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Old June 2nd, 2004, 08:45 AM
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what's up with my clock? lol :-)
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I don't understand why people don't seem to "get" that rules and policies are there for a reason, whatever that reason may be. If the sign says "No one under 18 allowed in the hot tub," that is what it means. It is not open to interpretation. It is not open to alteration. It does not mean that if your 10 year old is well-behaved, he is excused from following the policy. It does not mean that if the hot tub is not hot, no one is using it or security doesn't enforce it, that it is now ok to ignore the policy. Why would you want to teach your children the lesson to disregard rules that are in place for other peoples' safety and enjoyment?

If you do not like this policy, do not agree with it or do not intend to abide by it, then don't cruise with a cruiseline that has this policy. Buy your own hot tub and by all means, use it in whatever fashion you deem appropriate.

I apologize if this sounds harsh. I enjoy traveling and am quite an easy going person, but I do not go on vacation to remind other peoples' kids about hot tub rules because the parents are taking a vacation from responsibility.
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I was reading this thread and I must say, back in March, there were a few little children on the ship (175) and most of the time I didn't even see any of them. I did experience a few drunk couples, one even got kicked off in Cayman, fighting and acting very disrespectful. Along with several college kids acting in drunk, nasty, and disrespectful. So, what I am saying, is that with any vacation, you will probably experience a few unattractive actions of some. Please do not let it ruin your trip. Life is just too short. Go with an open mind and have a blast. I cannot wait until I go again in March 05.
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I think hot tub usage for "little" kids is ok in moderation.... We have one at home & it can get up to 104... why anyone would want to sit in a boiling pot is beyond me ! I feel like Bugs Bunny in a cartoon when in the hot tub & Elmer Fudd is somewhere peeling carrots ! !! We did notice on Celebration that 1 tub was ADULTS ONLY and my 14 yo did not use that one ! But, look at it from our view... @ almost full fare there is not much onboard for a 14 yo to do... wont participate in Camp activities, cant play any trivia or bingo in lounge, cant play pool games... so... surely for close to $600 he can spend some time in a hot tub.... and like I said, he is 14 ! He is very mature for his age & will not be diving, snorkeling or being disrepectful... he PROBABLY will not even talk as he is painfully shy !

That being said, I noticed more "big" kids causing trouble & / or scenes onboard ! On 2 seperate occasions... 2 different drunk people approached my son & pretty much scared him to death !! Maybe there should be a sign... if you cant handle your alcohol... dont drink it !
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Old June 2nd, 2004, 05:26 PM
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Yes, I understand parents are on vacation, but, it is their responsibility to account for their children. There are too many small children running around unattended. Just because a ship is full of people does not make it okay to let your child "loose" and cause other people to have to monitor them- other people are on vacation, too- not to babysit your child. Would you let your child sit in a hot tub at home alone? Obviously not.

Secondly, why would anyone willing want to sit in the same hot tub that 100 other people used? It is floating in disease (like staph), that is breeding at a nice warm temperature. You don't know what skin conditions/illnesses these people have. I wouldn't get in one, let alone let a child get in one. If you actually saw the microrganisms that are in that water at the end of the day, and how quickly they reproduce, you'd avoid it.
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Glen said: <<I am the parent of 3 girls (3 years, 7 years, and 9 years old). I was debating on adding my two cents, but after reading some of these comments, I feel compelled. My children are so well behaved that we have had total strangers come to our table in restaurants to comment on how well behaved they were.


Glen, I'd be happy to cruise with your family. I can tell you have brought them up right and would handle any problem immediately. And I know you wouldn't let your kids in the hot tub no matter how sweet they are- because the rules say no children. Why can't other parents understand this? By the way, I'm one of those people who compliment well behaved children- and their parents- in restaurants and church.

I'm curious about parents who think just because they pay for their kids' vacation, it's okay to break the rules. Would you also think it is just hunky-dory for your 10 -14 year old son to hang around the topless sun deck no matter how quiet and polite he is?
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Old June 3rd, 2004, 12:07 PM
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I'm with BuffetBarbie.

I don't even bother getting into the hot tubs that have had a thousand bodies in it. I'm am really funny about that, I don't even make it a habit of swimming in public pools. People aren't always clean and kids and adults too--spit and pee in the water---yuck!

Being that I don't visit the pools or hot tubs, I do agree that children should not be in the hot tub and that they should be attended to by the parents at all times. Just because you paid for a vacation with your kids doesn't mean that your kids and you should forget how to respect things and other people.
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FYI, the boiling point of water is 212 degrees Fahrenheit , not 104.

And now back to your regularly scheduled debate...

