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No one here is experiencing the Carnival Miracle Mutiny?

I think it is funny that people continually protest about Cruise Critic deleted negative threads yet the same people don't post here where we don't (well, rarely anyway) censor things just because they are negative.

Are you on Miracle? Give us the details!!
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Not sure what you are talking about?? We are booked on the Miracle 12/7 and have a huge thread going on CC. Can you tell me what you mean???

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The Miracle got diverted from its itinerary from the Bahamas & Florida up to Newport RI. People on board are mutinying, demanding refunds and taking tips off of their accts.

Stupid, really, it isn't the crew's fault there is a hurricane out there, but give people half a reason to complain and they will.
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I think that is crazy!!! When you book in hurricane season you know there is a greater chance of the itinerary changing and it is stated all over the site and your paperwork! What a bunch of goofs! I saw that some were going to Bermuda instead too....maybe that is not possible now either, I am not sure.
From what I have read about the changes and what the cruiselines are doing about compensation, I think it is more than fair. Altho I am not sure how it works if you miss your flight home because of the change. If there are extra expenses incurred, is the cruiseline responsible or is it an issue taken up with your travel insurance?

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every case is different and the cruiseines determine what they want give. Fantasy gave 50% credit and 50%refund on the cruise.
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People are so stupid. I remember when I worked in Carnival Reservations and this lady was yelling how she was going to sue because the ship was going to Key West instead of Bahamas because of a hurricane too. She said she had already been in Key West and she was going to get her lawyer involved. I told her to go ahead because im sure he would agree that sailing into a hurricane was much worse than going someplace else.
Then if the Miracle had gone and they hit the storm people would piss and moan too.
Stupid. Last December on the Triumph the ship had listed to the point where people looked like they were climbing a hill and stuff was breaking off the shelves and some lady had the nerve to say the captain did it on purpose.
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There is lots of information on Google regarding the Miracle "Mutiny" with tons of people posting. When you Google "Carnival Miracle", the article is at the bottom of the page regarding the mutiny.
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Amazing
Just got off the NCL Sky and we went to Cozumel & Key West because of Hanna. Weather was perfect and everyone seemed to be quite happy. Did not hear any complaining.
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The wife and I have 7 cruises during hurricane season. Only one cruise, which was in May, on the Valor. We understand fully that our ports of call can be changed, or our whole cruise can be changed. But we still sail during this time frame.

I did the Google search on this topic, and was amazed at what I read I feel sorry for the crew members of the Mircle. :o

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No one here is experiencing the Carnival Miracle Mutiny?

I think it is funny that people continually protest about Cruise Critic deleted negative threads yet the same people don't post here where we don't (well, rarely anyway) censor things just because they are negative.

Are you on Miracle? Give us the details!!
I am not there, but did see a map of the storm's projected route, and there is no way they can go south from NYC without running right into it.
My guess is that Jonah must be on that cruise. Has anyone checked the manifest?
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Besides, Newport is really nice. Great beaches and restaurants.
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For those of you who weren't on this voyage from hell, please don't comment until you find out WHY people were upset.

Veteran cruisers were not angry that we were re-routed - that is expected and safe practice. We are angry about the customer service (or lack thereof) in the way that we were provided with information. I haven't seen all the posts or stories about this, so I have no idea how calm and cogent people are being about explaining what happened to us.

As I have commented elsewhere: "To those who are lecturing others, please keep a few points in mind:

In my particular case, the time and destination was dictated by a family event. We were traveling to celebrate the birthday (only comes in September) of an elderly relative who is afraid to fly (leaves out a flight) and who was born in the US Virgin Islands (we had to take a shot at St. Thomas).

