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Old August 24th, 2008, 05:34 PM
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I will be on the Fascination in Oct with another party. We just found out today that there is smoking allowed pretty much everywhere on the ship, even in the cabins.

Can you please tell me what this is like. Is there a lot of smoking in the public areas? What about the cabins? Is there that stale smoke smell?

We have a couple of people in our party who have bad allergies.

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Smoking is not allowed just about anywhere and forget about smoking in your cabin. Every room steward I've had has said no smoking in the cabin, but the balcony is ok, but only Cat 11/12 cabins have balconies on Fatasy class ships

The public rooms where smoking is allowed is the casino, but not in the whole casino (they do leave a section for us non-smokers) and I think it is allowed in the lobby (designated area), but not positive. The startboard side of the ship (at least on Triumph/Conquest class ships) is designated the smoking side from Lido deck and up. The casino will be a place where they will want to avoid during the busy part of the night. If they do want to go in the casino the best time is before noon and even part of the afternoon when it won't be too busy

As for the smell, I couldn't tell, but then I was in a balcony cabin and as I said earlier, smoking is only allowed on the balconies, but if no balcony, I can assume it is a too bad so sad policy. Too many risks for a fire to start.

If you have someone who is sensitive to the smell it would be wise to bring a bottle of frebreeze to spray the sheets and pillows. I had more problem with the smell in hotels than the cabin on the ship. I am sure they use detergent with deodorizers because many non-smokers have sensitivity to the smell...I've grown up with it and hated the smell (and have books/items ruined by the stinky smell). I am not sesitive to it, but I hate it when it blows in my direction and the American cigarettes are much worse!!!!!! My mother lives with me and refuses to quit, so I make her go outside, even when it was -38C.......
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As it stands right now, smoking is allowed in all cabins. Cigarettes only, no cigars or pipes.

But I have to say that after 26 years of cruising with Carnival and over 30 cruises....we have never walked into a cabin that smelled of smoke. And I am HYPER sensitive to the smell.

There have been reports of Cabin Stewards that tell people they can not smoke in the cabin; usually when someone asks for an ashtray. The cabin stewards can tell you anything they want to, but they DO NOT make Carnival policy. Carnival does. And current Carnival policy does allow smoking in the cabins. And I want you prepared with the correct information.

The cabin stewards use Ozium and it does a very good job. However, IF by some rare chance you walk into a cabin that has that odor...all you have to do is ask the Cabin Steward to hit the room again with Ozium. IF it is really bad, they can literally replace all the pillows, duvets, comforters and even the mattresses if necessary. They can also do a light shampoo of the carpets that drys quickly. So don't panic, there is a lot that can be done.

As far as smoking out in public. There are designated smoking areas.
Casino, Disco, Piano Bar, and the Cover band bar on Promenade. Outdoors the Starboard side of the Pool area is smoking. Carnival set these areas in an attempt to stop people from walking from venue to venue with a lit cigarette, since so many children are usually around the Promenade walk area. You will see little "thanks for not smoking" signs on the tables. Just be aware...people are on vacation and their brains don't always see the little signs.

Indoors has Lido, both theaters (Main forward and smaller one AFT), both dining rooms, cabin hallways, elevators and the walk way along the Promenade as nonsmoking.

All areas (even designated smoking areas like the Disco) are immediately NON SMOKING and NON DRINKING, if Camp Carnival is using the facility for an activity during the day.

The only area that "might" be a problem is the fact that the Fantasy class ships have a good size space under the cabin door....so if someone is smoking in one cabin...it can go out under the door and travel down the hallway. Also, some people prop their cabin doors open to "air out" their cabins into the hallway. This is not allowed...since there is no smoking in the hallway. This is simply luck of the draw.

Since RCCL stopped smoking in the cabins Jan 2008, we are great hopes that Carnival will soon follow suit. However, as I type....smoking is still allowed in the cabins.

I also carry a Febreze with me to handle all kinds of "odors" that can arise...not just smoke.

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Well I hate to burst your bubble but smoking IS allowed in all cabins on ships except the Spa cabins. I am a smoker, and I pay as much to cruise as a non smoker, and I have the rights to smoke in my cabin, or in the designated areas, or on my balcony as much as I want! Those of you that don't like cigarette smoke, or are alergic to it, then I suggest you wait until they outlaw ciagrette's, then you can venture out of your bubble at home, and enjoy life. including a cruise. Until then, you can breathe in my second hand smoke!
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For the most part there are not too many places on the ship where smoking is noticeable or annoying. We are non-smokers and are a little sensitive to the smell but not to the extreme.

We have never smelled cigarettes in the cabins even though smoking is allowed in all cabins except the Spa Deck. Occasionally we have smelled them on the balconies if someone is up wind but fortunately it has never lasted very long. There is labeling for the outside decks indicating where smoking is and is not allowed but it is not real prominent. Rarely have we seen anyone smoke in the non-smoking areas but it does happen sometimes.

