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I took a WSI course many years ago. If we ever went overboard, we were told to take off our jeans, tie the legs, swish them over our heads to get air into them, and then use them for a flotation device. I WOULD do that with jeans, but I wouldn't take off my underwear, too. (I think he hit the water with no clothes on.)
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"And, as I have been preaching here, I think the cruise passengers should start a class action suit against the nuts and file suit against them for the inconviences that they are pressed through... stress of seeing a dead body, stress of if they might fall overboard themselves, the possibility of missing an excursion because of the ship's delay, just break the foot off in them."

Mehawk, I think we have enough frivolous lawsuits going around and tieing up our courts. Don't need any more.

I agree with Libragirl that the cruise lines need to bill these idiots for all the extra fuel and man hours necessary to resce them after they fall/jump overboard.
this is absolutely NOT frivilous lawsuit. I think its got a lot more merit than most i've seen. (like the peanut butter one..."have you had diarhhea in the last 12 months? Have you had peanut butter? Join our suit!") Somthing should be done. 3,000 people lost hours and hours of there vacations. Lets say they spent on average 1,000 each (and this is way low...) and your on a ship for 168 hours (on average...7 nights), this adds to around 8.00 per hour. 64.00 per person for lost time on cruise, another 64.00 per person for aggravation, and lost port time. multiply that by 3,0000 passengers. Thats roughly 400,000 in damages to the passengers. Now lets go with how much the cruise ship was out...how much the coast guard (your taxes) paid for search and rescue...oh and lets add the other cruise ships guests discomfort and annoyance/missed ports if they aided in the rescue.

Frivolous? heck i wish i was a lawyer!
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I heard on the news a little while ago that the woman remained in Mexico, getting medical treatment, and that he decided to continue his cruise.
Speaks volumes!
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i bet most people were really nice to him after his late night swim.
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Were they married?
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I am glad that they were recovered and without serious injury. What concerns me is that with the mounting numbers of people going overboard is that soon their will no longer be open balconies in which people can enjoy the open air.

I may be harsh in saying this but I strongly believe that it is almost impossible for someone to fall off a cruise ship without being grossly negligent, irresponsible or doing so with intention of committing suicide. The only way I could see someone going overboard would be in the very unlikely case of high seas, a rogue wave or being thrown overboard.

With people displaying negligent behavior the cruise lines will have to "child proof" the balconies so it will be nearly impossible for people to go overboard. This means that balconies will no longer be open air. They will be sealed in Plexiglas or some other material so people can't fall over. This will make them more of an outside cabin than a balcony and I, for one, may stop cruising if this occurs.

The cruise lines will have to weigh if the cost of lawsuits will outweigh the costs of lost revenue.

Just something to think about.

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I think a more likely solution for the cruise lines will be to install a netting device below portions of the ship that people can "FALL" from. This way they will have a place to sit and relax until the ship arrives to the next port.
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I really think the folks should be billed AND taken back to port-not allowed to continue their vacation AND not allowed on another ship. Vegas keeps pics of those that cost them money. Cruise lines can do the same.
And, the media needs to stop saying "fell" overboard. It's all hype. Mix 96 radio in Houston this morning went out of their way to NOT say "fell".

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I read in another post that they did not board together, and so met on the cruise. Sounds like a strange form of hanky panky was going on out on the balcony when a major whoops ! happened. The man was supposedly nude in the water, so draw your own conclusions.
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If they met on board and they were only sailing for 9 hours....That didn't take long!!!! Dating has changed from when I was young'er...............
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Chris.... you missed the boat..

Let's see.... lawsuit to save another human life perhaps...?

Spend the money to save a life or throw it away...??

You think it is better to save the money from the expense in the legal system than to POSSIBLY save a life...?

Yes, you missed the boat.

Think about it
Mehawk, Just how did I miss the boat? BY adding another "I'm in convineinced" lawsuit to our alrteady overburdened court system? How is a lawsuit going to save a life? Most of these overboarders are being stupid or drunk, in which case a lawsuit will not stop the next one any more than the Cruise company's billing them for the extra expenses of a search and rescue (100's of thousands of dollars, without tieing up the court system).

