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Old August 2nd, 2004, 09:16 PM
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It is all true. I was on board with my wife & about a dozen others, and YES it was complete chaos & very scarry!

It WAS the captain who made this announcement, There is no doubt in my mind. Why?..your guess is as good as mine. Maybe an open mic., but there were two announcements, both preceeded by official chimes. The first said "This is the captain...", nothing more, then about 5-min. later, another announcement "This is the Captain...All crew members abondon ship". People freaked! and at 4AM, there was no staff to be found. The Capt. eventually made an announcement saying it was probably some teenagers. That is bull! I wrote a letter to the President of Carnival, and better get an explanation soon.
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Ok i'm not home right now so I'll make it as brief as I can.
As far as the official explanation from the friends at CCL.....I told ya so! That is all I can say. Told ya it would be from dining room or purser's desk.
Have you thought that the few minutes (I doubt it would be that long) might have been needed for them to think up what to say as a prank?
I got thinking just now....maybe they tested it first to see if it worked all over the ship. Then they decided to pull that prank, and did it.
I know for certain that there are 3 location settings on the master PA panel. Crew area (crew announcements) Passenger area, and Total Area (drills etc.)
If there was an announcement for all crew members to abandon ship, at that hour it would have been wise to activate the crew area or total area loudspeakers to tell them (they would mostly be asleep at 4AM I think) to abandon ship.
If that had been done would you not have seen crew rushing about instead of not a crewmember in sight?
I do not recall an area setting on the maitre'd stations that I have seen.
I do think that it was a prank. Sick, evil, and stupid. If they could do something I wouldn't mind tarring and feathering them and attaching them to the mast for people to chuck rotten fruits at them. But it happened. I do think the bridge crew would have questioned the captain on his getting up at 4AM, then picking up the microphone.
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Old August 3rd, 2004, 08:53 AM
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Maybe one way to determine if it was the Captain. Do any people on the cruise remember the Captain's name? If so. if we can find someone who went on the next cruise and if they remember the Captain's name on their cruise, if they match then it probably wasn't the Captain. I am pretty sure if the Captain did it, he wouldn't still be the Captain now.
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The captain's name is Gaetano Gigliotti.
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Old August 3rd, 2004, 11:22 AM
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I was on this ship as well. As far as Carnivals statement that the Captain was awoken and immediately announced all was fine - there was a long period between 'abandon ship' and the first announcements that all was well (made a female first). Its easy to sit back and say we should have known it was a hoax. My initial thought was I slept through the first announcements that there was trouble. Easy to do after all this was the final night of our cruise. Unfortunately it ended with a bad note. My sister in law in the next room had initial thoughts of terrorism. When the female announcement came on and later the captain they both sounded rattled. Not very reassuring.

Not a word was said when we disembarked. No apologies - no letters.

Very poor job.
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Old August 3rd, 2004, 11:39 AM
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Of course a change in the ship's captain would not prove his involvment, but it would certainly fuel the speculation. If the captain was indeed responsible for such a prank, that would be scandalous!

For the gentlemen who are certain it was the captain who made the announcement, how can you be sure? What I mean is, does he have an accent or other distinctive vocal feature? And either way, isn't it possible the responsible individual was mimicking the captain's vocal style intentionally? I don't believe it is possible to make a positive identification merely by listening to an amplified voice.

In any case, this was certainly a bizarre incident and it is fortunate nobody was injured in the ensuing confusion.

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Old August 3rd, 2004, 12:32 PM
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I'm a teen and I can say that I'd never do anything as mean, sick and stupid as that. Just because one teen (if it was a teen at all) did that, does not mean that all of us should be labeled as troublemakers. I know a lot of teens who would never think of doing such a horrible thing and only go on cruises to have fun, not get drunk and do stupid stuff.
Well, anyway...I'm very glad that no one was hurt. I hope everybody can learn something from this.

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The captain had a very distinct accent. The first two "prank" announcements did sound exactly like him. The accuracy of the imitation, and the fact that despite cameras all over the boat, Carnival somehow has been unable to reprimand anyone, makes me believe it was a ship employee or crew member who did this--maybe a drunk one. They'd be more familiar with the captain's tone and also have more knowledge of the PA system. This did not sound like a teenager. As one of the hundreds (maybe thousands) who was absolutely terrified that entire night (I dont think anyone on that ship slept until we were home in our own beds), I find their inability to tell us what really happened completely unacceptable. To do something like that to a ship full of so many New Yorkers, who went through 9/11 and contend with fears of terrorism on a daily basis, is a crime fully deserving of imprisonment, in my opinion. It's a form of terrorism in itself.
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Old August 3rd, 2004, 01:45 PM
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Which message board did you see the other posts on this? I was on the ship so curious what others are saying.

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Old August 3rd, 2004, 02:15 PM
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What is the cruise industry up to???? I was on this ship and I was terrified. I have since contacted CNN, Carnival, and The Today Show and NO ONE cares.

