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dinkydi April 16th, 2008 05:05 PM

carnival slots
 
Do slot machines have a minimum pay back % on ships or can the cruiselines set it at anything they like? They certainly don't seem to return much in the way of winnings in general

skymaster April 16th, 2008 07:59 PM

They can, and do change the percentage of pay back during the cruise. I don't know when the pay back percentage goes up, however it seems that the first day out the lovely Mrs. Jones (Vita) seems to do better than she does later in the cruise. :wink:

Ken
"Sky"

misguidedangel April 16th, 2008 08:14 PM

If there is such a thing for payouts on the slots then I didn't reap any of the rewards. I donated each and every day. I did it with a smile because I was on a lovely floating hotel with a few port stops. You can't get any better than that. Donate or win, either way I have fun!

rosetattoo April 16th, 2008 11:46 PM

In my experience, the slots seemed to pay off on the first day so you get sucked in and keep coming back, however, I have hit in the morning on sea days as soon as they open.

Dutchman April 18th, 2008 11:08 AM

Same old slots 1 person is lucky and 50 are not.

BEFdoc July 16th, 2008 05:23 AM

Working in the business, table games, I have often wondered if the cruise lines roll the winning percentages back and forth during the cruise. My experience has always been winning going, losing coming back. First day wins seem to be more common. I have never talked to a casino slot tech on board, but, I know in mainland casinos they manipulate the payout % regularly so it wouldn't surprise me in the least if they also do it on board. Just FYI

scubapete July 16th, 2008 07:45 AM

We played slots a little bit each day, dropping $20 a day or so. Wife won $100 the first nite out. I hit $1000 the next to the last nite. I did not see a whole lot of large payouts the whole trip, but I did not spend a lot of time in there. This was my first time in a casino, we had a blast.

skymaster July 16th, 2008 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by BEFdoc
Working in the business, table games, I have often wondered if the cruise lines roll the winning percentages back and forth during the cruise. My experience has always been winning going, losing coming back. First day wins seem to be more common. I have never talked to a casino slot tech on board, but, I know in mainland casinos they manipulate the payout % regularly so it wouldn't surprise me in the least if they also do it on board. Just FYI

I'm a computer engineer, and I sometimes board the ships to work on the systems aboard. I have talked to the techs who maintain the slots, and I can absolutely guarantee you that they do indeed roll the percentages from day to day, and sometimes from hour to hour.

Ken
"Sky"

popsec July 16th, 2008 02:40 PM

When we did a B2B on the Imagination last April I thought the slot payouts were the worst we'd ever seen. My husband asked the pit boss what the payback percentage was and he replied 80% :shock: ....that's pretty poor!

briguy July 16th, 2008 05:26 PM

Guess the best idea is if you want to play slots use the mainland casinos since paybacks are generally posted and strictly regulated. Cruise lines in my opinion stick it to the customer a little harder than regular casinos. To add insult to injury they dont even offer a single free drink to the players. ( Another reason to sneak on alcohol).

popsec July 16th, 2008 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by briguy
Guess the best idea is if you want to play slots use the mainland casinos since paybacks are generally posted and strictly regulated. Cruise lines in my opinion stick it to the customer a little harder than regular casinos. To add insult to injury they dont even offer a single free drink to the players. ( Another reason to sneak on alcohol).

If you play in the casino quite a bit on the ship they will buy you a drink or 2 a day...but nothing to get too excited about

BobMiller July 17th, 2008 10:58 AM

There is a reason the casinos are only open in International Waters. The ships don't have to follow any gambling regulations at sea or pay any taxes. Even in ports were gambling is legal, like New Orleans, the cruise lines don’t want their casinos regulated. I have heard that sometimes ships stay in port overnight and of those sometimes the casino opens sometimes not, depending on the regulatory enforcement of the port.

