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Old April 22nd, 2004, 03:07 PM
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Marycruiser,

Prostitution and heroin usage is also legal in some countries. Does that mean you would be a heroin-addict and a hooker if you lived there? If that's your only requirement for your actions, Denmark would be an exciting country for you!

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Some interesting yet naive answers.

You will not be thrown in jail for bringing a joint on board. Even in the harshest of countries it is a violation, lower than a misdemeanor. You will receive a fine and that is it.

I like the comparisons to the recovering alcoholics, the drunk teenagers, and the addicted gamblers throwing their money away. I really didn't hear any responses to those answers.

I'm not saying to bring it on board, I'm just stating the fact that you will not burn in hell, you will not rot away in a foreign prison "if you live through it" was one answer that I heard. I'm just stating the facts that there's a world for of hypochrites out there. They tell you how bad everything is while they puff on a cigarette (lung cancer) , swig a beer (cirrohsis (sp?) of the liver), cheat on their spouse (don't even need to touch that one).

Marijuana is a naturally growing plant. That's all, a plant that grows in a field. It's been here longer than man. It was not manufactured in a lab, or someone's basement. It was put here by the same being who created the earth.

Lighten up people. Live and let live. Stop to smell the roses. Toke up a doobie once in a while.

I bet the world would get along a lot better if everyone did.
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If something that's considered an illegal substance in the U.S. happened to be legal in another country that the ship stopped in, then it would be legal as long as you didn't bring it back onto the ship. Of course, you would need to check the laws of each country to determine that. However, if you have a legal prescription for a medicine with that substance in it, then it would be okay on the ship. An exception to that would be if you had a legal prescription for Marijuana from California. It's my understanding that's only legal within that state.
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Shubaby - I was just throwing in the breast feeders to make my point - what's good for the goose is NOT always good for the gander - get it? And by the way, I am not high, but hard at work at a job where I hold much responsibility. And when all of you law-abiding citizens drive home tonight, be sure to stay well within the speed limit, don't use your cell phones behind the wheel, and don't break any other laws no matter how minute because after all, a law is a law, and you would be a hypocrite to break one....no matter how stupid you might think it to be.
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Shubaby,

Let's sing a song together....bad boys, bad boys, whatcha gonna do, whatcha gonna do when they coming for you.

Now wasn't that relaxing. Now you won't be so uptight.

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Let's pick one country you might cruise to and look at how the law would be enforced .
In Jamaica, under the Dangerous Drug Act, possesion can result in a fine of up to $500,000 and up to three years imprisonment. That is for POSSESSION. More fun if you have it in quantity deemed to be for sale . Then there are laws about smuggling.
Look you guys smoke, don't smoke. Your choice. Don't try and equate it to chair saving
or drinking or any other act you find morally incorrect.
In the US it is illegal . On a cruise ship it will be treated as illegal. Even if the consequences are slight (which they are not , but let's presume they will be) the one consequence you do not want to deal with is to be standing before the magistrate to pay your little fine while the ship is sailing to the next port without you.
Travel to Denmark or Sweden or the Netherlands if you need to do weed when you travel.
Doing it on a cruise ship, knowing that harsh consequences are likely ,simply makes you stupid. Then again doing the drugs already makes you stupid, so what the heck , go for it.
Please everyone note the title of this thread "illegal drugs". There is nothing cute , funny,
or acceptable about the use of drugs. ANY DRUGS. Those of you who "use" will make excuses for it. You have already justified drug use in your own mind and morality.
Just remeber the title of this thread.
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don't get to likin them too much... i just got a nasty gram from the powers that be.
i can only kid around with a select few?????


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Since NONE of us seem to know (that includes you Erwin) what the penalities actually *are* for possesion in the many, many countries the cruiselines visit, it would seem foolish to take the risk.

It sounds as though Jamaica feels a little stronger about it than a "small fine."

Those drug sniffing dogs know their stuff - don't ruin your vacation.

And by the way, small fine or big fine, do you think the ship will WAIT for you while you pay up and sort it all out? Nope. Even if you had the money to pay the fine, don't assume the wheels of justice *anywhere* turn quickly. By the time you settled up, you'd be wondering how you're going to afford that plane ticket back to the US.

Why take a chance on ruining a wonderful cruise vacation?

