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Old February 12th, 2008, 04:28 PM
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On my last cruise, there were a number of groups among the passengers.
Most of the groups were wonderful, including the Barbershop Choir meeting on board from around North America. They performed in the Atrium one evening.
Then there was the group of 800. Because of all their meetings, most evening it was very hard to find any lounge open to the rest of the passengers.
Is there a way to check online before purchasing a cruise, to know if a large group like that is also booked?
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Probably the most effective way to discover large groups onboard is to do a Google search using your ship and sailing dates.

Its quite likely that the larger groups, that may be somewhat disruptive to what you're expecting, will show up advertising their group somewhere on the net.
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We have a son with Autism for whom certain groups that sail with Carnival would be a disaster (like Goth~~he is terrified of people he considers to be "in costume") etc.

So I keep a calendar (for Carnival only) of all groups (so not to be discriminatory) that I can find. Now it is no way "complete"... there is no way to know about every group.

I have found that as long as groups stay around the 100 range, they will not negatively affect the cruise of the average person.

We would LOVE to do one of Rusty Wallace's Race Theme cruises, but I fear the number of smokers would increase proportionately (like at a Nascar race) so we have had to avoid that as well.

There used to be a website GroupsAhoy that listed all groups so that you could avoid (or join in) as the case may be. But that site has been down for over 3 years now...I really miss it.

Some sites you can :check: (but again are not complete) are:

http://unofficialcarnivalwiki.com/wiki/Group_Cruises
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I can't see any difference between a grooup being on board or not. The passenger count will be the same irregardless.
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Michael.. that would depend on the size of the group. If the groups are large enough they could close certain public rooms for the use of the group only. They do that for smaller groups for cocktails etc. , but if the group was very large it could indeed impact and restrict what areas are available for passenger use.

On the other hand, almost every cruise has a number of various groups onboard, and most of the time you won't even notice them unless you see their t-shirts, or happen to come across them having a group picture taken in the atrium.
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One of our cruises last year (I think it was the "Miracle") had a group of cross dressers aboard. It was a little bit shocking at first, as you don't generally see 6'3" red headed women with whiskers, but we got to know them, and frankly, we had a good time with them aboard. As much as we sail, I can't think of any group that was really disruptive, and in most cases, they added to the pleasure of the cruise. Perhaps it's a matter of attitude?

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We had a group of Bears on one of our cruises. It was, to say the least, a little embarrassing. They took over part of the lido, and Carnival staff had to try and block off their area, because of the things they were doing.

I wish them well, but hope I am not lucky enough to be on a ship with a large group of them again.
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I heard you should avoid any cruise with a group from CruiseMates aboard. Not only are they party animals, but their leader is KUKI.

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The biggest difference is IF they do things together.

A Cruisemates group would probably do their own thing most of the time.
They just happen to know (or at least have talked to) each other before the cruise.

The biggest problem with LARGE groups is if they all want to eat together. If they all want the 5:45 dining time, then others wanting that dining time have less of a chance to get it.

Another problem can be if they all want a certain excursion together. The sheer numbers can book up an excursion to the exclusion of the "regular" passenger.
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We had a group of Bears on one of our cruises. It was, to say the least, a little embarrassing. They took over part of the lido, and Carnival staff had to try and block off their area, because of the things they were doing.

I wish them well, but hope I am not lucky enough to be on a ship with a large group of them again.
I understand what you mean. There is a reason I don't book my vacations at Hedonism II. If they want to swing from the light fixtures with 15 partners, that is their business...but I just don't want to be exposed to it.

Fortunately, there are only 5 groups that I know of that have been disruptive. One swingers group sexually assaulted crew members. One is a "bears" group that sponsored a "porn cruise" on RCCL. (not to be confused with other bear groups that have not caused trouble) The Motley Cruise on the Imagination last month had 1,700 followers onboard....which literally took over the ship. Most were fine, but there was the usual percentage of idiots that broke windows etc. A friend of mine had Evil Dick (Big Brother winner last season) as his tablemate.

We were actually booked on the Motley Cruise and I found out in time and was able to back up our B2B to 01-28 and 02-02.

The good news is that most groups just cause logistical problems with dining times and excursions. Even the bars they take over are usually during the day when no one else is using them.
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The only time I would see a problem with it, is like someone said, a big party where everyone seems to be having a great time, and you find yourself not invited.
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One of our cruises last year (I think it was the "Miracle") had a group of cross dressers aboard. It was a little bit shocking at first, as you don't generally see 6'3" red headed women with whiskers, but we got to know them, and frankly, we had a good time with them aboard. As much as we sail, I can't think of any group that was really disruptive, and in most cases, they added to the pleasure of the cruise. Perhaps it's a matter of attitude?