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Old June 3rd, 2004, 02:22 PM
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Kenster,
Thanks for the compliments. Having total strangers compliment us on our kids behavior is nice to hear and it lets us know were doing the right thing.
Don't get me wrong, I've broken a few rules in my day, but that was when I was older and knew what I was doing. When it comes to my kids, I lead by example. My example is to follow the rules and laws and hope that they do the same when they're adults. I believe (right or wrong), that showing kids it's ok to break and bend the rules will only lead to problems down the road when the rules they bend and break will have a much higher consequence than just being told you don't belong in the hot tub because your too young.
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This gripes me to no end ....
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Old June 3rd, 2004, 03:52 PM
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obviously it gripes alot of people, by the response to this topic. Now if Carnival and the parents would understand it would be wonderful. When I take a cruise I follow all the rules, yes I am a smoker and only smoke on the side its allowed on and the public areas it is allowed in. I would never dream of telling anyone, "Hey I am a full paying cruiser just like you" I respect the rules......
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hot tubs should be relaxing so if I am in there and there is some kid or adult raising a rucas, I am getting out and I will be sorely unhappy that I have to.

Kids should be respectful just as adults should be respectful of others. If I came upon a hot tub full of folks relaxing, I am not going to get in and start raising hell.

I do get very annoyed with parents who do not teach thier children manners. You see it all the time. There is a time and a place for running and jumping, but it is not on a pool deck.

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Oh wow, what a hot topic! Kids unsupervised should be reported to the pursor's office and security...if enough people report these kids...and there's usually the same bunch..the parents will be spoken to. If the parents don't take heed...they'll be off at the next port...I've seen that happen.

SNEAKING a drink before you're 21 is just as wrong and if you're caught on the cruise line sneaking a drink...you'll get into trouble...especially if you can't handle the booze and you act like a drunken sot!

It is plainly posted everywhere that children under 18 are NOT allow in the hot tubs, in the casino (maybe 21 on that one), and are not permitted up on the funnel deck. Any parent that thinks just because they paid the fare for their children allows them to enjoy all amenities that adults may enjoy are sadly mistaken.

I don't know why parents get all upset because not everyone loves their little darlings....yes, we were all kids...and not all adults loved all of us when we were all kids then either. Children WERE seen and not heard. The only rights children have are to not be abused, to have a roof over their heads, to be fed and to get an education....other than that.....they're pretty much at the mercy of adults until they're of age.

Carnival had plenty of activity for children, they can play games, use the pool and be considerate of others in the pool, they have Camp Carnival and parents should not expect other passengers to babysit their kids or put up with them.

If your kid's running around acting like a fool who should be locked up and it runs into me and ruins MY cruise.....it will not be a happy camper...and neither will its parents.

There are more full paying adults on the cruises than there are full paying children...and guess what??? The adults win!

So, if you can't take care of your little darlings and control them and be a responsible parent....your cruise might not be too pleasant either.

So far, I must say, I've not had any problems with children on any cruises I've been on. We get along just fine...they respect me and I respect them.

Most of the little tykes don't like it when they know their parents don't care enough about them to keep an eye on them anyway.

BTW, hot tubs can kill kids.
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I expect that was aimed at me.

First of all, topless sunbathing is perfectly legal in ALL locations in Canada and I don't find it the least bit offensive, nor do my children - it isn't sexual at all in many cultures.

That said, my children are like Glen's children - very well behaved, courteous and respectful. If I say no, they know I mean no. I think that anyone with reservations about children and their hands-off parents would be very pleased to see how attentive we are to our children.

Here is the thing. If they really meant to enforce the "no children" rule on the ship, they would locate the hot tubs in areas which were age restricted (like the deck for topless sunbathing).

If I am to be watching my children, and I would like to take a dip in the hot tub, the responsible thing for this mother to do would be to take my children with me to the hot tub rather than to leave my children on the deck to run about unattended (I would NEVER allow my children to be in the tub without me being present, just as I won't allow them to be in the pool without me there, at the very least, on the deck with them).

Let us all just enjoy our holidays - if you're on the Inspiration in August and see me, along with my children, in the hot tub and you object to their being there please ask me to remove them - I will respect your wishes.

Thanks again.

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Well Tracey,
I doubt you'll be seeing me and it wasn't particularly aimed at you per se, but it is aimed at anyone who thinks the rules don't apply to them.

Carnival's rules are not the same as Canada's and I doubt very very seriously your kids would be permitted at the funnel. I know for a fact that if I were up at the funnel and there were kids up there, I'd get security in a heartbeat.

I don't go to Camp Carnival and the kids don't go to the funnel deck.

