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Old August 30th, 2009, 04:02 PM
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Well I see the people on here do not get my point so this is my last comment. If I want to give my waiter let's say $4.50 a day and my stewart $5.50 a day I'm alright with that. My question is out of the $70.00 that is charged by CCL which is minimum tips for my services ($3.50,$2.00,$3.50,=$63.00) with and additional $7.00 being charged for each passenger for misc. Where is the $7.00 going? Are you sure it's a tip or is it subsidizing pay. When I questioned it I was told it was for the staff in the lido deck for bussing tables. Keep in mind theses workers are your assitance waiter. If you want to really find out, for those who have upcoming cruises on CCL or it's affiliates ask your assitant waiter (if you care about there treatment or pay) do they receive the extra tips? Maybe this is subsidizing there base pay for example 2500 passengers =$17,500.00 do the math. Someone replied that RCCL did the same thing, please go on RCCL.com and you will see you are wrong I just did Mariner last year and they gave me an option on how I wanted to pay (and they did not take it out without my approval) from my Sign and Sail or cash. Also if you choose
" just take it from my Sign and Sail" they give you a voucher to hand to your worker. One other thing for those that don't know CCL own Holland America Line, Cunard Line, Princess Cruises, Seabourn Cruise Line and Costa Cruises. and used to own NCL so if you witness this on any of these lines guess what it's still CCL. Keep in mind the object is the worker makes money not the cruisline. I owned a business for 17 years and I always made sure my employees got there tips furthermore I have never taken a tip or there tips.
I don't think it's the people on here that are misunderstanding.
According to Carnival website information- Gratuities consist of $3.50 per day for Stateroom service- $5.50 per day for Dining Room Service- $1.00 per day for Alternate services such as other kitchen staff and hotel service staff.
No one is doing anything underhand or double charging.
Subsidizing their pay?- well I'll explain it again so you understand... their salary structure consists of a very small basic salary - with the bulk of their pay designed to come from gratuities, which ensure good service. When these gratuities are removed it impacts negatively on the employee - ideally people only remove them when service has not met their expectations, which in my experience is rare. It's telling that the people who object to the gratuity system never object to it at the start of the cruise, only at the end once they have received the service....
I know what pay structures are and I understand what a tip is. Just do one thing on your next cruise if you can ask your asistant waiter if he or she get an extra tip in there pay or ask CCL where the extra dollar per day is going?
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I will take responsibility for the automatic charging of the gratuities (I call them service surcharges) to the Sail and Sign cards.

For years, I campaigned on my Comment Cards to implement this method. Since we are a family of four, I was tired of making sure I had almost $300.00 in cash...in the correct demoninations...in the correct envelopes...tracking down the right people to give it to.....

it was exhausting!

And while no method is going to make everyone happy, it is the best system for the crew.

The standing joke used to be that you got the best service in the Formal Dining Room on the last night.....because of the small number of passengers in attendance....the rest were avoiding their wait staff to stiff them on their tips.

And while it was not the majority stiffing the wait staff....it was enough to be obvious enough to make a joke about it.

We prepay ours (unless we have enough OBC to cover them) and consider it just a part of the cost of cruising.

Then I do "tip" (in the true sense of the word) those people who go above and beyond.

Those of us you have cruised enough to know the ropes....know this is the way the cruise lines pay their wait staff and stewards...and until that changes....we should go along with it or do not cruise.
I agree this method is very good it also get rid of the deadbeats. However it does not give CCL carte blanche to take out any amount they choose or force you to go to the purser desk and dispute any extra charge. Also a family of 4 is an additional $28.00 for the week above minimum tips.
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If you opt for MTDining on RCCL you have to pay gratuities upfront.

Joecru... it is only the Hotel staff that are paid by this method. It promotes good customer service from those that are in direct contact with the passenger. Gratuities are HOW they make their salary, their base pay is very minimal. If you pay the gratuities they are shared between those workers, so that dining staff who are assigned to different venues do not miss out. When you have received extra personal service, say from your room Steward, then extra tips are indicated.
Do you really think $3.50 per day for your Steward is a rip off?

Other staff, such as Engineering, Maintenance, Sales are paid by straight salary.
I guess you still don't see my point so please refer to CCL tipping. Please explain to me why am I paying an extra $1 for jobs 5 years ago I did not pay for they were salary jobs and furthermore RCCL do not make you pay for these salary jobs, (listed under the catagory of tips). RCCL: Cabin Stewart $3.50 per day Waiter $3.50 per day Asistant Waiter $2.00 per day = $63.00 per week. CCL: Cabin Stewart $3.50 per day Waiter $3.50 per day Asistant Waiter $2.00 per day plus $1.00 per day for kitchen staff which was once and still is on RCCL salary jobs. =$70.00 per week
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Joe - is that $7.00 a one-time charge? Is it per person or per cabin?

I have to admit I did not get what you were saying at first either, but you are saying that in addition to the regular tip charges they have a miscillaneous service fee that they charge right at the beginning of the cruise, right?

That would be a little strange and something new thing I have not seen before, personally. Of course, they could have easily hidden it by raising the daily charge by $.50 per person (or is it per stateroom?).