The Gaming Commission in Las Vegas controls how the slots work there. They set a minimum payback but it is way lower than the market competition generates but they also require that the functions, payback, or odds of the slots cannot be changed on the fly. The slots must have static programs and a commissioner has to review and approved the machines any time they are changed. I don’t know if any other state has the same rules. Technology wise it would be easy to make the payout odds variable and even controllable from a central site.

CruiseNOID July 17th, 2008 11:08 AM

I am alloting $50 per day for the gambling. If I don't see some type of reasonable return within $25; I will bail out. Any winnings if any will be put away and not "re-invested".

Joe323 July 17th, 2008 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by popsec
When we did a B2B on the Imagination last April I thought the slot payouts were the worst we'd ever seen. My husband asked the pit boss what the payback percentage was and he replied 80% :shock: ....that's pretty poor!

Seems to me that the cruise lines can set the percentages however they want since unless you can swim for hundreds of miles you are not going to another casino.

Play the slots for fun if you like (I do once in while) but just don't expect to make a lot of money.

popsec July 17th, 2008 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Joe323
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Originally Posted by popsec
When we did a B2B on the Imagination last April I thought the slot payouts were the worst we'd ever seen. My husband asked the pit boss what the payback percentage was and he replied 80% :shock: ....that's pretty poor!

Seems to me that the cruise lines can set the percentages however they want since unless you can swim for hundreds of miles you are not going to another casino.

Play the slots for fun if you like (I do once in while) but just don't expect to make a lot of money.

Yup, I play the slots for fun and count on loosing all the money I put in. Since I don't drink I do allow myself some time on the slots and blackjack table.

ferrangi July 17th, 2008 04:44 PM

Yep, I love playing the slots... I'm hooked on penny slots, they just have alot of options..... the day my sis hit $750 on a nickel machine was the day we stopped playing quarters... LOL

Also, they have many penny machines that have progressive payouts ranging from a few dollars to several thousand... my sis won the 3 lowest progressives on one machine without playing max bet... I think the total was around $140 (penny machine).
I don't expect to see those particular slots on the ship but I will have fun just the same.

scottvan110 May 27th, 2012 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by popsec (Post 1121068)
If you play in the casino quite a bit on the ship they will buy you a drink or 2 a day...but nothing to get too excited about

My wife and I like to play the slots, and if you play enough drinks are free in the casino area....My wife earned her free drinks on our fourth day sailing, and I earned mine on our last day of sailing.

Carnival Spirit - Alaska 9/6/2011
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buttons16 May 27th, 2012 09:06 PM

Here is the low down :

The best returns in slots are in Las Vegas...some machines actually post a 101% payback...most are between 95%-99%.. In Atlantic City pay back is less...in areas of 85% - 99%...all depends on which casino you gamble at..In order to change the % on a slot machine in Las Vegas or Atlantic City they must get approval from the Gaming Control commission...The item they change is the RNG (Random number generator) This little black box inside the slot machine spews out number combinations at a rate of thousands per second...The symbols on the machine are meaningless,they are for show only...the winning or losing combination is actually in the little black box...when the black box stops spewing out numbers after you put your coin in the slot the results are know instantly by the slot machine then the symbols that correspond to the number in the box show up on the pay line. The higher the payback the more winning combos come up in that box...the lower the payback the less winning combos come up.
Ever notice that many times you miss the jackpot by one symbol...that is called the hook...many combinations of numbers represent symbols that miss the jackpot by one reel.
At sea on a cruise ship the company that runs the casino does not have to report to a gaming control comission. They can set their own odds usually around a pitiful 60% which means they on average keep 40 cents for every dollar played. Of course some people beat the odds, but for every winner their are many times over losers.
Consider playing slots on a ship or anywhere for that matter a form of entertainment..and the price you pay for that entertainment is the loss at the machine.

Lakers Fan May 27th, 2012 11:00 PM

I have won more money playing slot machines on cruise ships than I have in Atlantic City ,Las Vegas ,Mt.Airy (PA) ,Yonkers ,Reno ,Carson City ,Aruba and every other casino I've been to .

