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Old November 13th, 2007, 08:31 AM
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I was just watching TV and a commercial came on promoting a news magazine program talking about cruise ship sex crimes. The few quotes they used said you're x% more likely to be sexually assaulted on a cruise ship than in port. And they had a number of people talking about how men had forced their way in to the cabins or assaulted them on deck. The big part was they were saying the companies were covering up these crimes to avoid bad press.

I had never given this much thought but an instance of this happened on my last cruise. I had made friends with a guy who was cruising with his 20 year old sister. She was having a terrible cruise because there was a man stalking her and calling at all hours of the day and night. He would turn up randomly where ever she was. They had security involved because she was scared to walk alone ON the ship.

In the last two weeks, I've seen different shows feature cruising but it's always bad--someone always goes overboard.

Do you think there is a media bias towards showing all the bad in cruising?
I don't think its so inconceivable that the cruise lines would play down sexual assaults happening on the ships.

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Old November 13th, 2007, 10:24 AM
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I think like any small city you will find your share of village idiots and weirdos, why would a cruise ship full of thousands be any different? I do think there is a media bias, but I also think in certain instances that the cruise lines could have done a better job of ensuring the safety of their passengers when they were made aware of a threatening situation. I would also not be surprised to find out that the cruise lines would like to see some of these stories go away.

I do find it encouraging that the ship's security did help toprotect your friend's 20 year old sister. However, if the guy was stalking her and behaving in a menacing manner he should have been put off at port and she should not have been forced to endure a stalker for the duration of her cruise, security or not.

This is the kind of stuff that drives me nuts. (it's a short trip)
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Old November 13th, 2007, 10:45 AM
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As an aside: if any of you Canadians want to see the report, its on this Saturday on W-five.. I think they also put it on the net after Saturday night www.ctv.ca/wfive
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I saw the preview last night on CTV here in Canada. It will be aired this Saturday evening at 7PM.......Jim H
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Old November 13th, 2007, 01:18 PM
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It seems there's always some story out there somewhere with something negative to report about cruising.
It also seems that in their haste to report something negative about cruising, the reporters forget to mention all the facts.
In the last few years cruising has become more and more popular, with somewhere near 11-12 million people cruising last year. In all those millions, there's bound to be some nut somewhere that has to create a problem. That being said, the number of documented crimes is miniscule compare to what happens everyday in an average city here in the U.S.
I live in a city of approx. 275,000. people. Everyday on the local news we hear about rape, robbery, shootings, burgularies, etc. and that's just local.
A couple of days ago there were 26 reports of vandalized automobiles in a certain section of town---all in one night.
My point is this-- if 26 cases of vandalism had occured on any one night on the top 5 cruiselines the media would have had a field day.
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As was mentioned...you are traveling on a floating city, with everything that happens on land, can happen at sea. It sure must be scary to have something happen, and have to abide by a totally different set of laws, etc.

I do know someone who's daughter was assaulted onboard a ship, and, some may not want to believe it, but the ship does close ranks, when things likek this happens...

That said, I do think the media does go overboard..pun intended...on a post the other day, a Hawaiin paper wrote about 4 deaths onboard a ship there...must have been a real slow news day...but I do think they know a cruise headline will pull the readers in:(
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Media of all types jump on cases like these. I remember when the man vacationing in Mexico was killed. The media, Canadian media, was all over it. They didn't go on a witchhunt to stop people from going to Mexico, but they did want to warn anyone going to a tropical destination where the economy isn't good to be vigilant and aware of what is going on because there is always robberies and crimes going on against tourists.

The case with the murdered man in Mexico was swept up VERY FAST, literally within hours of the death you wouldn't know that there was a crime that had taken place. The resort and the police quickly blamed the man for falling off a second floor balcony, which happened to be on the opposite side of the resort and the wrong floor (they had a main floor suite). The autopsy was quickly done and blamed on a 2nd story fall, which contradicted the autopsy (full) from a morgue in Canada, which contradicted the Mexicans by saying he did fall, but he was brutally beaten. They did say he did fall, but couldn't say from what height, but he was robbed off all possessions, which would mean a he didn't want to give up his possessions and was beaten to death....

Why media jumps all over, who knows. Maybe it's a slow day and that is all they have to cover. I'll still go, but I will be wary....

As for the girl and the stalker, I am there to have fun, not to make friends. I will be friendly, perhaps meet someone I'd like to keep in touch with, but sometimes simple flirtation goes a little too far and morphs into obsession...
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Kind of on this topic....but much less serious.

I was amazed with the fact that Carnival just puts your luggage in the middle of the hall until your steward has a chance to put it away. We saw some luggage outside people's doors for hours. I would venture to say that those that "lose" their luggage and blame Carnival, probably had their luggage stolen by some klepto who wanted to rummage through it for valuables.

Not that anybody would want my luggage full of outdated clothes, but my wife easily carries $500 worth of make-up, etc, in her make-up bag.

Anybody had problems with that before?
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Official number for last year - 25 million people went on cruises.

As for the stalking issues, is there more to that story? How did the 20 year old meet the guy? Did he follow her back to her room if he was calling her all the time? Always 2 sides to a story.

