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I just want to let all of you know that you will be safe in New Orleans. PM me if you have any concerns. Melody
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No...you crazy fools! I've already received a few PM's from people wanting to book the cruise, but they are concerned about safety in New Orleans. SO, I thought I could reassure them!!!

As with any city, there are places you don't want to go. Hotel staff and those of us familiar with the city will be glad to tell you what to steer clear of! Actually MOST of the tourist area is quite safe and I walk Bourbon St by myself on busy weekend nights! It's those dark side streets you need to stay away from!

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MEL OH DEE!!!
"I walk Bourbon St. by myself"

Choose your words carefully, you know Venice may take this & run with it!
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Trudy...thanks! Howver, I think all of them will have a great time with that sentence!

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Trudy..how DARE you imply that I would take advantage of Mel's efforts to demonstrate how safe the streets of New Orleans are when she walks Bourbon street by herself ::::::

Mel is NEVER alone..I provide protection for her by making sure that the NOPD is well aware of her location by a GPS tracking device that I have attached to her ankle, that the purple and gold boas cover ::::::

actually, the SAFEST part of New Orleans is the French Quarter, plus due to the fact that the Quarter is located on "high ground", there was zero damage done to it by either Katrina or the levee breaking

If we can survive, 2 BCS national championship football games in one week, Mardi Gras and the NBA All Star game without incident, I'm confident we can handle 200 Cruise Mates 8) 8) 8) without incident..the question should be can the reputation of New Orleans withstand the wild and partying group of Cruise Mates
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Venice,,, We sure hope NOLA can handle the influx of all of us next year,,,I'd say be afraid,,,be very afraid Cuz we be one wild and crazy group
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I'll alert the "Girls Gone Wild" folks to come to New Orleans and film a special CruiseMate" edition :: and also Cops
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the cops? we can handle the cops cant we ladies! im sure that they would love to join in with us cruisemates.
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I just want to let all of you know that you will be safe in New Orleans. PM me if you have any concerns. Melody
Gotta disagree with ya there, Melody.
I have been to New Orleans many times and have been warned by the locals to not venture away from the crowds.
Recent reports show that the crime rate is higher than it has ever been.
The lumber and wood is even being stolen from the houses that are being constructed for those displaced by Katrina.

I have a friend who was displaying at a trade show there two years ago. One of his employees made the mistake of taking a short cut back to the hotel. He was hit so hard in the back of his head with a2x4 that both of his eyes popped out.

Here is a resident's observation:

I have lived in New Orleans for the past eight years, and I'm sorry to say that the crime here is so bad now that I will move out of the city in January. In the past, the NOPD was able to keep violent crime out of the tourist areas. Incidents of crime against tourists was mostly related to inebriated people exercising poor judgment such as wandering near the adjacent housing projects on the north side of the French Quarter, or seeking illegal drugs on the street. Now, with a significantly reduced police force and a substantially non-functioning city attorney's office, the thugs have taken their violence to new hieghts. One murder per day is common, and three or four murders in one day is no longer uncommon. Many more murders are now committed on the street in broad daylight, and the violence has recently moved into the formerly sacred French Quarter. Two weeks ago, a gunman spraying bullets into a crowed bar on Decatur Street, and has not been apprehended. Two nights ago, an 18-yr old was stabbed to death in the middle of Bourbon Street in the heart of the Quarter. The perpetrator has not been identified. Until recently, I employed off-duty NOPD officers to patrol my business grounds. They tell me that the thugs have no fear of criminal prosecution, becuase the DA's office is more or less non-functional. Even murder suspects are released on bail. To people unfamiliar with New Orleans, this testimony may sound unreal. But believe me, it's every bit as bad as the media reports, and it's getting worse. If you really want to visit New Orleans, I recommend you stay in the tourist areas, and keep your wits about you. Don't engage the street hustlers, and for heaven sake, don't wander out of the Quarter at night. God bless.

