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Old December 1st, 2003, 02:57 PM
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HELP !! Leaving on Saturday morning and came across a question regarding acceptable birth certificates. Normally people have either raised seal certificates from the county court house, or the original b/c.... One of our party has what he describes as a 'watermark' birth certificate.... Is this acceptable ? Immediate response will be very helpful !!

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Old December 1st, 2003, 03:26 PM
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If that is what is issued by his state of birth then it is, of otherwise not. Not all states issue raised seal.
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Old December 1st, 2003, 07:17 PM
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what state? I would think it would be fine as long as it is not a copy of
his birth certificate. Every states are different.
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Old December 1st, 2003, 08:58 PM
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Hi,

I am a travel agent and cruise specialist and I am happy to help you! Technically, you need an official, original birth certificate issued directly from the government agency in your place of birth. They may not have a raised seal, but they will have a stamp or other sort official verification of its authenticity. A certificate with a watermark can be purchased, generically, at any office supply store, so it probably won't be accepted by the security and immigration personnel

Call the agency that issues the birth certificates, explain the situation and ask what they suggest. You might need to have the official copy sent to you by Federal Express overnight service.

Good luck! Have a great day!
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Old December 2nd, 2003, 07:36 AM
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Hi,

Here was my problem. I had a very old photocopy of my birth certificate, which was a copy of my original birth certificate on microfisch <~~Spelled Corrected??? It was the only copy I had and because I didn't live close to my homestate and kind of refused to pay $50 or $60 bucks for another photocopy from one of the online birth certificate places I just took it, along with my social security card, a drivers license, and an old military ID of mine.

I'm not saying anything about the security of boarding ships, what I'm saying is that I tucked the military ID in pocket just as a backup because I know it's an acceptable form of id along with a drivers license. But I presented only my copy of the birth certificate, drivers license and credit card and I got everything I needed to board the ship.

Maybe I just got lucky? Who knows.
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Old December 2nd, 2003, 12:48 PM
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Okay, here is the way it is. Photocopies are NOT acceptable. Military ID's are NOT acceptable proof of citizenship. You MUST have an original issued birth certificate from your state of birth or official town records and NOT a hospitial issued BC. Some states have a raised seal, some have fancy scrollwork, some have watermarks and all are acceptable. You also must have a government issued photo ID with your official BC such as a drivers license. Voter registration, Social Security cards, phone bills, etc are not acceptable. The best thing to have is a Passport as they are acceptable worldwide.
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Old December 2nd, 2003, 01:29 PM
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WOW?? A Military ID isn't a government issued document? Who issues them, Dr. Suess? all the NOT's in upper case letters are not really necessary.. I'm just telling you, if you've read my post, that I had a copied birth certificate with no raised seal, a driver's license, a social security card, and a credit card. And I was allowed to board the ship.
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Old December 2nd, 2003, 01:40 PM
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I had a neat, original 48 year old certificate from the Marines.. I was born on a base, and it even had my feetprints, mom's fingerprints, etc.. but was not acceptable for a passport. I contacted the state, and they sent me this lousy piece of blue paper, but it was good as gold... and was not that expensive

Long story short... a passport is the best...
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Old December 2nd, 2003, 01:45 PM
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i have used a old Military Birth Certificate issued out of Germany for travel for 10+. It doesnt appear to have a raised seal but I have never been questioned on this before!
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Old December 2nd, 2003, 02:25 PM
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Just checking regarding the birth cert, I had copies made of my children for our upcoming cruise, had a notary sign off with a raised seal - will this be accepted?
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Old December 2nd, 2003, 04:23 PM
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I suppose it could vary from state to state, but I don't see what the big deal is getting a certified copy from your state! I simply CALLED the Bureau of Vital Statistics for the county in which I was born, they gave me an address, I sent them a mere $10 and 3 days later I had a certified (with raised seal) birth certificate.

One phone call, one stamp, $10 and 3 days. Not too bad.....

And YES a passport is better, but to the tune of $90 (includes picture....) and a much longer wait.

Call your county....

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Old December 2nd, 2003, 04:32 PM
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Jim
I think you might be mistaken on the military ID the below is from Carnival's web site (the new section that covers the fun pass.)


Required Travel Documentation


Proper travel documentation is the responsibility of the guest and is required at embarkation and throughout the cruise. Guests traveling without proper
documentation will not be allowed to board
the vessel, and will not be refunded the cruise fare.

