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Laura,
Thank you for the refreshingly positive report. It sounds like you just "lucked" into a gang of low life passengers. Just FYI, it is just the luck of the draw. Doesn't matter what port you sail from or what time of year. Sometimes you get predominantly upbeat, good people, sometimes the opposite. And, it has nothing to do with how much you pay. Forgive me, but saying that the cruise line "let" lowlifes sail is silly. They don't know what the passengers are like until they get on board. And, we have met some of the nastiest, rudest people on very expensive cruises. A tendency, I think, to assume that if they paid a lot, it entitles them to have everything their way. So, don't worry about picking your next cruise....you really "need" one after your experience!
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No one here is experiencing the Carnival Miracle Mutiny?

I think it is funny that people continually protest about Cruise Critic deleted negative threads yet the same people don't post here where we don't (well, rarely anyway) censor things just because they are negative.

Are you on Miracle? Give us the details!!
Paul, I think this whole thing has been blown out of proportion. Carnival said it wasn't that bad and I am most definitely suspicious why with all these mutinous passengers, hundreds by some accounts, nobody has any photos to post. I mean really, how many digital cameras were on that ship and no photos? Don't believe it was that bad atall!
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Hello, I am new to this board. I was on the Miracle. I have pictures but I won't publish them and give the rioters the attention. It was terrible that they behaved the way they did. I would estimate there were about 50 to 75 people and any given time.

I believe that the cruise line could have handled it better. One thing I would like to say that I haven't heard on any of the forums. We had Denver t.v. news that was only reporting on hurrican Gustav and no mention on how big Hanna was. ANd the Carnival station on board didn't update the storm information for several days. So we had no idea of its path. The people new to cruising didn't know to go the pursers desk and look at the storm maps they had posted. Which I don't even know if they were there before the protest in the lobby.

Then during the rest of the cruise all we heard from the Captain and the cruise dirctor that we took the tips from the crew who needed to feed their children. I didn't do that but everytime they spoke I had to feel liek I was being yelled at. ANd the bickering and complaing of the passengers the rest of week made me feel uncomfortable.
My family did enjoy the ship and the crew was the best. We had a great time dispite all the craziness.
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Sounds like a good time was ruined by a few unhappy campers. That is a shame. Bob
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Doesn't the ship have a brig? Why wouldnt they lock up the unruley people. Also if I was not getting tipped and knew it. I wouldnt have done a damn thing for anyone. I would have forgotten to clean rooms and serve people real quick.
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Doesn't the ship have a brig? Why wouldnt they lock up the unruley people. Also if I was not getting tipped and knew it. I wouldnt have done a damn thing for anyone. I would have forgotten to clean rooms and serve people real quick.
I'm telling you this has been blown out of proportion or someone would show pictures of the "unruley people"!
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Doesn't the ship have a brig? Why wouldnt they lock up the unruley people. Also if I was not getting tipped and knew it. I wouldnt have done a damn thing for anyone. I would have forgotten to clean rooms and serve people real quick.
I'm telling you this has been blown out of proportion or someone would show pictures of the "unruley people"!
I did see a picture of a very large crowd in the atrium, they do exist.

Laura,
Thank you for your point of view and the refreshingly positive report. It sounds like you on a ship with some "Bad Apples" who had a mob attitude. Come cruise with us southerners.

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Doesn't the ship have a brig? Why wouldnt they lock up the unruley people. Also if I was not getting tipped and knew it. I wouldnt have done a damn thing for anyone. I would have forgotten to clean rooms and serve people real quick.
I'm telling you this has been blown out of proportion or someone would show pictures of the "unruley people"!
I did see a picture of a very large crowd in the atrium, they do exist.

Laura,
Thank you for your point of view and the refreshingly positive report. It sounds like you on a ship with some "Bad Apples" who had a mob attitude. Come cruise with us southerners.

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I want to see those pictures also! Bob
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me too. Instead of giving them what they wanted, i feel it would probably just be embarrassing. So post those pics! That is if they exsist. Or send links were they are.
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I don't know if there are any pictures....to be honest - I tried to stay away from all of it so I could enjoy my trip. I am also thinking that people didn't take pics so they couldn't be "incriminated".

If someone has some I would also love to see them!

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OK, I've just begun reading this thread so I may have missed a few things... I did a net search for more info.

One takes the risk when one books during season. Decisions are made based on several factors, many of which are out of the crews control.

One curious thing I read in a post elsewhere from someone who was on the ship..."We got poured on the minute we got to the beach and the captain had promised a warm and sunny day. "

Really? Now you are basing the weather on what the skipper promises?
Get real.

A recent example of communication issues regarding sailings and time constraints is the Sept 11th sailing of the Ecstasy. There is an offer for folks who wish to cancel may do so within 24 hrs of sailing w/o penalty. The official word on Carnivals webpage on the ships plans to sail or not was posted at 7pm on th 10th. Hardly a 24 hr window.