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He he he I would love to have a group of cross dressers on a cruise I was on. I would join them and have fun. I worked with a gay cross-dresser and He/she looked better in a dress!!!!!!

I went on a cruise with a group of animal behaviourist that literally took had several of the rooms booked for their sessions during the day and even in the evening.

The cruise I just came back from had a rather large group of people from Loisuiana there to celebrate Mardi Gras. They were very nice and pleasant to be around. They truly had a good time. I fear that many of them had nasty hangovers on Wednesday and swore to give up alcohol for Lent.....Hmm, any of you on here at all from that sailing?.....
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"We had a group of Bears on one of our cruises"

Luanne:

What type of bears polar grizzly Kowala or Chicago lol
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I do enjoy seeing their t-shirts.
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you would be surprise on how many people who live in New Orleans, leave New Orleans during Mardi Gras season since school is out and they don't want to be bothered with all the insanity or rent their homes out for enough $$$$$ to pay their property taxes for a year
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Luanne:

What type of bears polar grizzly Kowala or Chicago lol
These bears had very few clothes on, which created part of the problem.

It was also all men bears, no women!!
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Luanne, I guess I have lived a sheltered life...I asked, what "Bears" were, & I got, a, sort of explanation, so I googled it..OY OY OY OY!

A page came up, and NOW, I know!!!! I just bet I will be getting some unusual spam:(:(
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One of our cruises last year (I think it was the "Miracle") had a group of cross dressers aboard. It was a little bit shocking at first, as you don't generally see 6'3" red headed women with whiskers, but we got to know them, and frankly, we had a good time with them aboard. As much as we sail, I can't think of any group that was really disruptive, and in most cases, they added to the pleasure of the cruise. Perhaps it's a matter of attitude?

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Luanne, I guess I have lived a sheltered life...I asked, what "Bears" were, & I got, a, sort of explanation, so I googled it..OY OY OY OY!

A page came up, and NOW, I know!!!! I just bet I will be getting some unusual spam
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I am so sorry!!! I didn't know how to explain, and now you know why. They had to block out part of the Lido, because of the "strange behavior"
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Luanne, I guess I have lived a sheltered life...I asked, what "Bears" were, & I got, a, sort of explanation, so I googled it..OY OY OY OY!

A page came up, and NOW, I know!!!! I just bet I will be getting some unusual spam
I doubt you'll get any "spam" or anything else from just clicking on the link, unless you asked for information.

I must say that 99.999% of "Bears" or any other gay groups (or any groups) that we've sailed with have not caused any problems. ONE time, ONE group was out of control and now everyone thinks that happens on every cruise! NOT!

There's just as much of a possibility of trouble on a CM group cruise as there is on a gay group cruise or any other group cruise, IMO.

I must say that I'm surprised by the posts of some people who I thought I knew...
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Luanne, I guess I have lived a sheltered life...I asked, what "Bears" were, & I got, a, sort of explanation, so I googled it..OY OY OY OY!

A page came up, and NOW, I know!!!! I just bet I will be getting some unusual spam
I doubt you'll get any "spam" or anything else from just clicking on the link, unless you asked for information.

I must say that 99.999% of "Bears" or any other gay groups (or any groups) that we've sailed with have not caused any problems. ONE time, ONE group was out of control and now everyone thinks that happens on every cruise! NOT!

There's just as much of a possiblility of trouble on a CM group cruise as there is on a gay group cruise or any other group cruise, IMO.

I must say that I'm surprised by the posts of some people who I thought I knew...
I sense a message here, but I'm not getting it.

Please let me clarify what I said. This is was one group. They could have been any group, but they happened to call themselves Bears.

Them being Gay had nothing to do with it. If a straight group did what these guys did, in public, I would have wanted them covered too.

I didn't complain, as we just decided to go inside, and let them do their thing, but others complained, so the cover was offered.

The subject was groups and this is the only one that I ever had a problem with. I have cruised with other groups, and except them taking over areas, that I paid to be able to visit, I have had no trouble with any of them.
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Luanne, I guess I have lived a sheltered life...I asked, what "Bears" were, & I got, a, sort of explanation, so I googled it..OY OY OY OY!

A page came up, and NOW, I know!!!! I just bet I will be getting some unusual spam
I doubt you'll get any "spam" or anything else from just clicking on the link, unless you asked for information.

I must say that 99.999% of "Bears" or any other gay groups (or any groups) that we've sailed with have not caused any problems. ONE time, ONE group was out of control and now everyone thinks that happens on every cruise! NOT!

There's just as much of a possiblility of trouble on a CM group cruise as there is on a gay group cruise or any other group cruise, IMO.