The casino will be smoky as they all are. There may be non-smoking areas in the casino, but the room is already small and the selection limited so I don’t see that working out. Play early in the morning if you want to use the casino without smoke. The bars will tend to be smoky but I don’t hang out there enough to rate how much or how often. Some ships have a cigar lounge that oddly enough is not enclosed from the hallway and sometimes located near the entrance to the aft dinning room. That area can be strong when in use. Outside of those areas smoking is fairly isolated and easy to move away from.
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I haven't heard any non smoker complain about their cabin smelling like smoke.
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The only Carnival ship we have had a problem on is the Fascination. Our OV stateroom reeked of smoke...we had our Room Steward remove and re-wash all our bedding, shampoo the carpet, re-spray, and wash down everything in the room to no avail...our room smelled awful and we stayed away as long as we could before we went to sleep at night. We requested a room transfer but there were none available. Thank goodness it was only a three nighter, I had to wet a hand towel and put it over my face at night, I was wishing I had brought a surgical mask, my allergies kicked into high gear as soon as I stepped into the room and bothered me for days after I returned home. After this experience, I never book anything but a balcony room so I can open the door and air out the room.
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Well I hate to burst your bubble but smoking IS allowed in all cabins on ships except the Spa cabins. I am a smoker, and I pay as much to cruise as a non smoker, and I have the rights to smoke in my cabin, or in the designated areas, or on my balcony as much as I want! Those of you that don't like cigarette smoke, or are alergic to it, then I suggest you wait until they outlaw ciagrette's, then you can venture out of your bubble at home, and enjoy life. including a cruise. Until then, you can breathe in my second hand smoke!
Please stick with the facts - where smoking is and is not allowed - keep the editorial comments to yourself. Nobody had addressed the evils of smoking or smokers.
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I just love to smoke the cuban cigars on my balcony with a glass of whiskey nearby. Bob
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I specifically asked my PVP where smoking is permitted and she emailed that smoking is permitted in cabins and on the starboard outside decks
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Usually on Carnival, they do allow smoking in cabins. I've seen the hallways reek with it. They should take a page from Royal Caribbean. They don't allow it in the cabins, only the balconys. Honestly, I don't really care what people do but it is more pleasant to restrict it so sensitive people are comfortable. It's still legal and people still do it, but it does sicken some. So, accomodation should be available to smokers but not to the detriment of the masses. This subject is always controversial.
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This is without a doubt the only negative thing I have ever placed on a comment card. For a non smoker you will encounter moments when someone choses to interfere with one's need to breathe. Smoking is allowed in cabins we actually had the misfortune of having a room across from a man that smoked in his cabin, it wreaked outside the door, and the part that pissed me off more was he had two children with him. And for the very reason that I "enjoy life", I for one will be quite happy when no smoking is enforced shipwide.
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We just got off the Spirit (yes not the same class of ship but one would think the printed rules apply to all) where in the Capers it is written:
Smoking is only permitted in the following areas..... Starboard side of open decks, Lido pool bar Fwd starboard side, Lido aft Fantail bar starboard side,partial casino, Sports bar, Piano bar, and dance club.



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Well I hate to burst your bubble but smoking IS allowed in all cabins on ships except the Spa cabins. I am a smoker, and I pay as much to cruise as a non smoker, and I have the rights to smoke in my cabin, or in the designated areas, or on my balcony as much as I want! Those of you that don't like cigarette smoke, or are alergic to it, then I suggest you wait until they outlaw ciagrette's, then you can venture out of your bubble at home, and enjoy life. including a cruise. Until then, you can breathe in my second hand smoke!
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Hi Phil&Liz:

Hope you had a wonderful time on the Spirit. (My favorite class of ship!)

Sadly, the "designated smoking areas" printed every day in the Capers have never included the cabins.
(and of course, we all know that Carnival allows smoking in the cabins ~except the Spa cabins of the new Splendor!!)


When Carnival first started using designated smoking areas...there was much discussion about why the cabins were not listed as one. We thought perhaps to try to alieve themselves of any liability if there was a fire in the cabin.

Now interestingly enough, this past year......cabin stewards have started telling passengers (newbies who don't know better) that smoking is only allowed on the balcony. (usually when they asked the cabin steward for an ashtray). At first I thought it was just a fluke....but we have just heard this tooo many times this past year. Also, there are 2 Cruise Directors (who shall remain nameless to protect the guilty) that actually made the no smoking in the cabin (only on the balconies) during the Muster Drill speech where they also say "no smoke allowed in the hallways".

Both CDs and cabin stewards were on ships that have lots of balconies...neither (as best as I can remember) were on a Fantasy class ship.

Personally, I do see Carnival following RCCL's lead with no smoking in the cabins. (especially on the Fantasy class ships that have the open space under the cabin doors which allows smoke to travel from cabin to cabin).
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Had a great time on the Spirit ! I heard the mention of smoking areas during the drill, too.

Liz does smoke and smokes on the balcony, in the casino, or on the starboard Lido only. On our last cruise our neighboring balcony yelled at her to stop smoking. Of course we said nothing and continued as permitted.

This is a big isue and will never be settled to everyones satisfaction, but thats just it. You can never satisfy everyone. In most cases majority or safety rules.