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OK, I've just begun reading this thread so I may have missed a few things... I did a net search for more info.

One takes the risk when one books during season. Decisions are made based on several factors, many of which are out of the crews control.

One curious thing I read in a post elsewhere from someone who was on the ship..."We got poured on the minute we got to the beach and the captain had promised a warm and sunny day. "

Really? Now you are basing the weather on what the skipper promises?
Get real.

A recent example of communication issues regarding sailings and time constraints is the Sept 11th sailing of the Ecstasy. There is an offer for folks who wish to cancel may do so within 24 hrs of sailing w/o penalty. The official word on Carnivals webpage on the ships plans to sail or not was posted at 7pm on th 10th. Hardly a 24 hr window.


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now that sounds just stupid of carnival, i'll agree with that, but they probably did extend it. Seems they'd have to if there was a mandatory evacuation of so many area's. Not only that, but i thought you could get out, or stay but you couldnt get IN the area...i heard they had roadblocks set up in some areas. How could they sail if its a mandatory evacuation?

maybe i'm really off, i know some people stayed behind on purpose, but i swear i heard the word mandatory many times.
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I would like to say - as far as the weather....Freeport (which is what they were talking about) was warm and sunny...and the people complaining are doing so about the "tropical" showers that came through...there was one that lasted 30 mins or so and yes you couldn't be at the beach but we were in the water for 90 mins with great weather just before the shower. The best thing about freefort is the Lucaya Market place....you can weather out the storm and get 2 for $5 corona and save some cash from the $5.50 for a beer on the ship!

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The wife and I have 7 cruises during hurricane season. Only one cruise, which was in May, on the Valor. We understand fully that our ports of call can be changed, or our whole cruise can be changed. But we still sail during this time frame.

I did the Google search on this topic, and was amazed at what I read I feel sorry for the crew members of the Mircle. :o

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I said it before and I will say it again. Unless you have a totally positive attitude about weather and will go with the flow then dont sail during hurricane season. Peoples negative attitude about bad storms and captains who "ruin" trips by changing or cancelling ports should not sail in the fall. I hope I never run into any of these idiots. Like anything in life you take your chances with unpredicatable results. Next time I hope these people stay home and they can complain to their neighbors about the injustices of the world...
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The wife and I have 7 cruises during hurricane season. Only one cruise, which was in May, on the Valor. We understand fully that our ports of call can be changed, or our whole cruise can be changed. But we still sail during this time frame.

I did the Google search on this topic, and was amazed at what I read I feel sorry for the crew members of the Mircle. :o

Happy Sailing to all;
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Darlene- We were on the Valor in 2006 . Sorry .

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we just got off the Miracle on the 22nd. We did ask many of the employees about the mutiny week. Couldn't get much out of them besides yes, people were cranky. One bartender did tell us they were in the atrium lobby and pursers desk yelling up a storm demanding to see the captain.

I can't remember just this second but we were told by two employees that the decision not to go to ports is made by the coast guard. That they determine the waters are unsafe for passage.

I can tell you people were complaining on this voyage too. It just goes to show some people are not happy unless they can complain. One woman said it was "too hot" to stand outside for the lifeboat drill. Like the rest of us weren't hot? SHe would have been the same one knocking over people in wheelchairs to get to a lifeboat if we needed one. Then this same woman was at the atrium bar 3 days later telling the bartenders they didn't put enough booze in the drinks. My sister in law had a nap from one of her not enough booze drinks

I too would like to see pictures -- let's embarrass the morons!!!!!!

By the way the idiot quotient exists on all the cruises. We were told that if you were carrying ALL your luggage off the ship with you to first stay on deck 3 or 9. Then they called us to deck 2. They had shut down the glass atrium elevators so this definitely limited space on the elevators. Three of us drug our luggage down the stairs and my sister in law waited on an elevator. There were people sitting on the stairs without luggage, in a big fat hurry to beat everyone off after those of us with luggage cleared the stairs. All they did was create more chaos then there already was. Finally annoyed passengers kept asking them where is your luggage which followed with attitudes or the "Language barrier" excuse. They knew they were disembarking though. As we were getting out of customs Carnival employees were turning back passengers that thought they were going to sneak into the luggage area for their bags. So there are those that feel they are "entitled" no matter where you go

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we just got off the Miracle on the 22nd. We did ask many of the employees about the mutiny week. Couldn't get much out of them besides yes, people were cranky. One bartender did tell us they were in the atrium lobby and pursers desk yelling up a storm demanding to see the captain.

I can't remember just this second but we were told by two employees that the decision not to go to ports is made by the coast guard. That they determine the waters are unsafe for passage.

