Anyway, thanks so much for your praise of the Mercury and wishing us the best cruise ever. Very nice.


O'BrienLads ...you are REALLY bringing me down <G>

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Wow, you got sick the first day out that turned into a 7 week infection and eventual hearing loss from second hand smoke? Had you never been in a bar before, or restaurant, or mall, or home of a smoker? This infection was caused by smoke?

I'm curious how you determined the infection was smoke induced. It couldn't have possibly come from germs could it?

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Old January 28th, 2003, 02:36 PM
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I think your grips are being focused all wrong. It is Carnival that you should be discussing the matter with.

Carnival is the only cruise line that has a non-smoking ship---the Paridise.

It is their lowest profit ship--lower casino revenues, lower bar sales, etc. and having to heavily discount fares to fill the ship. Profits are the movtive. The cruise ship industry sails the high seas in international waters (no US restrictions would be applicable to smoking) and other than some restrictions on smoking in areas of flamability mandated internationally for safety, I do not believe that any company is going to remove 25% of their market by banning smoking on cruise ships. And that figure is smokers only, not the vast majority of people who could care to any significant degree what others do.

Carnival bans smoking in the dining areas, show lounges, elevators, shops, etc., but will allow smoking in the other areas. If you have such an aversion to smelling smoke, cruise the Paradise, and then go home to your plastic bubble with HEPA filtered air and live out your life. No other cruise company has a smoke-free ship. WHY?? Because it is not profitable to do so.

Yes we are smokers, but do observe non-smoking areas because we agree that certain places make it uncomfortable to other who do not smoke. Don't trample our rights either, as many wish would happen. People vote with their dollars. Boycott the cruise industry if so desire. Start a public movement to do so. However, don't whine. Business understands dollars. That should be your format for the change you desire. Absent that, your alternative is only to complain when someone violattes the cruise ship rules.

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As a Respiratory Therapist I owe my profession to smokers.

An idea: Why not have an all smoking ship!!
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