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Old February 5th, 2003, 11:39 AM
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I did not want to include this experience in my other message (Sorry that Carnival was a "let down") because I feel that it could happen on any cruise line and don't feel that this bad experience happened necessarily because it was a Carnival cruise. Anyway, we decided to go to the late night comedy act because several people on the various message boards said it was a "must see". First of all, the comedian was really bad (and much "raunchier" then we expected) which we knew from almost his first few bad jokes. Anyway, the Universe show lounge is set up with several tables in back that seat entire families and in front of them (but still a part of the tables) are small couches. While sitting there and hoping that the act would get better, two guys totally unrelated to us sat in the couch part. We were all talking and sometimes laughing amongst ourselves when suddenly one of the two guys stood up turned around and literally screamed at us to shut up. We were in shock and did quiet down though we made a few comments out loud that THEY sat at our table (there were plenty of other places for them to sit). My nephew though wanted to be polite and so a few minutes later he tapped the guy on the shoulder and apologized (which we did not feel he needed to do because after all, they sat at our table). This time the guy "shot" up like a maniac and started screaming "don't touch me, just stay away from me, etc. etc.". He went totally ballistic (like a pit bull on crack or something). And you could tell he wanted to start a fight. We were upset that my nephew even tried to apologize and I do not believe it would have even happened if the rest of our group had been there (unfortunately most of the big men in my family had already retired to bed and it was only five of us women and my nephew who is small). But my question is, how should we have handled it better? Truthfully, he was probably drunk. He also looked like he may have been on steroids or something. Either way, he was definitely looking for a fight. We ended up telling our nephew to just not bother trying to be nice and then my nephew had to leave because he was pretty furious (and did not want to get into a fight). But again, how should we have handled it?
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Old February 5th, 2003, 12:11 PM
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The obvious answer is call security. I would also suggest that your nephew enroll in a self defense class and never tap an obviously unstable person on the shoulder.

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Old February 5th, 2003, 01:25 PM
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You are correct the passenger was out of line by shouting at you and talking to your nephew in a threatening manner. If he thought you were to loud he should have asked you politely to quiet down. I also agree that your nephew did not need to apologize that was a kind gesture on his part. When the rude man did respond the way he did and if he had continued to threaten or shout at you I would deffinately have talked to someone in the crew about his behavior. I personally would have probably gotten in his face but that would be the WRONG thing to do and I also am big enough, strong enough and trained enough to take care of myself. I tend to have a short fuse at times. As I said that would still have been the WRONG thing to do on my part.

I however think, this is just my opinion and I may be wrong, that the empty seats that he sat in were not really yours even though they may have been attached to the tables you were using. It would have been nice of them to ask if the seats were available but they were empty and not in use. Yes they could have moved to another area if there were some available seats but for some reason they chose those seats.

I am glad you did quiet down some when requested to even though it was done rudely. I do feel however even though you did not enjoy the comedian others may have been enjoying the comedian and if you are talking during the show that it should be kept very low keyed so others are not bothered. If a person does have some hearing problems the added conversation can distract them from hearing what they really want to hear.

I am not trying to flame you and by you not continuing to interact with the rude passenger you probably did the right thing. You were on vacation and did not need a fight or even the aggravation that was already caused to you by the passenger.

I hope next time you find a cruise much more to your liking and I wish you the best. I also hope you do not have anymore problems with drunk passengers. As you said they can be on any cruise not just Carnival.
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Old February 5th, 2003, 01:35 PM
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PEB,
It was very obvious that the couch was a part of our table. Also, it is one large table with cushions in a circle and then a couch attached in front. And though we were talking it was very much to ourselves and we were way in the back, pretty secluded and no where near the comedian. I think that is the worst part. We are still clueless as to why these two guys picked our table or would even sit there when there were tons of other seats (and many that were much closer to the comedian. And we really did not realize how psycho he was until he went totally ballistic when my nephew tapped him on the shoulder and apologized. Think of the worst and craziest person you have encountered in a place like NYC or any very low class bar and that was him. I am still stunned.
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Old February 5th, 2003, 02:24 PM
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I am sorry to hear about your problems with those imbeciles. My guess is that Carnival could have kicked those two off the ship. Like I have said in prior post, this late night vulgar comedy show attracts real low lifes. I do not understand why the world's most progressive cruiseline wishes to market itself to such a trashy and crass crowd by promoting this late night filth. Garbage attracts flys!!!
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Old February 5th, 2003, 02:31 PM
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They could have asked politely for quiet but they shouldn't have had to ask at all. You were at a show, they and everyone else has the right to hear the show no matter how bad you thought it was. Sorry but this is a pet peeve of mine, people talking in theatres, movies and comedy acts.
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Old February 5th, 2003, 02:37 PM
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"Like I have said in prior post, this late night vulgar comedy show attracts real low lifes. "