I'm not saying we should write off New Orleans because I love visiting the city.
It is not safe and use ridiculous, paranoid care when you visit.
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Dan I am glad to see a balance in this thread. While no one wants to think about something bad happening while on vacation, it can and does. You gave us all good advice. Use common sense, use caution. It is OK to be paranoid. It is good advice to follow, no matter where you are, but especially when in unfamiliar surroundings. In a month we will return to New Orleans. It will be our second trip back since Katrina. I love the town and look forward to returning again. We'll also be going to NYC too. If I didn't believe we'd be safe, we would not be going. But it is up to us to make good decisions so we don't tempt fate. So stay with the crowds in well lit areas. Don't engage in illicit, illegal practices and be cognizant of your surroundings, especially after dark. Take cabs instead of walking in risky areas. Be smart.
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Exactly what I was trying to convey.
As beautiful and fun as that city is...it still has the highest crime rate in the nation.
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common sense always prevails no matter where you go in terms of safety at any destination...crime statisics are based upon population patterns which in this city is a constantly changing numbers combined with a weaken criminal justice system and a magnified media exposure..but the upside is that there is a concentrated law enforcement effort to combat this challenge at all levels and we are starting to see signs of progress using the last few major events (2 BCS bowls, Mardi Gras, NBA All Star)as a litmus test...visitors are surprise that as long as they use common sense they encountered no major problems in our city..they come with certain perceptions (negative) and leave with (positive) perceptions

the hard part is getting people to come (perception is reality)

Now, here is where our upcoming BLOG2NOLA will be slightly different then your normal pre cruise experience...you are coming to visit your extended family (Mel and I) and in true Southern Hospitality, you therefore are not a visitor, so we are working very closely with Kuki to try to plan activities (pre cruise) designed to give you an insider's experience of New Orleans that is safe and unique and fun..stick with your family and you will be fine

By nature (remember I am a Yankee of the worst kind a New Yorker :: whom has grown to love this city in the 10 years that I have been here, due to a large part in learning the city from it's natives like Mel ) I am not a person who extends himself to people I have never actually met, but this time I am making an exception

Mel's intention was trying to ease the concerns that we both know are out there about post Katrina New Orleans that people are thinking about, but not saying..just don't let it discourage you..if I were visiting your city pre cruise and did not know anyone, I would plan accordingly in terms of my safety..at least this time you know "family"....fyi, your greatest safety concern should be how to protect yourself from Mel ::
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Dan,

I didn't say there wasn't crime in New Orleans....crime is in every city. However, if you stay in the suggested areas and stay with a crowd, you will be safe. I have been on Bourbon St. by myself at night and I walked by myself to the parking garage at Canal Place and had no problems. The police presence is VERY evident and I felt safe. Now, do I venture down Rampart Street...........NO! Do I head to the projects..........NO! I think every one should be concerned with crime across the US. With a little common sense and preplanning, everyone should enjoy their visit to New Orleans. So, come on Dan.....are you gonna cruise with us?

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Cmon Danny Boy...come play with us! Don't be afraid, I'll protect you from Mel! She might scare you, but she'll never hurt you, lol
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I didn't say there wasn't crime in New Orleans....crime is in every city. However, if you stay in the suggested areas and stay with a crowd, you will be safe. I have been on Bourbon St. by myself at night and I walked by myself to the parking garage at Canal Place and had no problems. The police presence is VERY evident and I felt safe. Now, do I venture down Rampart Street...........NO! Do I head to the projects..........NO! I think every one should be concerned with crime across the US. With a little common sense and preplanning, everyone should enjoy their visit to New Orleans. So, come on Dan.....are you gonna cruise with us?

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I only felt it was necessary to counter the "you will be safe in New Orleans" flat statement and comparing it with other cities as if they are on some kind of par.

To make these implications is a dangerous disservice to folks who have not been there as extensively as you and others such as myself.

My posts stated only facts AND mentioned that I love going there.

The state of New Orleans is an unfortunte truth.
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I disagree. New Orleans IS at least as safe for tourists as ANY city.

There is a visible police presence throughout the French Quarter and anywhere tourists venture.

It is each individual's responsibility to use an ounce of common sense and you will be fine.