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I agree with Dorothy. It's a ridiculous chance to take no matter how you look it at. In the state that I live in, if you're caught with weed (and that's not the specified "illiegal substance") in you're vehicle, you're going to jail. Probably in most states, if you're caught, you are going to jail. Yes, lots of people do it, and to each his own. But think of it like this, if you could get in trouble for something you do on land, you can get in just as much trouble at sea.
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There was two young women on our deck on the Grand Princess who smoked like a chimneys. The smell of pot was so strong people next to them called security. Our cabin steward told my wife and I they were keeping an eye on them. He checked their room every time he cleaned it. Any evidence he found was given to security. I have seen this happen twice. On the last day of the cruise federal agents pull your baggage and will take you in cuffs when you least expect it. These young women were in jail even before we woke up and prepared to leave the ship. They don't throw anyone a break.
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If you smoke a joint on the smoke free Paradise
you get put on 'double secret probation'.

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Tia, Mary, & Erwin,

You all sound like fun intelligent people. Would love to party with you all sometime, however, with so many snitches on board. I would be very hesitant to bring it on the ship. My wife and I went on our first cruise 2 years ago and she smelled it when I opened the balcony door.Someone close by was indulging. As far as I know, no one was pinched.

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I just don't get it...if getting high is what you want to do, why pick a venue where it is not really appropriate. There are a lot of children on board and the demographic is not really one of the Sunfest in Jamaica.

It is like going to Disney World and getting high.

If you are looking for a big crowd of pot smokers on a cruise ship, you are going to be sorely dissapponted. I would not appreciate you being in the cabin next to me on a balcony. I wouldn't turn you in, but I would hate to smell your smoke.

Please don't tell me that pot is mainstream in the USA because it is not. Most company's now have Drug Free workplaces. Also that age old...."it is not worse than drinking" thing bears no fruit. No one ever said drinking is good for you.

I just think that a cruise ship is the wrong place for the use of illegal, recreational drugs. I would not be pleased to have two stoned people at my table with the glazed over look. If you think others can't tell, you are wrong.

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Old April 23rd, 2004, 07:59 PM
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I love when people say pot is safe and should be legal. Pot leads to more serious drugs which lead to death or brain damae. Not true? I know more than a handful of people in my own town who died because illegal drugs. Some people should get real.
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O.K................I've avoided this thread until now. You cannot say weed leads to more dangerous drugs because you know a few people who have died or sustained brain damage from harder drugs. I know people who've never done anything other than pot and are not using now who are highly successful people who operate multi-unit stores with revenues in the 10's of millions. I also know our president of the U.S. smoked pot. I also know people who began by drinking a beer and are now consumed with a bottle of rum every night. Some people have a propensity to continue on to the more intense high, and some do not. It does not matter the drug, be it pharmaceutical, herbal, distilled, or organic.

However, if you are busted in some of these foreign countries the penalties are severe. You may be behind bars for years with little recourse. In some Mexican jails the authorities charge you (or your family, whoever has the money) a fee for a mattress and/or pillow. You may be behind bars and paying $25 per day for a pillow and $50 per day for a mattress. When the authorities can no longer get any money out of you (or your family) they open the door and turn you loose on the street. In the mean time you have to get your own butt out of there and your belongings are still on the ship. Try getting home when you have no money.

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Bottom line I am spending close to 4 grand for my cruise, that is before tips, non-alcoholic beverages, alcoholic beverages, photos, souveniers and shore excursions. And I don't want to have to smell the stuff!!. Or do I want a drunk spilling drinks on me, or someone using an ash tray as a spit-tune.

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Tom pot does lead to stonger drugs. Where did I learn this? In 8th grade health class.
The president did smoke pot and did coke as well. Pot does cause brain damage and is addicting. Ask you doctor. Like every addicting drug, the more you use it, the more the body builds a tolerance toward it. To get the same high, one must graduate toward a stronger narcotic. Tom , cocaine is the wealth mans drug. Don't even tell me about your rich friends. I am not impressed with you lack of knowledge in this field.
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To answer the original question of this post. Yes people do smoke on the "boat"and as far as the penaties I dont know,....... never been caught.<VBG>just for the record don't smoke.
Seriously as in every city and that is what these mega ships are, there will be people who smoke, drink, have loud sex and whatever else you can think of. But as far as pot leading to bigger and better drugs I would have to agree with Thomas I know pleanty of people who have smoked and never did any other type of drug. Sure thier tolrance level has risen, so what used to take them one joint to get high now takes 3 but making a blanket statement that pot does lead to stronger drugs is not true for everyone. Just as I know people who have taken pills to get high have never smoke a joint in thier life everyones choice of a high is different. And as far as cocaine being a wealth mans drug again not true. Yes back in the eighties I would have to agree with that but cocaine nowadays is cheaper then a bag of pot. Why do you think we have so many people addicted to "CRACK" cocaine? Herorine(sp)? OC's?..... Pot is expensive......... Again I know but I don't buy it ..........
Oh and one more thing for all the people who are worried about how they will smuggle the a joint or 2 on board no need, just ask your cabin steward or anyone else who works on the ship they will know where to get you one or two.



