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Old March 19th, 2005, 11:30 AM
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I am curious about propulsion problems. I know about the Glory and the Ecstacy problems recently. and have heard that Elation has had similar problems.

I do know that Elation had problems when we were on her in October of 2003, and we missed one port. Incidentally, Carnival offered us nothing when that happened.

Does Carnival have more such problems due to their propulsion system, or do all cruise lines have similar problems?
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EVERY mainstream cruise line has had them in the past couple 3 years.
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Old March 19th, 2005, 03:15 PM
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As Marv has stated, it has happened to all lines pretty equally and more often on those ships that use the Azipod system. I think it was Celebrity that was having a horrible time for a little while when it seemed like a ship a week was having problems. They have discovered some design flaws and slowly corrected them as they came to light on all ships.
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Is the Legend one of those Azipod systems?
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Carnival is not the only one this year. the Sapphire Princess is having problem with its turbine engine so she is "limping" and has had to skip a port.

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Yes, the Legend is Azipod design but understand she was not one of the first so much of the system is improved over some of the older ones.
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By the way, what is the azipod system?
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Old March 21st, 2005, 01:14 AM
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I was wondering that myself.......jp
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I wondered that myself and did a search on the internet for azipod--very interesting. just put azipod in your search browser and see what you come up with.

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Ships are no different than your car, truck, boat, airplane,or anyother mechanical device. They all need repairs from time to time. They all need maintence from time to time.
I'm surprised how well they keep these ships looking and operating. And being in the ocean 24/7, 356 days a year, its even more remarkable.

Azipod, is what propells the ship through water. There also used to turn the ship.You ever wonder how they can place a ship as large as the Conquest in-between 2 other huge ships? They use the pods to place the ship into tight areas.

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Old March 21st, 2005, 09:31 AM
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Should add 'Holiday' to the list. Sailed from Mobile on 29 Dec 2004 with propulsion problems, having just returned with same problem from previous cruise. Limited compensation to $100 refund of port fees since they changed cruise itinery from Cozumel to Nowhere. Great New Year Cruise - NOT. Ecstacy passengers got 50% refund and 25% discount on next cruise. Holiday sailed again after our cruise still with propulsion problems.
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Duncan, How can you find out if the ship is fixed before it sails again? Did they announce before you left on the Holiday the ship was having problems???
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Traditionally, the propeller and rudder were different systems, serving two different functions, propulsion and steering. Most if not all of the Fantasy Class ships use a diesel electric version of that system along with independently steerable rudders.

Azipod (Azimuthal Pod) is basically an application of an outboard motor concept. The entire prop motor pod rotates on a vertical axis (Azimuth) for directional control. Even prop rotation can be manipulated in the horizontal plane for pitch control, and the attack angle of the blades can be adjusted to enable direction change without stopping rotation altogether. What further sets it apart from the outboard concept, besides the pod being completely under water, is that the propellers are mounted on the front of the pod. Instead of pushing the ship through the water, they pull the ship. A similar, single motor scheme is marketed for smaller vessels under the name Z-drive. There is even a scheme used on some larger ships where azipods face fixed propellers mounted in skegs to achieve greater cavitation management, thus greater fuel efficiency. One of the large RCCL ships (Adventurer?) uses a 3 prop system. Azipods are mounted port and starboard, but a fixed traditional propeller is mounted on the keel's center line. The larger, newer Carnival ships probably use a similar scheme.


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Here is a link that show the Azipods on a ship. Great concept and works really good. That is why most modern cruise ships do not need a tug or two to dock and undock

http://www.ship-technology.com/proje.../elation7.html

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Let's see if this works...
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