As for lumber being stolen, if you have been to New Orleans since Katrina, can get a feel for how widespread the devastation was and still is. The police are more focused on protecting population and tourist centers. In areas where there might literally be 1 house being remodeled among 50 abandoned ones it isn't possible to dedicate 1 cop to protect 1 house 24 hours a day.

The overwhelming majority of violent crime is gang or drug related in areas where no tourist ventures. Unless the nature of your visit is drug or gang related, you have little to fear. Of course there will be an isolated incident occasionally as there is in ANY city.

The recent success of New Orleans hosting an amazing NBA all-star weekend with none of the violence that happended in Las Vegas last year didn't seem to get much media attention at all. Good news doesn't sell advertising.

A couple of other events successfully hosted this year include Mardi Gras and the BCS Championship Bowl.

New Orleans is not the lawless town some people portray it as being. Come on down, yall!
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I spend at least 100 days on the road each year. In that time I am in Miami, Jacksonville, CA (including Oakland and Alameda), Seattle, Port Angeles, Everett, Mobile, Norfolk, Richmond, Chicago, Detroit, Pascagoula, New Orleans to name some.
Each of those cities has a noticeable "bad" area... noticeably Miami, Detroit and Oakland.

Before Katrina I would have agreed that the tourists areas were relatively safe. That is no longer the case.
I am only trying to give an insight into what I am aware of so folks will be careful.

Claiming New Orleans is safe is like putting lip stick on a pig.

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You forgot Philadelphia.

New Orleans is quite safe for tourists and that's a fact. It as least as safe for tourists as pre-K - and that's a fact.

If you get fall down drunk and wander into a ghetto looking for drugs, you need to exercise a little more common sense.

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I was in Las Vegas last year during the NBA All Star Game.... and it was MAYHEM.

The MAYHEM was the story that week, not the game.

Have to admit I heard of no such incidents out of NOLA this past weekend... so assume it had to go well.

I've travelled all over the world. And to some countries with some pretty serious unrest..... like Istanbul a week before a bombing..... yet during our time in Istanbul we walked everywhere for 2 and 1/2 days and never felt threatened. Had it been a week later we could have been a casualty of that violence. In Israel we were walking in area where two people had been kidnapped a week prior. In Egypt our tour bus was escorted by machine gun toting guards.

If fear drives your bus you don't get very far

Violence can indeed jump out at you anywhere. And even awareness sometimes isn't enough. You have to exercise caution, but you also have to live your life.
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Well, I have to say there are plenty of other cities that I would be a bit more fearful of visiting than New Orleans. I think one would defer to those who actually live in the area, rather than to depend upon sensationalized media attention, which can affect the reputation of any large city.

I LIVE HERE. I WORK HERE. I'VE BEEN HERE ALL MY LIFE, AND I'M HERE TO TELL ALL OF YOU THAT NEW ORLEANS IS SAFE! Just be aware of your surroundings, stay with the crowd and you will be fine.

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I stand corrected. New Orleans is awesome. Go without a care.
And Melody, I was mistaken I thouhght you lived about 90 miles away.
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Dan, I live 60 miles away.....but I work for the State of LA so I am there during the week, plus there are lots of fun things to do there on the weekend. I'm there more than one would imagine. Now, why don't you book the cruise so I can show you and your family around town? It will be fun, I promise!

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I didn't forget it, I don't go there.
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and I thought we might have to warn people about Kuki---just kidding
No matter where you are---things can happen--- both good and bad----
as we always tell our son when he leaves the house--be smart not stupid---and be aware------

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You forgot Philadelphia.

New Orleans is quite safe for tourists and that's a fact. It as least as safe for tourists as pre-K - and that's a fact.

If you get fall down drunk and wander into a ghetto looking for drugs, you need to exercise a little more common sense.

I stand by my posts.
You must have skimmed over this part of the comment WRITTEN BY A NOLA RESIDENT:

"Many more murders are now committed on the street in broad daylight, and the violence has recently moved into the formerly sacred French Quarter. Two weeks ago, a gunman spraying bullets into a crowed bar on Decatur Street, and has not been apprehended. Two nights ago, an 18-yr old was stabbed to death in the middle of Bourbon Street in the heart of the Quarter."