I must say that I'm surprised by the posts of some people who I thought I knew...
I sense a message here, but I'm not getting it.

Please let me clarify what I said. This is was one group. They could have been any group, but they happened to call themselves Bears.

Them being Gay had nothing to do with it. If a straight group did what these guys did, in public, I would have wanted them covered too.

I didn't complain, as we just decided to go inside, and let them do their thing, but others complained, so the cover was offered.

The subject was groups and this is the only one that I ever had a problem with. I have cruised with other groups, and except them taking over areas, that I paid to be able to visit, I have had no trouble with any of them.
You are so correct.

But to be perfectly clear...there are only 5 groups that have caused enough trouble to disrupt a cruise vacation in recent years.

Only ONE was gay. The others were a group of hashers (completely hetero) , a group of swingers (whatever) , a group of Thugs that turned it into a Ghetto cruise with tons of foul language, aggressive behavior, physical attacks on fellow passengers and fights, a group of musicians (actually two groups of musicians - one from New Orleans and one from Miami) .

So this has nothing to do with "lifestyles" and everything to do with respect. And folks who use "lifestyles" as an excuse should be ashamed!
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Fern, no one intimated that they thought this happened all the time, at least I didn't read into, anything like that...My observation was that Luanne mentioned, that, because of the behavior on that cruise, Carnival thought precautions needed to be taken, and to my mind rightfully so.

I think you can apperciate how someone walking into the lido deck, and seeing, what to "THEM" might be inapropriate conduct, by others, would be disconcerting, especially if they had kids with them. Public behavior is up for scrutiny, private behavior, who would know......

As you can see from my post, if I was told there were bears on the ship I would have said..where's Yogi? Now I know. Everyone has the right to their opinions, as we see in this thread, and that's a good thing. I saw no disrespect.

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Luanne, I guess I have lived a sheltered life...I asked, what "Bears" were, & I got, a, sort of explanation, so I googled it..OY OY OY OY!

A page came up, and NOW, I know!!!! I just bet I will be getting some unusual spam
I doubt you'll get any "spam" or anything else from just clicking on the link, unless you asked for information.

I must say that 99.999% of "Bears" or any other gay groups (or any groups) that we've sailed with have not caused any problems. ONE time, ONE group was out of control and now everyone thinks that happens on every cruise! NOT!

There's just as much of a possiblility of trouble on a CM group cruise as there is on a gay group cruise or any other group cruise, IMO.

I must say that I'm surprised by the posts of some people who I thought I knew...
I sense a message here, but I'm not getting it.

Please let me clarify what I said. This is was one group. They could have been any group, but they happened to call themselves Bears.

Them being Gay had nothing to do with it. If a straight group did what these guys did, in public, I would have wanted them covered too.

I didn't complain, as we just decided to go inside, and let them do their thing, but others complained, so the cover was offered.

The subject was groups and this is the only one that I ever had a problem with. I have cruised with other groups, and except them taking over areas, that I paid to be able to visit, I have had no trouble with any of them.
I guess I'm just a little sensitive since I have several "Bear" friends. I agree that no one should be doing things on deck that should be done in the privacy of their cabin ! Usually, when this group question comes up it's aimed at gays. I guess it wasn't, this time. Sorry.
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Trip, we were posting at the same time!

I certainly agree that public displays of affection by anyone should be limited in public places.

Where's Yogi? Now that's funny!
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Old February 16th, 2008, 08:52 PM
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Trip, we were posting at the same time!

I certainly agree that public displays of affection by anyone should be limited in public places.

Where's Yogi? Now that's funny!
You are right. Like with the other groups listed....it only takes one "group" to make it a pain for everyone else.

There are Bears and hashers that don't act like the "disruptive" group and there we were on the cruise with a group of Swingers who kept it private.
Unfortunately, these groups who do conduct themself respectfully end up paying for the antics of a very few.
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Fern, one great thing about this site is, different opinons are accepted and discussions are encouraged. The respect in this cruise community, I find commendable, and most appreciated:):)
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I am glad this has been cleared up. In no way would I suggest that all people are included in bad behavior. I was trying to be delicate on what I saw, and experienced. I could tell you, but half the people on here would want more info, half would have heart attacks, and some would privately e-mail me for info on how to join.

It was not what they were, but what they were doing in public, in front of kids, that I objected to, and I do not mean holding hands, and kissing.
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Thank you for all the replies, the information helps a lot.

I didn't say what type of group because I didn't think it mattered why they were a group.

But if it does matter, they were a group of 400 hetero couples (800 passengers) who promote old fashioned and, from what I saw, somewhat religious marriages.
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