Your children may be the most wonderful little ladies and gentlemen that were ever born, but they're still children and there are certain places children are not permitted, that's just the way it goes. When you sign a contract to sail with Carnival or any other line, you agree to their terms. If you break the rules and don't get caught or no one complains ...then consider yourself lucky. If someone DOES complain and you're hauled up short, you can't plead ignorance of the rules.

I like kids, I really do, but kids are NOT adults and since people say, "...kids will be kids..." then kids can't be treated as adults.

I hope you have a wonderful holiday and I hope your kids enjoy themselves and I hope everyone else enjoys being on the same cruise with you and I'm sure they will.
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Old June 4th, 2004, 01:33 AM
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The States are so neat, they won't let their 19, or 20 yr olds drink, but they'll put a gun in their hands and send them to war. Funny the drinking age in almost EVERY other country in the world is younger than 21, yet the States has as much or MORE alcohol related incidents and crimes then any other country/ Hmmm
And why do Americans have such a hang up about topless sunbathing, it's acceptable in many places, but what, it's " dirty" to Americans.

I am sorry if I seem to be on an anti-amercian rampage, but I have been on these cruise boards for almost a year now, and I often have to bite my tongue because of the simple fact that these boards are used by mostly American posters who seem to always see things from there cultural perspectives, often forgetting that cruises have others on board from other countries with other customs.

Frankly I rarely see these rotten children on cruises, i sure hear about them on these boards though.
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p.g., first of all, when the drinking age was raised from 18 to 21, many many lives were saved. Yes, we have quite a few inconsistancies in the States, but I believe we put our troubles right out there and take the heat. I don't know what country you are from and find it a bit odd that you did not mention it, but it does seems though you too are seeing life through your own culture, it is just the way of the world.

Yes, I am jumping to the defense of the USA, but then again, I love this country and am more inclined to focus on the positive points, which are many, that this land embodies.

As far as Tracy, I really don't agree with your logic about the placement of the hot tubs. Lets face, it is a rule and it is posted right at the tubs. There are just some areas where adults should be able to enjoy without children. There are so few restrictions regarding children on these ships, but where they are imposed, they should be observed out of respect for fellow passengers. Would you smoke in a non-smoking section?

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Tracey states:
"Here is the thing. If they really meant to enforce the "no children" rule on the ship, they would locate the hot tubs in areas which were age restricted (like the deck for topless sunbathing). "

Gee Tracey with that logic they should move the bar from the pool area - sorry this logic doesn't work...

"If I am to be watching my children, and I would like to take a dip in the hot tub, the responsible thing for this mother to do would be to take my children with me to the hot tub rather than to leave my children on the deck to run about unattended (I would NEVER allow my children to be in the tub without me being present, just as I won't allow them to be in the pool without me there, at the very least, on the deck with them)."

Tracey the responsible thing for a mother to do (when the children are around) is not go in the hot tub at all! When we have children we sign on for certain responsibilites, if something is restricted we should abide by it rather than rationalize it. The signs are posted with no children allowed. Responsible thing: have spouse watch child. No spouse - O well! If your children are enjoy ing Camp Carnival go in the hot tub...

Let us all just enjoy our holidays - if you're on the Inspiration in August and see me, along with my children, in the hot tub and you object to their being there please ask me to remove them - I will respect your wishes.

tracey - you will really set a god example for your children flaunting the rules.....

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Pebbs, Not trying to be secretive, I am Canadian. In my province the drinking is 19, but in others it could be 18( in ALberta for instance) .It must be very frustating to be legal drinking age a home but not on vacation. Still I would agree to abide with what ever law is in place. What I don't get is that these ships are not American.I do note that RCCL does allow 18 yr olds beer and wine.If someone could please explain that to me I'd love it, apparently they don't think a young person can get drunk on beer??
I personally am in my forties so I have no vested interest in the drinking age, other than to restate my point that it is attitude rather than age that determines drinking behaviour. And that I do understand how a dad might buy his 20yr.old a beer by the pool, it may not be correct, but I personally understand , that's all..
The topless deck thing is definately a North American hang up( umm and yes the middle eastern countries don't go for it either!) because in Europe it is not considered dirty , and kids don't blink an eye at it, it isn't all playboy models walking around , think old and saggy! It is now legal in Canada, so I guess it just isn't that big of a deal to us, then again since I am a woman I most likely don't see it the same way you do,( lol, no pun intended)


And a BTW for Georgie, Hot tubs do and have killed adults too!! May be the whole concept ( hot tubs) is just wrong.They are very dirty!
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I am a woman too and personally have no problem with the topless deck. I do know that the folks in the states are a bit hung up on the nudity/topless issue....must date back to the puritans. I mean, come on, Janet Jackson showed a bit of bosom for a nano second and it change the complextion of TV forever...