I can tell you people were complaining on this voyage too. It just goes to show some people are not happy unless they can complain. One woman said it was "too hot" to stand outside for the lifeboat drill. Like the rest of us weren't hot? SHe would have been the same one knocking over people in wheelchairs to get to a lifeboat if we needed one. Then this same woman was at the atrium bar 3 days later telling the bartenders they didn't put enough booze in the drinks. My sister in law had a nap from one of her not enough booze drinks

I too would like to see pictures -- let's embarrass the morons!!!!!!

By the way the idiot quotient exists on all the cruises. We were told that if you were carrying ALL your luggage off the ship with you to first stay on deck 3 or 9. Then they called us to deck 2. They had shut down the glass atrium elevators so this definitely limited space on the elevators. Three of us drug our luggage down the stairs and my sister in law waited on an elevator. There were people sitting on the stairs without luggage, in a big fat hurry to beat everyone off after those of us with luggage cleared the stairs. All they did was create more chaos then there already was. Finally annoyed passengers kept asking them where is your luggage which followed with attitudes or the "Language barrier" excuse. They knew they were disembarking though. As we were getting out of customs Carnival employees were turning back passengers that thought they were going to sneak into the luggage area for their bags. So there are those that feel they are "entitled" no matter where you go

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I am so glad that I have a cellphone with a camera now.

This ever happens on our cruise and I am SO taking pictures!!!!
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There are several ways to deal with mutiny conspirators.
1) a simple flogging, then let them be :evil:
2) conduct a captain's mast against the accused :evil:
3) banishing them to a deserted island. You know an isolated cay in the Bahamas right before a hurricane hits would be apt. :evil:
4) lock them in the brig ( the "fun ships" do have them, I'm told) :evil:
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From what I read, some fools on that cruise deserved such fate. One would need to be rather ignorant not to understand the perils of hurricanes. They should be grateful to Carnival that their trip wasn't canceled.
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I just couldn't see such a thing happening out of Mobile, New Orleans, Texas, South Carolina, or Florida.
Folks in our part of the world have had so many bad experiences from tropical weather. Most Southerners would appreciate the ship's efforts to keep us safe, or so I WOULD HOPE>
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The delay we experienced on the Legend in 2004 (out of NYC) and it's nasty passengers prompted my husband to ask one of the bartenders if she felt people were nicer coming out of different ports. She explained she didn't want to tell us, but my husband urged her saying we would never tell corporate a thing she said. The ship at that time was only sailing out of NYC and Miami. She told us Miami.

I can only say that, in our area where we live, our population has increased two-fold by individuals from the NYC area, one out of every 10 has a pleasant attitude. The rest have come from this new generation of "entitlement" We own a retail establishment - I've asked everyone else I know in retail the same question and the answer is the same as mine. My parents brought me up to say please and thank you and it's Mr. or Mrs. unless otherwise told. My husband gets "hey buddy" from 20 years olds here in our store to which he quickly intercedes with "I'm not your buddy it's sir" (he's ex-army man). We addressed all the employees of Carnival and sir, miss, ma'am, a little respect goes a long way. They go out of their way to say that to us, I believe they deserve that in return. I have people coming in to our place that think I'm the worker not the owner and they try to treat me like something they scraped off the bottom of their shoe. I no longer tolerate it.

But that said our paths crossed with a lot of rude folks that spoke French. They cut lines in the buffets, etc all the while saying "no english". We, however, met a lovely bilingual couple from Montreal the last morning at breakfast. Moral of the story ---there is good and bad in people, remember the good ones and shrug off the bad ones, it saves your blood pressure
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I had to add one more thing - it's not just on Carnival you know. Last year we took Crown Princess out of Brooklyn. They explained over and over again to passengers --- NO saving of lounge chairs near the pools. They had the staff picking up belongings off chairs if they see no one on them within about a 45 minute period. There was one guy making a complete jackass out of himself screaming at the personnel about taking his stuff. They were quietly trying to explain to him, no saving chairs but all he did was scream a little bit louder. My husband wanted to tell him they could hear him all the way back home in New York.

It's like one other poster said booking a cunard or otherwise more expensive cruise than Carnival is not going to guarantee nice passengers. Our princess cruise was more expensive than our Carnival one and there was still belly aching going on. And let me tell you Princess in the Brooklyn pier is one of the most efficient at embarking and disembarking passengers.

My husband and I were looking at Caribbean cruises out of New York for next September again and we've noticed that both NCL and Princess are doing Canada cruises the entire month of September (with the exception of a Sept 28 by NCL dawn to Bermuda). Might the incidences that occured on Carnival been just the final straw and they've all decided go north? Only Carnival is doing same itinerary and bahamas in September. I checked RCL and they're doing the same thing with the exception of a 5 day to Bermuda. Makes one wonder doesn't it?

As for us, looks like we'll do the Miracle on the 13th to bahamas, grand turk, and half moon cay or we'll do the NCL to bermuda. We're easy to please don't care if what islands we go to.
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INSTEAD OF THE BRIG HOW ABOUT WALKING THE PLANK?
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