This was a horrifying experience for everyone on the ship. The cruise industry has done a fine job with hiding this from the media. I am baffled as to why this is being kept such a secret.

I made a ship-to-shore phone all when the announcement was made to tell my sister to call the Coast Guard and the media. I'll bet you anything I get charged for that phone call at $17 a minute.

I also believe it was the captain! It was definitely his voice.
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Chris,

What are you expecting from these news organizations?
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I was on the cruise, and I was the OP on CC about the situation. I have to say that I am very disturbed that the people who did this were not caught. Surely, the cruise line has a video tape that could prove who did it. I feel asthough they did everthing in their power to get the passengers off the ship as fast as possible and that the Officers of the Miracle hoped that we would forget that the whole thing had occured. I must say, now knowing that no one was caught, I have to believe that it was a member of the crew. The whole thing is a public relations nightmare. I can only hope that Carnival has learned from their mistakes onboard that night and it will never happen again.
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While it is 'possible' it was the Captian, I think you have a better chance of seeing snow in July in St Thomas. The reason there is no video tape is that it was done in the dining room at the Maitre D's station which does not have a camera on it. Very difficult to prove and I suspect that CCL has a decent idea about who did it, they just can't prove it. In addition you can bet the parents would be screaming bloody murder that their sweet Johnny and Sue would never do such a thing as they are perfect angels so there would ne no ability to 'question' them. Bet your bottom dollar that the microphone will be locked away in the future to prevent this from occuring again. As for the reason why no publicity....why give other idiots ideas? That is exactly what would happen and it would cause even more problems. Instead of blaming the big guy, (CCL), try blaming the person who did it and get mad at him.
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Old August 3rd, 2004, 09:46 PM
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Yes...this did indeed happen. Aside from the terrible service, drunk teenagers in every place you turned to have some peaceful time, and the horrible food this unfortunate situation did occur. There was pure madness in the lobby atruim that night, the fromt desk was NOT picking up there phones which was why most of the passengers were in there pajamas and bathrobes ands to make all matters worse the captain did not address the passengers for at least another half an hour after the annoucement and the only reason why he came out was because the passengers were demanding to see him and the security couldn't handle this situation.
I've been on Carnival before (4 times) and I never experienced anyhting like this before.
When all was said and done and a passenger called the NY Coast Guard, Carnival pretty much made light of the horrifying ordeal. I would reconsider the next time I cruise again.
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Jim: I know I previously said I wouldn't be posting again I just thought I would let you know that there is finally some acknowledgement publicly that this incident happened. In spite of the fact that it gives ideas to other sick people ,and I agree with you, if security is good aboard a ship, they can not carry out their hoaxes. Look at the security precautions we are taking here in New York this week to prevent the possibility of terrorist attacks we have been made aware of. No one is hushing up the information about the threat because they are afraid of copycats. Today, 8/4, Long Island Newsday ran an article on page A17. CBS radio this morning had a statement and I understand that the New York News has an article which I have not seen I also see here that Cruise News Daily also has written about it. Much as the cruise line wants to minimize what happened, it did happen, and the public has a right to know about it and draw their own conclusions. If nothing else, this will force the cruise line to institute more stringent security precautions which would be a big accomplishment.
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Old August 4th, 2004, 11:44 AM
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CruzJess - I recall from your original CC posting that you and a few others were escorted to the bridge by the Captain as part of reassuring the pax.

Is that right? If so, I assume that you could put to rest any rumors that the Captain may have been drunk?
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For information I had to delete two posts that copied articles written and published in the media. The reason for doing so is copyright laws. You cannot post thos articles here. Sorry. You can post links to them if you wish so long as it is not to other websites that are commercial in nature to the cruise or trtavel industry such as agents of competing websites.
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My husband and a few other passengers went to the bridge. I asked my husband if he thought the Captain had been drinking and he said no. However, he did feel as though the Captain did have a rather cavalier attitude about the situation. Well maybe cavalier is the wrong word, he said he felt like the Captain didn't understand what all the fuss was about. But on the Captains behalf, he had also been woken up, and was stormed by a bunch of angry passengers. It was really just an ugly situation all around. I wish Carnival had made more of an effort to catch those responsible. Yesterday, another poster said that we should be angry with the people responsible for the hoax, and not Carnival. I'm sorry, Carnival has left me no choice but to be angry with them because no one was caught. I think if there had been an effort to question the passengers before we left the ship I would have felt differently, but as I said before, I felt like they just wanted to get us off the ship and forget the whole thing happened. If they had caught those responsible I would have tried to make sure that they were held responsible for their actions.
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Old August 4th, 2004, 03:24 PM
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Jess, I would tend to think that both the passengers who did this and Carnival are responsible for the incident. However, Carnival's mistake occurred when they let this travisty happen in the first place. It seems that the security on the Miracle is lax, and they should have taken better care to lock up all of the ship's microphones.