Apparently, fall down drunk or looking for drugs is not a requirement to be a victim, huh?
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Apparently not.....sometimes angry, bitter people do strange things.....

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Here is a resident's observation:

I have lived in New Orleans for the past eight years, and I'm sorry to say that the crime here is so bad now that I will move out of the city in January. In the past, the NOPD was able to keep violent crime out of the tourist areas. Incidents of crime against tourists was mostly related to inebriated people exercising poor judgment such as wandering near the adjacent housing projects on the north side of the French Quarter, or seeking illegal drugs on the street. Now, with a significantly reduced police force and a substantially non-functioning city attorney's office, the thugs have taken their violence to new hieghts. One murder per day is common, and three or four murders in one day is no longer uncommon. Many more murders are now committed on the street in broad daylight, and the violence has recently moved into the formerly sacred French Quarter. Two weeks ago, a gunman spraying bullets into a crowed bar on Decatur Street, and has not been apprehended. Two nights ago, an 18-yr old was stabbed to death in the middle of Bourbon Street in the heart of the Quarter. The perpetrator has not been identified. Until recently, I employed off-duty NOPD officers to patrol my business grounds. They tell me that the thugs have no fear of criminal prosecution, becuase the DA's office is more or less non-functional. Even murder suspects are released on bail. To people unfamiliar with New Orleans, this testimony may sound unreal. But believe me, it's every bit as bad as the media reports, and it's getting worse. If you really want to visit New Orleans, I recommend you stay in the tourist areas, and keep your wits about you. Don't engage the street hustlers, and for heaven sake, don't wander out of the Quarter at night. God bless.

Let's examine this piece of Internet based yellow journalism. Hearsay being presented in the forum as fact. Written by a New Orleans resident? What proof do you have of that? Do you believe everything you read in a newspaper - much less the Internet?

This is 2008. The hearsay being presented is from 2006 if not older.
http://members.virtualtourist.com:80/m/cf900/c19b6/8/

It is posted anonymously.

The "resident", if they actually told the truth (for once) is no longer a RESIDENT.

People who are drunk do stupid things - whether it is looking for drugs or getting behind the wheel of an automobile. We are all accountable for our own actions.

The murders being committed are criminal against criminal - thugs who settle differences with guns. Very targeted, very personal. Tourists are NOT being targeted. Each murder of this kind results in one or more murders in retaliation. Again, tourists are NOT targets.

Nobody can guarantee absolute safety for everyone, all the time, anywhere in the world, but the French Quarter is SAFE.

The events mentioned in the article are FROM 2006. Spraying bullets into a bar? Didn't happen. There were 3 people shot multiple times in a bar and the shooting was targeted and personal. Two "innocent" bystanders were slightly wounded and declined medical care. Makes me question how innocent they really were.

The DA in question (Eddie Jordan) resigned last year so that problem is gone.

The media reports are full of sensationalism and yellow journalism. Kind of reminds me of...

Whatever happen to your post about not chewing your cud? Did you eat it? Changed your mind I guess.

I can even predict where this will go - you will do search after Google search for any dirt you can find on the city in an attempt to make an inaccurate assertion somehow valid.

What then typically happens is locals, regular visitors, and first time posters will dispute the hearsay with first hand reports of what a wonderful, SAFE time they had in New Orleans.

Yall come on down!
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I was in Las Vegas last year during the NBA All Star Game.... and it was MAYHEM.

The MAYHEM was the story that week, not the game.

Have to admit I heard of no such incidents out of NOLA this past weekend... so assume it had to go well.
Thanks Kuki. It was a wonderful time. Some 2500 NBA players and staff and whatever turned up Friday in an All-Star Day of Service - something the bloggers seem receptive to. The entire weekend went off almost perfectly.

http://www.nba.com/allstar2008/news/...ng_080207.html

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports...1,737184.story

http://sportsline.com/columns/story/10650998

http://www.nola.com/living/index.ssf...elebrates.html
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