Thoth....bet you are a barrel of laughs on a cruise <G>

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Old February 5th, 2003, 03:30 PM
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I must have misunderstood. I got the impression that they were facing away from you watching the show. To me this means that the couch is not a part of the table even if it is attached. To be part of the table all the seats would face the table in my mind.

As I said I am not trying to flame you or argue with you. I was not there so I really do not have the whole story. I do feel if a show is going on regardless of where you sit in the room talking can bother other people around you especially if you are carrying on a conversation and not just a quick comment about what is going on in the room.

I do believe the men were rude and did not need to treat you the way they did. If it was me and your talking was interfering with my hearing the show I would have asked you politely to please keep it quieter. I would not have been as polite if I had to ask more than once, which you admit quieting down so it would not have been necessary to ask again.

Yes they had the option to sit elsewhere but you state you did not like the show and there was a show going on so you did have the option to leave and go to another area to hold your conversation.

Again I wish you the best and hope you find a cruise that is right for you the next time. I am also glad we can agree to disagree on the talking in the showroom.
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Old February 5th, 2003, 03:37 PM
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Jen,
The behaviour displayed by that individual was unacceptable and you all did the right thing by at least trying to be nice, unlike him. Like PEB, I would have been hard pressed to keep my cool but he is correct that physical contact would have been wrong unless actually attacked. The only thing else that I think you should have done is report this action to security. They sound like they were loose cannons. Take heart though as I have found that those with the most bluster are usually full of themselves and mostly mouth.
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Old February 5th, 2003, 04:20 PM
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This might have been a first for me. But I rather doubt it. I don't know why my post was deleted...............because I posted f@rt????

But if that's too racy for this board I guess I can clean it up and say that if I were you I would have asked all the women at the table to break out all the perfume they have and pour it on themselves to drive these imbeciles away. Drunken men can't stand the overwhelming smell of perfume. It is nauseating!

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Old February 5th, 2003, 04:24 PM
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thoth,
I too do not understand why they had such a vulgar comedian (he said the F word constantly and made the same filthy gesture repeatedly in the short time we stayed)). I enjoy a comedian and don't mind a little bit of risky humor which is what we expected (as I never imagined they would have someone so vulgar on a cruise ship). Actually we all left soon after the "incident" except for two in our group (who were stubborn and refused to let the two rude guys think they had scared us away). The two that stayed said that the 2 rude guys left soon after my nephew and we did. Therefore, again, I believe they were just looking for a fight. And again though we were talking it was nothing that would have disturbed anyone except someone amongst our own table. The couch was a part of our table because all other seats were a distance from it. There was no reason for them to be there. And again, we quieted down and my nephew (unnecessarily) tried to apologize. If I am disturbing someone, I don't mind (and believe they have the right) to ask me to please be quiet, but this guy was not normal. He was an extremely disturbed (dare I say "low life") looking for a fight. And sadly he must be a very unhappy person to act that way. I was not particularly happy with many things on this cruise, particularly the drunk guys that "mooned" others on the Lido deck while there were children around but I would not dream of running over to the "mooners" and screaming like a maniac. But again, I do not blame Carnival for the actions of these people. I just wanted some opinions on what others think would have been the best way to handle it . Thanks to all for your thoughts and I do hope I never have to encounter such a crude person again.
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Old February 5th, 2003, 04:30 PM
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Thomas clean up your act fellow! lol

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Old February 5th, 2003, 04:47 PM
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Robo's getting a little sensitive I guess! It was not a direct attack, blasphemous, or rumor mongering so I think it was not in violation of the rules.

But those who have their finger on the delete button have unbridled power.