I think you question is valid about the ships being registered outside of the US, however Carnival is United States corporation, traded on the NYSE. Perhaps that is why the imposition of US law....that and the fear of lawsuits.

BTW--I love Canada...have spent much time in Banff.....the closest thing to heaven. In fact, after the trauma of 9/11....all I could think about was going to Banff, and low and behold, my SE and I went that Christmas.

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One more thing p.g.

there is one thing we will never agree on and that is the best outcome of the Stanley Cup final!!!

I am from Tampa...Go Bolts

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OK, now youve really hit a nerve. Does the US have its share of problems.. yes, but if were so bad, why is it that thousands upon thousands of people from around the world (some of them risking their lives), come to live in the US every year. Chances are you are from one of the countries that we bailed out of World War I or World War II. Or perhaps you are from one of the many, many countries that the United States has given over $146 billion in humanitarian assistance to foreign countries since 1946. This is a cruise message board, so Ill stop now, but I could go on and on.
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For p.g. I think maybe perhaps you should have bitten you tongue in this case as well.

Like Pebbs said, you are making comments about how things are here in the States and everything you said is a direct reflection of your own culture.

F.Y.I-Americans don't have "hang ups" or even find it "dirty" that people want to sunbathe topless. People may comment more on that subject because they may feel as though they don't want to see a topless women sunbathing. That's their right. I think, if it was really a big deal to us "Americans", we would not have nude beaches and certain locations for topless sunbathing.

Lastly, at the age of 18 in this country, a person can make a decision to go to war and fight for their country. They are not pressured to do that. It's a decision. I also find it funny that there are other countries that have children younger than 18 that actually have guns put into their hands and are conditioned from the day they are born to hate and terrorize. Hmmmmm, still didn't mention what country you are from.

Anyway, I thought we were discussing the policy of kids not being allowed in the hot tub anyway.
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here's an idea, how about during the day, we go to the "kids clubs" and act totally stupid and annoy them!!!!


Whoever wrote that is extremely rude. The kids in the "kids club" are generally well-behaved, so don't blame them. I myself am 12 yrs. old, and I am very mature for my age. I DO sit and enjoy the hot tubs because they are fresh water, unlike the pool. I do NOT play around in them, but sit and enjoy. I believe that Carnival should allow children in the hot tub, but if they are a nuisance, they should kick them out for the rest of the cruise. I am trying to value some people's opinions, but if you have something against kids wanting to have fun, and be care-free, Carnival is NOT the cruise line for you, instead, you may want 2 travel a more expensive line, like Princess, or even Norwegian.

No offense to anybody purposely, just thought I would state my opinion
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Pebbs,
sorry I am assumed you were not a female. It's hard to tell online!
As for hockey, I'm not a fan( I know how unpatriotic of me!!) It's just too violent of a game, except when it's played in the Olympics, then it's actually a sport and not a bunch of thugs attacking each other and getting paid too much!

JerZgrl,
And yes it is sad to see guns in the hands of children, and yes I've seen it on the news too.Of course in those countries they often so messed up that they think it's ok.

Glen, I've already stated which country I was from.We haven't needed any humantitarian aid from anywhere that I am aware of, I may be wrong, but Canada isn't exactly a third world country.
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I myself am 12 yrs. old, and I am very mature for my age. I DO sit and enjoy the hot tubs because they are fresh water, unlike the pool. I do NOT play around in them, but sit and enjoy. I believe that Carnival should allow children in the hot tub, but if they are a nuisance, they should kick them out for the rest of the cruise. I am trying to value some people's opinions, but if you have something against kids wanting to have fun, and be care-free, Carnival is NOT the cruise line for you, instead, you may want 2 travel a more expensive line, like Princess, or even Norwegian




Since it is posted that children are not allowed in the hot tubs, why do you think you should break the rules?

If fresh water is the answer - go on a line that provides fresh water pools. BTW- those lines (Princess and HAL) post signs not allowing children under 16 in hot tubs.

People on this board want everyone to have fun, but it must not impinge on other people's having fun. If you want alcohol or to gamble, should the rules be changed just for you?
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With all due respect Branflakes, it doesn't matter what you believe "Carnival should allow children in the hot tub", a sign is posted saying that under 18 is not allowed....therefore 12 year olds are in violation of that rule.

I am not saying I never break the rules, I am just saying, just because you don't agree with a rule, doesn't mean that it does not apply to you.

This IS one of the rules, that when it is broken, it may affect those around you. You may be well behaved, and this may be a bit harsh, but there are some places that should just be for adults, and if Carnival has designated this as one of those places, that rule should be respected.

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I respect your opinion, and (I know it might sound unbelievable)I will not go in the hottub again. i just so happen 2 be in a good mood today.


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