Missed the boat? Don't think so, just don't believe in the I'm inconvinienced, so let me sue someone mentality that has taken over our country.

Think about it.
Mr. Chris, being an "old head" in the long arm of the law and being on the streets for awhile and following some DWI cases through the court systems as well as working some establishments that serve alcohol, I have FIRST HAND KNOWLEDGE of what people tend to think of when it comes to their pocketbooks. I'm talking about 22 years of experience here.

On the cruise ships, people think that they can can get ABSOLUTELY SNOCKKERED and they will be safe, sexy, secure and supreme. They believe that they are bullet proof and the ship will turn around, pluck them from the seas and apologize for allowing the person(s) to slip overboard. {I use the verbage "slip" here because one can fall if careless or one can purposely leap. In any case, one can slip into the cover of darkness so one can slip overboard}

Think about this... these people are sober (well, they should be anyway) when they embark the ship. If they believe they can land overboard and be immune to any consequences, then they will take unbridled chances. HOWEVER, if they know, before they start drinking, that they could be found at fault and held responsible for ANY and ALL damages to the ship, employees and passengers, then they would think twice before getting that drunk.

I'll present a case in point that is close to MY HEART!

Three of my family members have had problems with alcohol and DWI. They actually got off easy on the multiple times they have been caught and arrested because of my position in the community. UNDERSTAND!! I did not and do not condone this special treatment but my brothers in law enforcement thought it was better to keep them out of jail and prison.

Now, the MAIN point... many on this site recall my horrific traffic accident (which is under the personal photos on this site) last year that claimed my life but, by the blessings of GOD, I was brought back and I am here today to try to make this world a better place as is the deal I made with GOD. My family members watched me on my deathbed and cried and prayed for me. They were all called together that first morning and advised that I was not going to make it.

Now, what caused this accident, you may ask? A drunken driver hitting me from behind at over 80 MPH. I was stopped... PARKED on the freeway and the freeway was closed, I had my emergency equipment (that's my red and blue lights) activated, but he disregarded the barricades. Why did he disregard them and drive while intoxicated, even though he had multiple convictions in the past? His BROTHER is a police officer in the jurisdiction where the accident happened and he received the same treatment in the past as my family members had!!!

This time he was not so lucky as the deputy sheriffs dealt with him and placed him under the jail for the time he was there until he made bond. I have spoken to the District Attorney and the perpetrator WILL do prison time this time. The crook's reason for driving? "Why, I thought I wouldn't get stopped and if I did I would just get an escort home because of my brother".

In regards to my family members, they NO LONGER DWI.

Chris, my new friend... LIVES are much more important than money, power or passion. If the idiots have to be sued to get their attention before they kill themselves, then I will be the first in line to file the paperwork. Gladly!

I still enjoy alcohol myself, even after my tragedy, but I do it wisely and know when to stop and CHOOSE to stop before someone else gets hurt.

I apologize to everyone about this ramble but you all know how I feel about DWI or other alcohol induced irregularities. I will stand on center stage everytime to help out my fellow man even if they are too dense to see the help themselves and disregard it.

'Nuff said!!
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In this case it sounds like being stupid does hurt!!!
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maybe the cruise line should place tv monitors and screens in the waiting area as you embark playing the cost of delaying a ship due to going overboard; rescue operations; showing what happens to a body hitting the water from 60 feet, etc, showing what happens to the pax during rescue; etc. kinda like in the old days in high school when they played the films about driving drunk or stoned.
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According to the news reports, one was 22 and the other was 20. They were not married, and there are reports that the did not know each other prior to the cruise. I thought you had to be over 21 or something to cruise alone, or be younger, but married? Anyone know how they got on board?
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This age issue has given and proven merit to the rule of at least one adult in the party being at least 25 years old. That is an issue that some of the youngsters have bellowed about on other threads. Incredible how ideas are borne out.
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