I say take a shot, because we did acknowledge the possibility of hurricanes causing a change in itinerary. I don't know how many of my fellow travelers have mentioned that Carnival offers a Satisfaction Guarantee - if you aren't enjoying your trip, you can depart at your first non-US port, and they will pay for your ticket home. The Captain deliberately hinted at an interesting third port and only mentioned that it would be Newport after we had left our ONLY non-US port. The change in itinerary was also announced after we had been at sea for a day. If either of these announcements had been made in a more timely fashion, I could have made different choices. If the change in itinerary (from Caribbean to Florida-Bahamas) had been mentioned as a possible detour before departure, I would have seriously considered activating my travel insurance options. If I had known we were going to Newport, I would definitely have disembarked in Freeport and gotten back at least HALF of my cruise ticket price as well as a free plane ticket home. It is hard not to suspect that these two announcements were TIMED to avoid wholesale departures.

Furthermore, the customer service response to the passengers' disappointment was ludicrous. To make an announcement chiding the passengers for being disappointed because "you have had 8 days of room and board, 8 days of entertainment, and 3 ports. That is what you paid for." is almost guranteed to foment sullenness and rebellion. I understand that the customer "mutiny" mentioned above got most of the attention, but that was a small group of passengers, and I don't believe anyone became violent or seriously disorderly. The increased security patrols in response were gratuitous and insulting to the well-behaved passengers.

I agree that withdrawing the tips hurts only hard-working underpaid staff. That's why we tipped those who gave us good service directly. But the difference in our experience between Carnival and the Holland America Noordam last year was night and day. I will never travel with Carnival again."
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I'm sorry that your trip was so adversely affected, but to assume that the changes in itinerary were timed deliberately to keep you from using the guarantee sounds odd to me. I live in hurricane country, aka Florida, and I can truly assure you that those storms are highly unpredictable. I doubt that the captain or anyone knew what the right course of action would be until right before they did it. I remember one hurricane when we were told to evacuate. Turned on the news and saw the satellite image. The hurricane covered the entire state of Florida. We just started laughing, as there was no where to evacuate to. We did evacuate for Charlie, only to have change course and make landfall while we were in the car on our way to "safety".
I do think that the announcement you mentioned was tacky if worded the way you said. But, that is probably the responsibility of the cruise director. Some are better people persons than others.
We've been through cruises that had similar outcomes and were grateful for Carnival's approach. The ones that were on other lines were not handled as well as Carnival did.
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I have been reading some of the blogs. WOW, I am glad I was not on that ship. There is definately 2 different stories to be told. I don't see why they thought taking away from the wait staff would hurt the captain. Destroying the rooms hurts NO ONE only makes it harder and probably more costly for the rest of us. Throwing food on the floor only makes safety issues. I can say that I hope I am never on a cruise with people like this.
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Those people are not very nice to the staff. It is not their fault that a hurricane happened. Bob
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There is no excuse for any passenger acting like an arrogant arse.


If you cruise during hurricane season that you are accepting the responsibility for what happens....PERIOD!!!

If you can't handle it...STAY HOME!!!

But don't ruin it for everyone else that takes it in stride and acts like a mature adult!!!!
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I have been reading some of the blogs. WOW, I am glad I was not on that ship. There is definately 2 different stories to be told. I don't see why they thought taking away from the wait staff would hurt the captain. Destroying the rooms hurts NO ONE only makes it harder and probably more costly for the rest of us. Throwing food on the floor only makes safety issues. I can say that I hope I am never on a cruise with people like this.
They had better be glad I wasn't the Captain. I would have been getting names and putting them on the no cruise list. They would not have had to worry about not cruising with Carnival (or any other sister cruise lines) again...but they would not be allowed!!!
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Destroying rooms and throwing food on the floor? wow.
Temper tantrums can happen at any age I guess.

They should have been escorted off the ship at the
next port.

For the mature folks, it is unfortunate that these people acting like that, most likely impacted Carnival's decisions toward adequate compensation.
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Regardless of the storm, there is no reason for people to act like idiots over the weather and it's consequences.
Birthday or no birthday, when you sail in the peak of hurricane season you take a risk, along with the CHEAPER cruise fare for that time of the year.