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Mikey, Sorry but you are wrong. The use of an illegal substance like marijuana places people in the enviroment of other illegal substances and that can cause people to become involved in stronger drugs. Thi8nk about this, all pot smokers drank milk so by your theory drinking milk leads to drug abuse. I am dead set agaunst the use of illegal drugs and even the over use of alcoholic beverages but you are incorrect in many of your facts. Yes I do know what I am talking about as I was not only a Police Officer for many, many years, but also a Drug Abuse Specialist while in the US Navy and we studies illegal use of drugs, drug addicts, and every scientific paper that we could lay our hands on. Yes drug abuse is bad and wrong, not to mention illegal, but there is not proof that pot smoking has caused brain damage or leads to stronger drugs becuase of it's use. In addition, there is NO proof or even indication that our current President has ever used cocaine. When asked that question he replied that he would not answer such a stupid question which is probably the same reply I would give. It is a stupid question and not worth refuting. It is nothing more than a media trick that is often used and the President did not fall for it and that made them mad. End of story as there is no story. That said, I again state that the use of illegal drugs no matter what ones they are is incredibly stupid and should not be done.
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I can't remember which ship I was on, but you could smell the bud all up and down the hallways. Nobody cared. I even heard this guy tell his girlfriend/wife/friend that they wanted to find out who it was so they could buy some....

Now I thing I have to suggest. DONT BUY IT AT ANY PORT!
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Let's see Mikey, the president admitted to smoking pot and now you are saying he does harder drugs? You say pot leads to harder drugs right?

I agree with Jim, pot CAN lead to harder drugs but doesn't necessarily mean it must.

How do you explain people like me? I smoked pot in college 25 years ago but never did anything else and haven't touched it since?

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Someone would have to be a very heavy user for marijuana to be a drug that turns you to another harder drug
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I'm sorry to say Mikey, that you are very very wrong about what you consider knowledge of marijuana. It is not addictive, it doesn't lead to harder drugs and the mere fact that you base these "hard facts" on what you were taught in 8th grade health class is laughable.
It doesn't cause brain damage either.... However it will send you back to the buffets more than once

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Read this. It is from an online site
Q: Does marijuana lead to the use of other drugs?
A: It could. Long-term studies of high school students and their patterns of drug use show that very few young people use other illegal drugs without first trying marijuana (7). For example, the risk of using cocaine is much greater for those who have tried marijuana than for those who have never tried it. Using marijuana puts children and teens in contact with people who are users and sellers of other drugs. So there is more of a risk that a marijuana user will be exposed to and urged to try more drugs.

To better determine this risk, scientists are examining the possibility that long-term marijuana use may create changes in the brain that make a person more at risk of becoming addicted to other drugs, such as alcohol or cocaine. Further research is needed to predict who will be at greatest risk.


Q: What does marijuana do to the brain?
A: Some studies show that when people have smoked large amounts of marijuana for years, the drug takes its toll on mental functions (4). Heavy or daily use of marijuana affects the parts of the brain that control memory, attention, and learning. A working short-term memory is needed to learn and perform tasks that call for more than one or two steps.

Smoking marijuana causes some changes in the brain that are like those caused by cocaine, heroin, and alcohol. Scientists are still learning about the many ways that marijuana can affect the brain
Q: What are the long-term effects of marijuana use?
A: Findings so far show that regular use of marijuana or THC may play a role in some kinds of cancer and in problems with the respiratory and immune systems.


Cancer
It’s hard to know for sure whether regular marijuana use causes cancer. But it is known that marijuana contains some of the same, and sometimes even more, of the cancer-causing chemicals found in tobacco smoke. Studies show that someone who smokes five joints per day may be taking in as many cancer-causing chemicals as someone who smokes a full pack of cigarettes every day (15) .


Lungs and airways
Lungs and airways—People who smoke marijuana often develop the same kinds of breathing problems that cigarette smokers have: coughing and wheezing. They tend to have more chest colds than nonusers. They are also at greater risk of getting lung infections like pneumonia.


Immune system
Animal studies have found that THC can damage the cells and tissues in the body that help protect against disease. When the immune cells are weakened you are more likely to get sick.