Documents must be presented at the time of embarkation.

United States citizens need at least one of the following
A passport (valid or expired for less than 10 years)
An original birth certificate and photo I.D.
A state-issued certified copy of a birth certificate from the
Department of Health and Vital Statistics and photo I.D.
A U.S. Military ID (no dependent IDs)
Valid, unexpired U.S. Multiple Re-Entry Visa, if applicable
Aliens eligible to apply for admission under the Visa Waiver Pilot Program must have a valid unexpired passport
Original Naturalization papers
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Old December 2nd, 2003, 07:42 PM
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You can be in the military and not be a U.S. citizen. Also why do you have an old military I.D. card they are suppose to be turned in.

My parents were given a certificate of registration when I was born. Good enough to get me in the Navy but it didn't work when I needed a passport. The state issued birth certificate just gave the date I was born, didn't even lists my parents.

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Old December 2nd, 2003, 09:22 PM
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Jim
Just reread this thread. I did not see the part of the old military ID. Your right about an old military ID being no good, in fact if memory serves me right one could be in trouble for just possessing an old military ID as sls points out.
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Old December 2nd, 2003, 09:49 PM
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I just went through this mad dash last minute B.C. rage myself! Our trip is 01/02/04.
After reading the boards about the proper raised seal I decided to take a look at my Ca state authorized BC I sent for in 1987. It doesn't have the raised seal,but, is purple ink stamped & notarized by the registrar-recorder. I took it to a local TA who looked at it as if it were a creature from outer space! Ugh!
Ca laws have changed & you must have your birth certificate request form notorized & fisible on fax. It was 18.00 for BC . 18.00 for speedy delivery. You can go through vital check 800-255-2414 expect a 20 min hold. This is my 1 st cruise & I decided it was worth the extra cash to have no worries. Good Luck!

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Old December 3rd, 2003, 06:03 AM
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Yes, a military ID is issued by the US Government but it is not proof of US Citizenship. Many ex-military and current military personel are not US Citizens. Being a former Military personel does not give you permission to travel and/or enter the USA. Ask the many ex-USN Phillipinos. They need a Passport now I believe. As for the reason the 'nots' are in capitials, yes it is necessary as I would hate to see someone denied boarding because they received incorrect information. You should not have been allowed onboard with your documents and I find it hard to understand how you slipped through if you did this after 9/11/01.
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Old December 3rd, 2003, 08:10 AM
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I don't think I slipped through anything, as a matter of fact I walked into the atrium on both feet with a real steady balance. You hear the stories everyday of security not being what it was for the 1 or 2 days following 9/11. Being at 388 Greenwhich Street on Sept. 11th. I don't think anyone who wasn't there can make comments about security after that date.

You may think you know security because at airports the lines are longer and they make you take off your shoes, or because instead of having x-ray machines behind the scenes, they pull them out in the lobby to "show" we're more concerned about the security of our nation but with as many open borders as America has, save the 9/11 comments for someone less educated. We had knowledge an attack was looming, but did what about it? And prosecuted how many terrorists since 9/11, 1 - Moussaoui , can anyone name any others? Sadaam? BinLaden? Give me a break !!!

Old Military ID - Oh yeah, I did serve my country and you know what I got when I honorably discharged??? Can anyone guess? How about a ID Card set to expire 7 years later and a DD214 that stated that for the next 7 years we have the right to call you back into the military for any reason we see fit. Don't call us, we'll call you! When I got home I made sure that I didn't get married, have kids or form any bonds in my community until that ID expired because those are the reserve members who seem to get pulled back first in warmtime, then I threw the ID in a drawer and left it there until I saw that it was a valid form of ID for embarking the ship. I didn't make that rule, if you have a problem with Carnival accepting military ID as a form of US Citizenship, you're barking up the wrong tree - I suggest you move, you're about to get pissed on.

Read my post, it states, " Author: Darrick (63.173.47.---)
Date: 12-02-03 06:36 - I had a copied birth certificate with no raised seal, a driver's license, a social security card, and a credit card. And I was allowed to board the ship."

Someone else used an old military BC issued in Germany with no raised seal. Go figure!

My last statements on this issue are: I never said it was the norm, I simply stated the facts in my situation.
My last conclusion on this issue is: Maybe the embarkation employees know a little bit more about spotting phoney documents than I do.
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