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Had a great time on the Spirit ! I heard the mention of smoking areas during the drill, too.

Liz does smoke and smokes on the balcony, in the casino, or on the starboard Lido only. On our last cruise our neighboring balcony yelled at her to stop smoking. Of course we said nothing and continued as permitted.

This is a big isue and will never be settled to everyones satisfaction, but thats just it. You can never satisfy everyone. In most cases majority or safety rules.

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The only Carnival ships that will have no smoking in the cabin or on the balcony will be the Splendor, Dream and Magic and that will only be in the Spa cabins.

I have campaigned for years (obviously unsuccessfully) to have the ships built with the "flush" air filtration system. This literally removes (not recycles) the air. Not even smokers want to sit in a haze of smoke waste.
This system would literally allow a smoker and a nonsmoker to sit next to each other at slot machines without a problem.

Also be aware that John just announced on his Blog that the Splendor piano bar is now nonsmoking. It seems a good amount of smoke was traveling to an area where smoke was not intended...again, a design flaw.
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Usually on Carnival, they do allow smoking in cabins. I've seen the hallways reek with it. They should take a page from Royal Caribbean. They don't allow it in the cabins, only the balconys. Honestly, I don't really care what people do but it is more pleasant to restrict it so sensitive people are comfortable. It's still legal and people still do it, but it does sicken some. So, accomodation should be available to smokers but not to the detriment of the masses. This subject is always controversial.
Maybe Carnival could make one side of the ships staterooms smoking and the other side non smoking, then all the smokers would be together and all the non smokers together just like they do on the lido deck.
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Usually on Carnival, they do allow smoking in cabins. I've seen the hallways reek with it. They should take a page from Royal Caribbean. They don't allow it in the cabins, only the balconys. Honestly, I don't really care what people do but it is more pleasant to restrict it so sensitive people are comfortable. It's still legal and people still do it, but it does sicken some. So, accomodation should be available to smokers but not to the detriment of the masses. This subject is always controversial.
Maybe Carnival could make one side of the ships staterooms smoking and the other side non smoking, then all the smokers would be together and all the non smokers together just like they do on the lido deck.
This idea has been floated a couple of times...but unfortunately on most cruises you don't have a 50/50 split....so cabins would go unsold...and of course no cruise line is going to do anything that will limit the selling of cabins.

About a year ago, I proposed that we "forum folks" handle it internally.

Since the crew takes their smoke breaks on the Starboard side, then smokers should book the Starboard side and non smokers should book on the PORT side. If we did as an unwritten (unofficial) guide....who knows...it might catch on!!

Sadly only 1 - 2% of cruisers ever read a forum.....I guess we could also flood the TAs with this info....just an idea!!
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Perhaps 20 -25% of the population still smoke. If I were Carnival I'd take 30% of cabin (all with balconies, and all aft) and designate those for smokers.

The 25% of passengers who do smoke could book and do so in those cabins in the aft, then you'd have a zone of 5% non smokers who don't think all smokers should be towed by long ropes behind the ship, occupying those "buffer zone" cabins.

Then 32% of non smokers would complain that they don't have their choice of aft cabins because of those inconsiderate smokers. And 14% would complain about their table location in the dining room because they can smell smoke on the clothing of the person sitting in the balcony above them.

Years back NCL actually used to offer non-smoking and smoking cabins. Not sure why they stopped. Frankly it doesn't seem all that difficult to designate smoking and non smoking cabins... though I do think it would have to be designated by deck, as well as limited deck areas.

With Carnival's present experiment on some ships making the Piano Bar non smoking, they are in essescence making the entire Promenade Dec other than casino and Sports Bar, non smoking, as well as the Atrium area and bar a deck below.

With these restrictions in place it seems Carnival has one of the most restrictive smoking policies for public areas, next to NCL which allows no smoking indoors on their ships, other than in the casino. Yet NCL still does allow smoking in cabins, and on balconies.
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It seems the policy is confusing and onboard personnel are not together on this. They need to do something system wide and enforce the damn thing. Either ban it entirely, dont ban it anywhere or make certain rooms or sides of ship smoking areas. (Must be universal on all types of ships). Passengers break the rules anyway and as confusing as it is nobody can be blamed. As a nonsmoker I say bring back the non smoking Paradise ship back!!
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It seems the policy is confusing and onboard personnel are not together on this. They need to do something system wide and enforce the damn thing. Either ban it entirely, dont ban it anywhere or make certain rooms or sides of ship smoking areas. (Must be universal on all types of ships). Passengers break the rules anyway and as confusing as it is nobody can be blamed. As a nonsmoker I say bring back the non smoking Paradise ship back!!
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Sorry, the Paradise did not make enough money. It never LOST money....but it did not make enough....well below the MARS of corporate expectations and the other ships.

Plus it was harder to book because even a small family group has a least one smoker....and everyone knows that groups are the lifeblood of cruise lines.

IF ONLY Carnival had been wise enough to have the vision that Oceania had....even on that one ship...the Paradise would still be "mostly" smoke free today!!!
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