Hopefully anyone who damaged or destroyed any property will be held accountable and have to pay for same.
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I went to google and put in "Miracle Mutiny" like Paul Motter suggested. You get to read about the good, the bad and the really ugly! I think that the polite passengers that minded their own business and tried to enjoy the cruise WITHOUT complaining should be the ones asking for money back, just because they had to tolerated the other unrully passangers.
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Thats stupid. People need to understand what they are getting themselves into when they are sailing during hurricane season. I'm pretty sure it is in the contract that THEY signed. It is not Carnival's fault there is a hurricane.
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I'm leaving on the Miracle on 9/30! I just hope and pray that all this will pass. But I took this chance cause the price was right. I am only afraid of getting sick...I trust that Carnival will do what is best for all. I just wish when the weather is that bad they would reschedule.

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I am so glad we did not go on that ship. I would rather have a safe cruise, than sail into harms way.
The cruise lines have to keep all members safe, that means all the guests and the crew.
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Me and the lovely Mrs. Jones (Vita) are sailing "Miracle" again on December 7th. This will be our 4th or 5th time aboard this fantastic ship. I can't imagine acting the way some of these folks did, for ANY reason! I personally can't wait to board "Miracle" again, as I know it has a GREAT crew, and will keep me safe, no matter what.

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I'm curious to know, those folks who complain b/c a hurricane changes their plans.

Have they ever experienced a hurricane?
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Hey All - I am new to this board and I was on this Miracle cruise. We have cruise a few times during hurricane season and know that anything is possible.

I will say that the people on this cruise were simply rude. They didn't care that Hanna was a problem but that in the gulf there was Gustav. Also there was the now ike and TS Josephine bringing up the rear. To be honest I don't know how they didn't steer us up to the north from the beginning but, they set out and I think Hanna and the others didn't do what they thought. We ended up in port canaveral. Let me tell you the water in the ocean was already rough and it was not a pleasant trip down and going to freeport was as bad if not worse. I don't think people understand that there was no going around the storm because it was so big.

That's when the mutiny began....the were ridiculous and acted like children. They yelled at the staff and crew and became very confrontational. That's when the pulled their tips $20,000 in total from the room stewards and dining room staffs. To me this was a horrible thing to do. They also didn't pay attention to any of the announcements made during the trip. I talked to many people that didn't bother to listen. But trying to make the trip bad for everyone was not a nice thing to do.

When they accounced newport, ri people were not happy but, where could we go and still make it back to NYC by saturday? People were complaining about not going to Bermuda however. there were already 2 ships in port and the captain also said that carnival doesn't have a contract in that port this time of year so we didn't have priority. Newport was AWESOME!! There was plenty to do and you didn't even need to take a trip...there was tons of shopping and restaurants. I have to say it seemed like everyone was having a great time.

Someone else posted about some fun clause....let me say if you didn't have fun on this ship then that was your own fault and if you let this ruin your trip then that sucks for you....We had a great time and enjoyed this awesome ship...I am not sure we will go out of NYC again during this time a year....it seems like they let a lower class of people cruise then...I will wait and pay more money to be with a nicer clientle.

One last thing...I did experience these people first hand as they yelled at me because they couldn't get on a tender fast enough....my husband had to step in and tell the man if he didn't stop yelling at me there would be a problem.....so this is what I dealt with.

The captain was very honest with us the entire time and infact we all recieved a note before we boarded and in our stateroom that our itinerary could possibly change because of the storm. So it's their own fault if they didn't enjoy themselves.

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Thank you for stepping up to the plate and telling it like it is ( or was ).
I'm glad you could make the best of a not-so-good situation, especially having to cope with a mob in addition to the bad weather.
Speaks highly of you. Too bad the " Miracle Mutineers Mob" couldn't , or wouldn't, look at it realistically.
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Methinks I would have had a "problem" with some of those thugs.
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Believe me they made an already crazy time worse and there was definately a mob mentality....I need to write carnival....I want to tell them that our trip was great but, they really need to do something about that group....especially the attorney who started it all.
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“Why do people in ship mutinies always ask for "better treatment"? I'd ask for a pinball machine, because with all that rocking back and forth you'd probably be able to get a lot of free games.” ~Jack Handy

I found this quote amusing. Cheers!
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