As far as "finding" the perpitrators, if there was no videotape, no security guards were around, and no passengers volunteered information about having seen the guilty passengers, there's really not much Carnival could have done afterwards to find out who was responsible. I don't think any of the passengers would have appreciated an interrogation as they were leaving the ship, and, in any case, it's not Carnival's place to be interrogating people. It would be Carnival's place to notify the NYPD (I think that's the first place the ship docked after the incident), and then it would be up to the police to decide how to proceed.. but without any evidence, and with thousands of passengers looking to get off the ship, I'm not surprised that they took little action in finding the perpitrators before everyone got on shore.
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Why does the Maitre D' need capability to announce throughout all public areas including cabins?

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The Maitre D' uses his PA system to announce the opening of the dining room for Breakfast, Lunch and Dinner.
Carnival certainly could not and would not place passengers under interrogation. That just isn't legal! The people that would be responsible for this would probably be the Homeland Security Department as it could be considered a terrorist act spreading fear and terror but that is a bit of a reach.
AS I have said, there are no cameras focused at the Maitre D's station and no witnesses that were able to come forth and state they saw it done so no proof positive. If they could, you better believe that they would prosecute. As for security...hey, nobody thought anyone would do this and it never crossed anyone's mind. Remember 9/11? NObody thought anyone would hijack commercial airlines and crash them into office building at that time either. Now that we know these terrorists do these things we take steps to prevent it or make it much harder. The same will go for this incident even though it pales by comparison. They will make sure that it can't happen again by removing the mic or locking the switches so they cannot be used. Come on folks, think about it, did anyone before that mystery man think about hijacking a plane and jumping out with the ramson? SO many things happen and the suspect gets away with it because it is a first and nobody happened to think of it. We just all do our best to prevent criminals from being able to repeat crimes as best we can.
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In todays edtion of the New York Daily News -there was an article on this. It didnt go into much detail it just stated that some psgrs got into a room that has a pa system and is normally unoccupied. It just gave the basics. You can go online to read it at nydailynews.com

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I've been reading this thread with interest. I have a two things to say.

First,
When we all sign up for these boards we agree to follow the Terms of Service. The TOS of Cruise Critics says that any post refering to any other Cruise Board will be deleted. It does not matter if you think this rule is wrong, the rules are the rules. These boards are privately owned and we are not charged a fee as users. The only thing you can do is not sign up if you think the rules are unfair or if the TOS changes not post any more.

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To blame anyone with out absolute proof is not only wrong but bordering on criminal. Just because the person sounded like the Captain does not mean that it was.

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Old August 5th, 2004, 07:56 AM
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I was on that cruise, and it is 100% true!!....only it happened at 4:00AM and not 3:35 AM....and the person who did it was NOT a teenager......mid to late 20's.....
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I was on that cruise, and it is 100% true!!....only it happened at 4:00AM and not 3:35 AM....and the person who did it was NOT a teenager......mid to late 20's.....
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And you know this persons age how?
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Jess,

I've been out of town the last several days and when I returned to search for your thread on CC it, apparently, had been deleted. Stumbled onto this thread and your posts.

I'm sorry and I want to personally apologize for any distress my posts may have caused you on your original post about this incident. I completely misread the tone of the post and that combined with your low post count (BIG MISTAKE) led me to my incorrect conclusion that I needed "more to post to validate" your statements.

I should have waited for more to post and kept my mouth shut. This was wrong and I'm truly sorry for my comments and I apologize.

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Let me just say that I was on the ship and I was awake at the time. The voice on the loud speaker didnt sound like any teen I have heard. The voice sound like a young adult more then just a teen. Why does everyone blame stuff on teenagers when in true fact teens arnt bad.
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I was on the ship and awake when the first call came over the loudspeaker. I heard
" this is your captain!" then a few minutes went by. I then heard the announcement for the crew members to abandon ship, which is strange to begin with, knowing they are the last to leave. I looked down at the life boats from the balcony and saw no action taking place. I then opened my cabin door and saw others doing the same. I quickly got dressed and along with others went to the pursers area where most had gathered. I was relieved when the captain finally arrived but just for the safety reasons I asked him to have at least 5 of us to escort him to the bridge which he felt was not necessary, I then mentioned that we feel it was due to the world we now live in and that we want to make sure all is okay. Finally he allowed 8 of us to go with him and other crew members to the bridge. I felt for the sake of myself and my family alot easier and though I was at first upset the way things were handled, I enjoyed the voyage and the ship. The captain I feel did a very good job avoiding the bad weather that surrounded us at times, and now knowing that the 30 mile an hr. winds after we left Nassau,. which I also was concerned about, most likely came from the tropical depression that became our first named hurricane. I would travel with this ship and captain again.

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I was relieved when the captain finally arrived but just for the safety reasons I asked him to have at least 5 of us to escort him to the bridge which he felt was not necessary, I then mentioned that we feel it was due to the world we now live in and that we want to make sure all is okay. Finally he allowed 8 of us to go with him and other crew members to the bridge.
What does one look for in the bridge to make sure everything's OK?

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