The media is a bunch of vultures. They will take anything & blow it up. Look what they do to the folks in Hollywood & such. Look at what they are doing with the latest Norovirus story in Hawaii on Norwegian. Certain websites are leaving out the fact that people were already sick when they boarded since passengers started getting sick the first night of the cruise.
It's not the ship - its the people.

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We were on a Carnival cruise that was going to be intercepted by a hurricane. The captain moved the ship out into the middle of the Gulf of Mexico so we would be out of harm's way. Got an extra day of cruising and Carnival was fabulous about everything. When we were finally able to get back to the home port, the media was all over us. BUT, when we said we were impressed by how the situation had been handled, they literally ran away from us! They went around looking for passengers who were pissed and interviewed them and only them. The news story that night was so biased that it was like a different ship had been involved, except that they mentioned which one it was.
I was annoyed that I wrote to Carnival saying thank you. What did I get back? I didn't expect anything, but they sent a gift certificate for a bon voyage package on our next cruise. Very classy!
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It appears that the media wants to report on nothing but terrible things. Some in government wants us to have nothing but terrible things. Of course, this is my opinion but some people's trash is another person's treasure.
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I have to agree that the media loves negative issues, even more so when it comes to to the cruise industry. It's not often that you see a positive story that accuratly describes the way a cruise really is. We know because we cruise, but those who don't will not get the real scoop from the media.

I feel better after getting this off my chest.

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I have to agree that the news media concentrates on the negative.

Who would tune in to..."fun cruise completed with no mishaps, film at 11"?

Or..."see T.O. score a touch down and hand the ball to the ref! Only on channel 2!!"?

Yep...mostly bad makes the news.
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It was something like this----
" the bubble headed bleached blonde comes on at five--- she can tell you about the plane crash with a gleam in her eye--- it's interesting when people die--give us dirty laundry " I can't remember all of it but another line or two was--- " did they do the operation--is the head dead yet--you know the boys in the newsrooms got a running bet--- get the widow on the set-- give us dirty laundry " " we can do the innuendo --we can dance and sing--when it's all said and done we haven't told you a thing --we all know that crap is king--we need dirty laundry "

I always thought about Dan Rather every time I heard that song !

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Out of curiosity.....

Are those media haters on this board saying that when a harsh, violent, or controversial news story comes on the TV that you turn the channel or turn off the TV altogether????? If not, then you understand why they continue to air this "dirty laundry". It sells, and the ratings go up.

It's the American way.
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Nope--- I don't think anyone " hates " the media as you imply. It's just that some of us get a little kick out of how the news is slanted.
Yes, there's a need for fair and unbiased news reporting. As a free and democratic country, we need that--key words--fair and unbiased--.
When it comes to cruising, it seems that the news reporting is not so fair and unbiased.

Co_cruiser, lighten up a little-- most of us understand ratings, hype, etc.
Most of us can distinguish between bull$%#t and fact--
Relax-- it's better for you than being too tight.
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Are those media haters on this board saying that when a harsh, violent, or controversial news story comes on the TV that you turn the channel or turn off the TV altogether????? If not, then you understand why they continue to air this "dirty laundry". It sells, and the ratings go up.

It's the American way.
I don't see any media "haters" here.

And my post was tongue in cheek.
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I however, AM a media hater.. (but only cuz I work in the media)

As an aside, I was sent this press release today on the very show I was talking about..

W-FIVE's Exposé on Cruise Ship Crimes airs Saturday, November 17 at 7 p.m. on CTV-

CTV National News with Lloyd Robertson revealed tonight the alarming findings from an upcoming W-FIVE investigation. In an exclusive report, CTV's Tom Clark has uncovered a disturbing rate of violent crime taking place onboard cruise ships - especially sexual assaults. Clark found that travellers - including Canadians - are much more likely to be sexually assaulted on a cruise ship than they would be onshore. W-FIVE's complete investigation airs this Saturday, November 17 at 7 p.m. ET on CTV (visit CTV.ca to confirm local broadcast times).

In the one-hour episode, Clark and the W-FIVE team found that there are hundreds of travellers who have been victims of violent crimes on cruise ships. The majority of time the attackers are members of the cruise ship's crew - a fact that some cruise lines try to cover up.

W-FIVE obtained confidential studies from one of the major cruise lines which reveal that violent crime on cruise ships are in fact underreported and that attackers will most likely not do any jail time.

Canadian police have no jurisdiction on cruise ships and American police can only help Americans in certain circumstances. The only hope for justice while at sea is that police in the next port of call would help - but that almost never happens.
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I vote for vigilante justice.

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Hey Ron.....

Are you a psychologist? I mean, your suggestions and advice really just lifted a huge weight off my shoulders. Thanks for the help.....it saved me an hour of laying on the couch at my normal shrink's office.

...and you say I am "too tight"? Your world must be really stressful having to save all of us who are in need of your guidance.
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Hey Ron.....

Are you a psychologist? I mean, your suggestions and advice really just lifted a huge weight off my shoulders. Thanks for the help.....it saved me an hour of laying on the couch at my normal shrink's office.

...and you say I am "too tight"? Your world must be really stressful having to save all of us who are in need of your guidance.
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Hey peoples: Let's stay on topic.. We're talking about CRUISING.. I believe the "pickle up my a$$ board" is on another site.
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