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Old February 10th, 2007, 06:19 PM
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According to news reports, the Fantasy was hit by a barge in the early morning hours today as it was heading upriver to New Orleans. No injuries and minimal damage. News reports say it will likely sail tomorrow so a few repairs can be made tonight. www.nola.com for updates.
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From what I understand, that cruise has now been canceled.

One thing in the article that struck me was 'We didn't want to leave people sitting on the piers," My guess is they learned their lesson about leaving 2500 people sitting in the terminal for hours on end after the Sensation debacle last March (I was one of them).

You can be sure that someone/s will feel the need to file suit - but I can't imagine that they would have a leg to stand on. This was truly and unforseen and unfortunate event. but beyond Carnival's control.

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. When did that ever stop anyone.

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What if they did sail with a gash in the side? Do you think there would be some suits if the ship sank? A lot of folks want a "free lunch" when anything happens that messes up their perfect little world. My ship was pulled Sept '05 for hurricane relief, but no one "kicked the windows out" when the cruise I was scheduled to go on didn't happen. I just booked another, later on, and had a ball.

Sure, had I been on the Fantasy sailing today, I would feel sad, but, there will be others. New Orleans has had its share of problems. Fog, power lines, low water in the river, and the big "H". (hurricanes). The river itself is a journey with so much traffic from Mid-America traversing this waterway. It's a wonder more accidents don't occur.
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turkey, I agree. I was on the Sensation when she left 8 hours late with us stranded in and outside of the teminal. As it turns out, it was one of my best cruises to date. We had a great time. I likened it to being stuck in an airport with delay/canceled flght. S&#T happens, get over it. World doesn't revolve around you. I have too much stress in my life to let things I have no control over upset me over disuped plans.

Someone, though, will think the world owes them - like they lady on the Sensation that made such an uproar, that people were laughing at her and not joining her cause. She probalby spent more in ship to shore calls than she paid for her cruise.

Anyway, this is an unfortunate situation, and I feel for people who have had cruises cancelled (I have - Spirit Hawaii - May 2002)..but you move on...
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Cruisers are being given a full refund, 25% off a future cruise and if they flew in ... $200.00 per person.
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From what I understand, that cruise has now been canceled.

One thing in the article that struck me was 'We didn't want to leave people sitting on the piers," My guess is they learned their lesson about leaving 2500 people sitting in the terminal for hours on end after the Sensation debacle last March (I was one of them).

You can be sure that someone/s will feel the need to file suit - but I can't imagine that they would have a leg to stand on. This was truly and unforseen and unfortunate event. but beyond Carnival's control.
The news reports that I have seen were quoting conflicting sources regarding the extent of the damage. If the assessment attributed to the U. S. Coast Guard indicating a 30' gash in the hull is accurate, though, cancellation makes sense and the next several cruises probably also will not happen.

In this type of incident, there are three major issues that affect the safety of the vessel: (1) watertight integrity, (2) structural integrity, and (3) integrity of internal systems.

>> A 30' gash in the hull clearly would mean a loss of watertight inegrity, even if it's several feet above the waterline, so there's no way that the ship can sail until the gash is sealed. The cruise line could simply weld patch plates over the gash to restore watertight integrity until the next scheduled yard visit, though it would look like a farily obvious "band-aid" when viewed from the pier. A full repair is much more involved, requiring removal and replacement of the damaged plates.

>> Any impact that creates that kind of gash in a ship's hull probably also bends or deforms the ship's ribs and may have caused additional structural damage to internal decks, and it would be very unwise to put to sea without at least installing additional bracing of the affected structural components. Here, the real challenge may well be gaining access to the structural members -- which may require removal and replacement of the hull plates if the inside of the hull does not provide convenient access. And, again, installation of structural reinforcements and bracing is an interim measure until it's possible to replace the damaged structural members duriing the next regular yard visit.

>> It's also very unlikely that the deformation did not knock hull plating, damaged ribs, or some other structural component into some internal cable or piping for one or another of the ship's systems. Here, chaffing of electrical insulation or dents that weaken pipes could cause a system that's operating normally now to fail while the ship is at sea. Thus, its absolutely imperative to inspect all cabling, plumbing, etc., in the vicinity of the impact for integrity. Such inspection may require removal of internal false bulkheads and false overheads or opening tanks and "void" compartments for human entry, depending upon the location of the affected area, to gain access. Also, it clearly will be necessary to replace any cables or plumbing that have sustained damage, some of which may extend well beyond the damaged area.

Any repair that requires removal and replacement of deck plating probably will take three or four weeks, and replacement of cables or piping could take even longer.

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http://www.wdsu.com/news/10980601/detail.html

Video of the damage.

Also looks like the Feb 15th cruise may be cancelled as well.

If you are booked on this cruise, please contact TA or PVP for verification.
USCG is saying 2/15 will not happen...Carnival has not commented officially yet.

Just stay on top of the information if you are on the 2/15 cruise.
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Another captain facing early retirement.
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I'm keeping my fingers crossed for the 19th. That's our day. According to two Carnival reps and my Travel Agent, it's a GO. Boy, I need this one, but if it's unsafe, let them do the job right.
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Another captain facing early retirement.
Well, reassignment to a desk job at corporate headquarters is more likely. It appears that the master of MV Fantasy did nothing wrong.