On my last cruise I found a machine that I won several hundred dollars on .I played the identical machine last week in a casino and lost a lot.

buttons16 May 28th, 2012 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Henry43 (Post 1430104)
I have won more money playing slot machines on cruise ships than I have in Atlantic City ,Las Vegas ,Mt.Airy (PA) ,Yonkers ,Reno ,Carson City ,Aruba and every other casino I've been to .

On my last cruise I found a machine that I won several hundred dollars on .I played the identical machine last week in a casino and lost a lot.

Like I said...their are people who may win...But I know that unless you hit a mega jackpot...99.9 % of the people over the long haulare losers at the slots...Casinos either at sea and or on land was built by people losing money...the house will most always beat you in the long run that is a fact.

Sure anyone can walk into a slot joint on land or sea put in 3,4 or 5 quarters and hit the jackpot...But most don't...Here is a know fact:

You are more like to get hit by lightining 7 TIMES IN YOUR LIFETIME...then win one mega jackpot on a slot...huge odds against you.

Lakers Fan May 28th, 2012 09:51 AM

I play for fun ,not to win mega prizes .I play penny machines .

buttons16 May 28th, 2012 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Henry43 (Post 1430138)
I play for fun ,not to win mega prizes .I play penny machines .

And believe it or not the penny machines will cost you more in the long run then playing quarter machines. The payb back in penny machines can be as low as 51%...meaning the casino will keep on average a wopping 49 cents for every dollar put in. And think about this to max out most quarter machines you need only play 3 quarters, to max out most penny machines you need to put in approx 250 pennies...and the reutrn is less then the 3 quarter machines.
The worst machines to play in a casino are the penny slots, with the lowest return they will little by little bankrupt you. Unless of course you just like to sit and put in 10 or 20 pennies at a time..which would'nt even activate the jackpot..on most penny machines you need to play the max..

ONE MORE NOTE...NO ONE AND I MEAN NO ONE should play a progressive slot machine unless they put in the max amount...why ? because all you are doing is feeding the jackpot amount with no chance of winning it.
I one watch a lady sit at a penny machine and scream up and down when she hit 500 pennies...someone told her it was $5.00 and not $500...all she said was HUH....some people are clueless.

Unless you are like Henry who just sits there and spends some time dumping 10 or 20 pennies at a time for some entertainment my advice is to stay far away from penny slots.

Lakers Fan May 28th, 2012 01:03 PM

Money cannot buy happiness . I never had the need to earn a lot of money .As I said with one exception I only worked for non-profit organizations .As long as I had enough to take care of my family that was all that was important .

buttons16 May 28th, 2012 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Henry43 (Post 1430168)
Money cannot buy happiness . I never had the need to earn a lot of money .As I said with one exception I only worked for non-profit organizations .As long as I had enough to take care of my family that was all that was important .

And that is all well and good and very honorable.
However for everyone else I would suggest to stay away from penny slots...

As for money cant buy happiness...somewhat clique...if you like to sit home and not do anything but work, eat, sleep...then thats fine..but if you like to go on vacation like cruises...or go out to eat, movies or anything entertaining, then you will need to earn more then just enough for your family.
While its true money cant buy health or inner happiness it sure helps with everything else. I dont think IMHO most people think that way "Just wanting enough for their family, at least I am not affraid to admit it...I have my health, my wife has her health, the money I have been earning over the years will help me to live a nice retirement...presently 53 years old and thank the lord I wont need to rely on Social Security...just the earnings I made over the years...I just booked a cruise on Crystal for my wife and I....Cruising, retirement, not worrying about money and having health...that seems to be a very happy thought to me.

Lakers Fan May 28th, 2012 04:07 PM

We may not cruise as much as most of the people who post here but we have a lot of friends and an active social life.

Cruznut2 May 29th, 2012 04:28 AM

I find I do better in casinos. I have been to Tampa a few times and always at least come out even. There are also the "internet cafes" here in Florida (in some counties) I find them to be real tight. they surely take more than they give.
As for free drinks I was offered drinks on Liberty 2 times.

Laura


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