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Old February 5th, 2003, 05:00 PM
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You think so? Probably just a glitch in the system. I can't see why the post would have intentionally been deleted. Say it aint so....something don't smell right here! <G>

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Old February 5th, 2003, 05:27 PM
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The thing I do not understand JenS is, if you were offended by the commedian..why did you not run out of there immediately after the first cuss word that offended you? As for me, I like that kind of comedy, and I do not consider myself a "low life", I enjoy fun, and I hope I get mooned on my upcoming cruise!!!!!
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Old February 5th, 2003, 05:32 PM
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I 'm sorry for your incident!! I really don't know how I would have handled it!! I do have a question?? What does someone look like when they are on steroids?
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Old February 5th, 2003, 06:21 PM
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I was not referring to "low life" in regards to those watching the comedy. It was in reference to the actions of this guy who seemed to purposely come to our table and try to start a fight. And I am not a "prude" but just repeating the "F" word and making gestures (actually the same one) was not funny. And I did leave not just because of the incident but also because the comedian was not at all funny, just vulgar. As to my steroid comment, of course, I do not know for sure that he was on steroids but he was extremely "bulked up" and had a huge neck. Also, I guess we thought maybe he was on steroids because they say steroids make people "hyper and combative", sort of like a pitbull gone totally "mad" and that was the way he acted. I am telling you, I have never seen anyone act the way this guy did.
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Old February 5th, 2003, 07:08 PM
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Thomas,
As I am unable to send you a direct reply through e-mail I guess I will have to reply here. Yes, that post was a little too crude for a family type board. Remember that kids also read these boards. We take any deletion of any post very seriously and try not to delete if at all possible but we also have the task of making sure the boards are "G" rated. Me sensitive? Hardly, 7 years as a sailor and 15 as a street cop I have pretty much heard it all. We do however have to look at it from a family viewpoint.
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I would have to agree with Salem. Why would you hang out in a show that you found offensive? Kind of like the judge that has to watch the porno flick 7 times to determine that its pornographic. . .
The ship usually goes to great lengths to warn you against attending and hearing or seeing anything that might offend you.

I also enjoy these late night "R" rated comedy shows. Sometimes the comedian isn't quite up to George Carlin's high standards <grin> but I've always found them amusing. Most of the times I've attended, the room was absolutely packed to overflowing.

One of the times I was leaving the San Pedro dock on the JUBILEE, a large sailboat was approaching the ship on our port fore quarter. Waiting until the last minute this 60 foot sailboat made an abrupt turn back away from the JUBILEE upon which the helmsman blew his whistle and 12 running, laughing crewmates emerged from the cabin of this sailboat, lined up on the gunwale and MOONED THE ENTIRE PORT SIDE OF THE JUBILEE. . .ALL the passengeres screamed, hooted and laughed hysterically. A little Grandmother was standing near me explaining everything about this beautiful sailboat to her 8 year old grandchildren when this suddenly occurred. She looked at me and smiled and said, "Well, now I've got something to explain to these two tonight". She was delighted to be among such youthful, exuberant
"naughty" passengers. I was too. <grin>

Thomas, you came miles from offending me, but as the saying goes, "Its their website, they make the rules". Are you sure you weren't pulling our finger.....er leg ? <grin>

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Old February 6th, 2003, 05:38 AM
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Gary,
You must have missed my post above in which I stated that we did leave. I also guess I should not have mentioned the kind of show I was at because it seems to have side tracked why original question as to "how others would have handled a rude Psycho (looking for a fight)?"
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O.K.

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Old February 6th, 2003, 03:43 PM
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As a matter of fact I am a barrel of laughs on a cruise. But i do not find F#@K a witty word!
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Old February 6th, 2003, 04:01 PM
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I feel that you will have better luck next time you cruise. In general, ships have a way of attracting some very freindly people. By the way, the early "family" comedy shows were hilarious and the patrons were, shall I say, more civilized. Your nephew showed class by attempting to make peace.
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Ironically, one of the most versatile words in the English language . . . .
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Old February 8th, 2003, 01:55 AM
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EEECK !!! Jim, you were a squid? I thought Sailors always fought their way out of the bar? Honestly, I agree with your assessment. Loud and drunk may seem a little frightening, but the quiet ones are the one's to watch out for, because they are planning out their attack. I just let hot air blow by. Dennis- USS Forrestal, also former SP.
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Old February 8th, 2003, 07:20 AM
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I think if you dont like the F word that you may want to stick to the family comedy show. It's a fact that the late night comedian on all ships are R rated. They are advertised as such. Thats why its for adults only.
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Dennis,
AFPD Guam, M.I. Dec 1970- May 1971 Rest of the time, 1968-1975 I was a spook and if I told you where I was I'd have to kill you. <>
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