The operator of the tug that was pushing the barges is in deep doo-doo, though! He caused the barges to drift into a vessel in the channel that was "restrcted in its abiity to maneuver" by virtue of draft too deep to leave the channel and thus had an absolute right of way to proceed up the channel.

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I'm keeping my fingers crossed for the 19th. That's our day. According to two Carnival reps and my Travel Agent, it's a GO. Boy, I need this one, but if it's unsafe, let them do the job right.
Based upon the photos of the damage, it appears extremely likely that MV Fantasy will be out of service for at least two or three weeks. I know that the cruise line won't say anything official until they get complete assessment of the damage and the necessary repairs, but such an assessment might not be possible until the ship gets into the yards.

Of course, it had to happen on a Saturday. There are some very good shipyards located near New Orleans, but they would not have had crews available on the weekend anyway so it's unlikely that they could even start work before today.

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There are some very good shipyards located near New Orleans, but they would not have had crews available on the weekend anyway so it's unlikely that they could even start work before today.

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You are correct. Pascagoula or Mobile are both excellent options. They are lucky to have 2 so close!! My Dad was a Marine Surveyor and worked in Mobile when it was called "Alabama Drydocks". Not sure what the name is now.
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Another captain facing early retirement.
Well, reassignment to a desk job at corporate headquarters is more likely. It appears that the master of MV Fantasy did nothing wrong.

The operator of the tug that was pushing the barges is in deep doo-doo, though! He caused the barges to drift into a vessel in the channel that was "restrcted in its abiity to maneuver" by virtue of draft too deep to leave the channel and thus had an absolute right of way to proceed up the channel.

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That's as good as an early retirement.

It does not matter who is at fault. Run the ship aground or run into a ship or anything else, your days at sea are over.
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As of 2/12/07, 4 p.m. cst, Carnival says the Thursday cruise is still on.
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I would be very leary of anything they say about the ship sailing until you are actually on it.

Case and point: I was scheduled on the Spirit Hawaii cruise in May 2002. The air conditioning went out shipwide on the sailing prior to ours. They cut it short by a few days and said the following sailing was a go. We were flying from Orlando to Hawaii the day before the cruise. I called the cruiseline at 6am the day we flew out to verify that the ship was sailing and that we should go ahead and get on the plane. They said yes, definitely. We boarded the plane for the first leg of our flight to SLC. When the flight landed, and before they let anyone get off, they were paging us. We had booked our air through Carnival, so they knew where we were. We were informed that the sailing had been canceled. Just 5 hours earlier, we were told it was sailing. Long story short we ended up on the Triumph for two weeks (after full refund for cruise and air on Spirit and half off Triumph sailing), it took us 23 hours to get from Orlando to Miami - a 3 hour drive....

If you are scheduled on the Fantasy in the next couple of weeks - make sure you have all the details. If it were me and they offer a refund or sailing another ship - I would take it.

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I know what you're saying. I won't believe we're going til we push away from the dock. I'm leary of the situation. Carnival says we're going and the CG says they're not, til the proper repairs are made. They better refund our costs if we don't go! They even said the cruise Thursday is a GO, so, if it leaves Thursday, then I'll rest a little easier about our Monday cruise.
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As of 2/12/07, 4 p.m. cst, Carnival says the Thursday cruise is still on.
Unfortunately, that only means that the line has not yet announced a decision to cancel it. Realistically, I don't see how this ship will be ready to put to sea that soon. Nonetheless, it invariably takes a couple days to get people on scene, to inspect the damage, and to get the reports of the inspection to the decision makers. In this case, it's also possible that some of the required people were not readily available due to the weekend since the incident occurred on a Saturday morning.

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I was on the Conquest out of N.O. when we had to be bussed to Mississippi after an 11 hour wait in the terminal with my dad in a wheelchair (we were one of the first ones bussed out) while others were sleeping in the terminal! People got so rude like it was carnivals fault! A barge had collided at the mouth of the mississippi and 5 people were missing. The passage was closed until they found the people which meant we could not leave out of n.o. The conquest docked in mississippi and we left from there --- just fate. The whole cruise was a bummer with missed ports, etc etc but I had a GRAND time and made the most of it. I understand missing out on the cruise as you wait so long to go on one sometimes! I do feel so sorry for the people who missed this weeks cruise and I know the people next week are sweating it also. My prayers are with all of you guys! I leave out Saturday on the Liberty if my luck is in the right direction and nothing happens. It could happen to any ship, any time, any where, any cruiseline. But, Carnival won't sail until they know the safety is 100%. Like I said in previous post - would rather be safe than sorry. Sure don't want another titanic, huh!
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turkey, i hope all goes well and your able to sail

I know for me "in my own little world" that having a vacation cancel would be devastating. I have to ask off 6 months in advance as a nurse in a hospital for any extended vacation (like 2 weeks) and to find it cancel would just be horrible since i wouldnt be able to properly plan another one for another 6 months.

My hubby also works 12 hour shifts at a hospital, but i do nights...

Its always a big worry of mine. Last year we planned 3 weeks in florida..disney, the beach etc. all went well, but since it was early october i had this huge fear of red tide and hurricanes!

I understand your fear, and hugs to you!
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