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Old October 10th, 2005, 04:52 PM
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We are planning a family cruise in Nov. 06; what will my granddaughters need for documents? (they will be 8 and 13) This will probably be on Carnival Liberty. This is the hard one...my daughter and her dh now have custody of his son, but only verbal consent from former relationship. The son's name is different at this time, but the father is on the birth certificate. Can he take him on a cruise? What would be needed 11/06?
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Hi cruisinforever,

First I'd suggest that you get everyone passports. You have plenty of time to do that before you cruise and can apply for one at a time, so it won't seem so expensive .

This is none of my business, but I think your SIL should talk to an attorney about your second question. If he only has "verbal" consent for custody from his ex, he may have more problems than taking his son on a cruise! Even if he and his ex do get along now, who knows what will happen in a year's time .

If he and his ex get along very well, and continue to, he would need a notarized letter, signed by her, stating that he can take their son out of the country. He'll also need the passport or his son's birth certificate. Under the current conditions, I think I'd take everything
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I'm not a Lawyer, but yes you have to have something in writing giving you permission to take the child out of the country. It needs to be notorized by each parent. And you need a passport, or raised seal birth certificate. In the near future, passports will be required for leaving the country. Last I heard the deadline had been extended. You can go to the site listed below and see for yourself.

http://travel.state.gov/passport
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Hi,

I am a travel consultant/cruise specialist, and I always have my clients complete a notarized form when a child is traveling in/out of the US without one of their parents. Regardless of custody situations, it is best to have a detailed notarized letter from the non-traveling parent saying that the child is traveling with his/her permission with the named adult. If the parent has passed away, a certified copy of the death certificate is a must.

It is purely a security measure and with increased security, longer and more bitter custody battles, it isn't worth the risk.

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Thank you all; the information is most helpful. I went to the passport site and the state dept. has revised the necessity of a passport; beginning Dec. 31, 2006 it will be necessary to have one for travel outside the U.S. regardless of age. I think the confusion resulted when they changed the dates for implementation. I had also heard that certain cruise lines require it now. Anyone know the answer?
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I've been a Family Law paralegal for over 20 years. This is what I take:

1. The children's passports. Both parents will need to sign the passport form.

2. A signed and notarized letter from their father stating that I have permission to take them out of the country.

On our last cruise I took my daughter's friend. For her I needed her birth certificate with a raised seal and a signed and notarized letter from BOTH parents stating that I could take her out of the country. I was asked for this letter both at check in and again by customs when we re-entered the US.

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Darcy, did your daughter's friend need a picture id? How do you obtain these for children 8 & 13?
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Just have the parents get your granddaughters passports. It is the best ID available.
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My daughter's friend didn't need picture ID as she's only 13. Just the birth certificate with the raised seal and a signed and notarized letter from her parents. I also got a signed and notarized letter stating that I could authorize emergency medical treatment and a copy of their insurance card. When I bought the trip insurance I included her too, just to cover all bases. I do agree with the previous poster about getting passports. There is no better form of ID. I have them for all my children and wouldn't dream of traveling without a passport.
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whoever has legal, written custody of the child- they are the ones who need to give you permission to take the child on the cruise
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Darcy, did your daughter's friend need a picture id? How do you obtain these for children 8 & 13?
My son participated in a Science Field Studies course through his school last summer. They went to the Virgin Islands for a week where they, among other things, completed their dives for certification. Anyway, he was 14 years old at the time. Because the kids were traveling without either of their parents, they were required have a State ID along with the other consent forms. We had to take him to a State of Ohio BMV office to get the State ID. It was only around $10 and looks similiar to a drivers license.
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Even if you are the custodial parent, you need a letter of consent from the child's non-custodial parent just to be on the safe side.

Agree that passports are your best bet, along with the consent letter.

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I haven't been able to post for the last 24 hours. Kept getting you cannot post a reply, you cannot etc. etc. Anyone know what happened? Maybe just another glitch. Thank you all for the information. I'm sure we will use it.


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I have a state issued certified copy of my birth certificate, State of California - Dept of Public Health supplied by the Registrar-Recorder of Los Angeles county. It does not have a raised seal. Carnivals website says you need a state-issued certified copy of a birth certificate from the dept of health and vital statistics. The website does not say anything about a raised seal. I should be ok, right?
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I have never heard of a state issuance for a birth certificate without a seal. Hold it up to a light and run your fingers over the certificate. I sent for mine to Maine last year and the seal is very faint. Also look at the back; there should be an imprint there.


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On my birth certificate next to the seal that is not raised, it says "This is a true and certified copy of the record if it bears the seal, imprinted in purple ink, of the Registrar-Recorder." It is in purple ink and on the back is another stamp in purple ink. I know I should not worry and that it will probably be fine. It's just that this is my first cruise and I would hate for this to cause me to lose the cruise (and the money). This same birth certificate worked for me back in 1987, when I flew out of Los Angeles to Manzanillo (sp) Mexico.

Is there anyone else out there that has a California Birth Certificate with the purple seal and has used it for a cruise with no problem?
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Hey I have a question about this ---I don't see anyone else mentioning it. My children live with me full time. Father is not involved (have no idea where he even is). We were never married.

For the passports, I had to write a statement that basically stated he was not involved, we were never married and his whereabouts are unknown.
Then I got it notarized. So they have passports...do I need to get the same type of letter notarized again to bring along? There is not even 1% chance that I will get a notarized letter from the father.

We went on a family cruise - me and Kids only - in 2004 and I didn't need anything other than their birth certificates.
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I would bring the same type of letter with me. You may not even be asked for it, but better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it.

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If your questionable birth certificate with the purple seal is causing you anxiety, go online to the city of your birth and see if one can get it with the raised seal. We were married in Hawaii and lost the original marriage certificate. Sometime passed and we ordered another one. Misplaced that one too. Then this year we needed it for my husband's pension. We went online and ordered four copies! We should put these in different places. Oh, later we found the original after 17 years tucked in a drawer way in the back up on a little shelving area. Of course we did after sending for four copies. Too much stuff needed these days. City, state, federal and on and on and on.
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I did not read all replies so this may be repetitive. We have sailed with my children from a previous and my DH's children from a previous marriage. We were REQUIRED and ASKED for NOTARIZED letters from the absent biological parents granting permission to take the children on the specified cruise for the specified dates of the cruise. Don't take any chances. Even with a passport you will still need notarized letters from both biological parents if neither will be traveling with you.
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We just went through this with my husbands ex. He didn't want his ex to take his son on the cruise because he'd miss a week of school. She has physical custody. We couldn't stop it. All she needed was a birth certificate. He went against my husband's wishes.
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