Here is the link: http://www.nida.nih.gov/MarijBroch/Marijteens.html


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tHIS WHOLE discussion is ridiculous. No you should smoke illegal substnces on a ship! Do you want permission from your fellow posters to break the law! For pete's sake, use your common sense.
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I'm not going to get into the good/bad debate. I personally am not a smoker. All I know is that several of my old friends, and unfortunately some of my in laws, all go on and on about how harmless and no big deal and natural, and non addicting, and blah blah blah that pot is. They are all, well how should I say this....half of them are in and out of jail, have crappy jobs, which seem to change monthly, live in s**thole houses, are not really interested in carrying on an intelligent conversation, have troubled kids, and needless to say, about as sharp as a bag of hammers. And yes you are right, it never led them to any harder drugs, but it sure didn't lead them to the wonderful life either. This is just my personal experience. I guess it's all cool to go thru our partying stage, most people do. But when your 50 years old and still smokin it up, and doing the same thing you were in high school, you just look kind of stupid. Just my opinion. So I guess the original question was answered. Sounds like people DO smoke on board. If you smoke it at home, I guess you take a chance there too. I guess It's all about your priorities, and how much of a chance you want to take. Good luck, whatever you decide. If you are on my ship, I highly suggest you keep it away from my kids, because, THAT is my priority, and I guess we all have to do what we gotta do.
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People live they want to live whether it is good or bad for them. It is my priority to make sure my kids grow up in a world of rules and laws. Doing drugs is a crime. I hate when people try to sugar coat their behavior like it is not bad or harmful. My wife keeps telling me I am a boyscout. My job is to give my kids a real sense of the world and set them on the path. Drugs is a losers bet. You can bet that I will be watching what my kids do 24/7. They have great grandparents,grandparents, uncles, aunts who are all cops. Don't think pot leads to more powerful drugs? Ask them after they have arrested a 14 year old for buying drugs from an undercover cop. God bless NYPD
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The unfortunate thing is that those who think that bringing pot onboard and smoking it "in private" have no regard or respect for their fellow passengers, and how it might affect them. The disruption/delay that might be caused due to an arrest affects ME - and other equally-paying passengers....not to mention the obnoxious smell that is so very evident. The two "sweet young things" that were arrested and confined to their cabins for bringing pot onboard caused a three hour delay before we could get off the ship in St. Thomas. Many excursions were ruined, and our day was shortened to the point that many passengers didn't have time to take the ferry over to St. John. Your excuse for "illegal enjoyment" does not have the right to interfere with my "legal enjoyment". Yes - I'm one of those hard-working passengers who will turn you in. Consider the actual non-privacy of private balconies.
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Tia,
What can I say. Jim Bragg has it the most right on. Mikey will believe anything if it comes from an "online site". You have to decide.

I go to Mexico a lot (cruising and flying) and I can tell you one thing, you'll have a deep an abiding respect for our legal system if you ever find yourself in a Mexican jail.

The Mexican and Caribbean people get sick and tired of being BLAMED for our drug problem. As long as there is a demand for something, someone will always provide a supply. So it makes great press for them when they can arrest an American trying to purchase drugs in their country. Oft times the person that sells you the drugs is either an undercover cop or a "doper" like you working off his time in the pokey.

Here we have a right to a "fair and speedy trial"
In Mexico they can "detain" you for years why they are deciding what to charge you with (this will depend a lot on your attitude and the seriousness of your crime). Dopers usually have a pissy attitude. They appear very aloof to that Mexican cop who is working his butt off to make 80 pesos ($7) a day. He usually resents it too. This is not good for you ! !

Here we have a right to "reasonable bail"
In Mexico, since they know you probably wouldn't return for trial anyhow, they're concept of bail is tied to how much equity you or your parents have in their home. Or something else along that line (get the picture?)

Meanwhile your family and friends are frantically trying to hock everything they own to buy you special priviledges in the Mexican Hooskow (like food, blankets, clothing). Special priviledges might keep you away from a stinky grubby Hell's Angel doing life, that's suddenly taken a real liking to you and wants to sign on as your proctologist. The filth and squalor will be unbelievable to you and any night you get any sleep will be like a "day off".

So, Tia, you can rationalize all you want, pot is only illegal because it can be grown anywhere, it can't be controlled. and if it can't be controlled it can't be taxed and that's why its illegal and you'd probably be right. I would have to agree most heartily with those that say it doesn't necessarily lead to hard drugs, although I think the personality type that uses any illicit substance is also the type that would tend to experiment with hard drugs.

If you do get popped, Tia, and experience some or all of the above. When recalling it, there is one word that will crop up in every version of the story your friends, neighbors, fellow passengers and relatives relate - - STUPID! ! !

Just my opinion.

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