In any case, I don't like stocker shock, either, but it still isn't as bad as my phone bill with a dozen extra service fees for anything they can think of.
Thank you someone finally gets it and it is $7.00 per person per week. In other words I took my wife and 10 y/o niece it was an additional $21.00 for what once was salary jobs 5 years ago that now are called tips. Once again thank you! People are trying make it seem like I disputing tipping not at all my problem is once you have let CCL (Big Brother) in control of your SSA account they took the liberty of placing other charges whether or not you agree or as (I see in most cases hear on this thread you understand). I also agree why not charge it up front. I guess that is one way to try and make your cost seem cheaper but charge more once you come through the door. Also beware of pictures example 5by7 pictures CCL $12.00 RCCL $7.50.
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There are staff who only work at the buffets and don't work in the main dining rooms. Just because you see your assistant waiter working in the Lido restaurant doesn't mean all of them are up there. They rotate through but many workers bussing those tables are only assigned to the buffet. My understanding is that $1 per day also covers those people providing room service since not everyone tips them (I do). For perspective, RCI now charges $3.95 for room service orders between midnight and 5am.

You are correct in that RCI doesn't automatically add gratuities to your account unless you pre-paid them - which is done at the time of booking and also is a requirement for those choosing My Time Dining. Their website is confusing in it's wording. For those not familiar with RCI, once aboard you can choose to have tips added to your account but you have to request it. RCI still uses cash in envelopes as their default method. I predict they will go to auto-tips sometime soon.

None of us works for Carnival, so nobody here can explain to you why you are now tipping for jobs which you believe were salaried positions 5 years ago. You are assuming Carnival has the same payroll structure as RCI. Maybe they have changed it for some job descriptions in order to reduce expenses. Unless someone here works in Carnival's accounting department you won't find the answer to what jobs are salaried and what ones are not.
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The crew internet charges on CCL are MUCH cheaper than what the passengers pay. Same with the crew bar.

Carnival is providing a service which I appreciate. I don't have to stand in line at the pursers desk to change large bills into small and don't have to handle all the dirty money, stuffing it into envelopes, and trying to make sure everyone receives the correct envelope.

Carnival is doing nothing illegal, immoral, or under the table. The policy of automatically charging tips is clearly stated.
http://www.carnival.com/CMS/FAQs/Gratuities_Tips.aspx

John Heald has even addressed the issue on his blog.

RCCL charges up $14.95 for a steak in the main dining room and Carnival charges $0.

Cabin typically cost more and are smaller on RCCL.

The list goes on and on.

I don't sweat the small stuff.

If the employees were unhappy on Carnival, they would jump ship. I don't see that. I see the same smiling faces year after year. I am surprised that some remember me from years ago.

Enjoy RCCL. The worst cruise I ever had was on RCCL. I'm happy to stay with Carnival but reserve the right to stray once in a while.
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$7.00 Really? all this angst over $7.00?

Please pm me and I will be glad to mail you the $7.00 just to not have to ever read such a mountian of stuff over a molehill problem.

We pay "hidden" fees on every service we recieve at home.

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There are staff who only work at the buffets and don't work in the main dining rooms. Just because you see your assistant waiter working in the Lido restaurant doesn't mean all of them are up there. They rotate through but many workers bussing those tables are only assigned to the buffet. My understanding is that $1 per day also covers those people providing room service since not everyone tips them (I do). For perspective, RCI now charges $3.95 for room service orders between midnight and 5am.

You are correct in that RCI doesn't automatically add gratuities to your account unless you pre-paid them - which is done at the time of booking and also is a requirement for those choosing My Time Dining. Their website is confusing in it's wording. For those not familiar with RCI, once aboard you can choose to have tips added to your account but you have to request it. RCI still uses cash in envelopes as their default method. I predict they will go to auto-tips sometime soon.

None of us works for Carnival, so nobody here can explain to you why you are now tipping for jobs which you believe were salaried positions 5 years ago. You are assuming Carnival has the same payroll structure as RCI. Maybe they have changed it for some job descriptions in order to reduce expenses. Unless someone here works in Carnival's accounting department you won't find the answer to what jobs are salaried and what ones are not.
As for the tipping if you don't like to tip for room service you have the right not use it you have that control of your money
Don't forget you only prepay for service tips on RCCL not for extras whatever method you choose. Also you're right about not knowing CCL pay structure
So mean while whatever CCL ask you to pay (besides the cost of the cruise) you pay with know questions asked? Let me give you a senerio as a one time businessman what you do is make you base cruise price cheap to get the average persons interested and to be competetive then you tell people there will be a $1.00 surcharge per person per day. Also charge $12.00 for pictures 5x7 (RCCL $7.50) portion out food in the Redsail Diner, No longer let you use coins and get coin paybacks in the casino (slot machine), offer a kids meal in the main dining room when you are paying full price for your kids (hot dogs hamburgers instead of filet mignon) ect. Why not just charge these from the base and I will respect that.
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Is this the same guy who plays hockey and beat up the cabbie over 20 cents?
$7.00 Really? all this angst over $7.00?

Please pm me and I will be glad to mail you the $7.00 just to not have to ever read such a mountian of stuff over a molehill problem.

We pay "hidden" fees on every service we recieve at home. Is it just me or is this all a bunch of &%@#?
And if the hidden fee is in my base price I have no problem these are not hidden fees if they were I would not know about them. But hey that is your money but I see that you don't get it and you must have money to light cigars with $100.00 bills. The subject is the ripoff not the ability to pay $7.00. You are happy with giving away money and stick out your chest and say only $17,500.00 CCL is getting, I'm not! Now I understand how the conmen get there victims. Good luck!
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The crew internet charges on CCL are MUCH cheaper than what the passengers pay. Same with the crew bar.

Carnival is providing a service which I appreciate. I don't have to stand in line at the pursers desk to change large bills into small and don't have to handle all the dirty money, stuffing it into envelopes, and trying to make sure everyone receives the correct envelope.

Carnival is doing nothing illegal, immoral, or under the table. The policy of automatically charging tips is clearly stated.
http://www.carnival.com/CMS/FAQs/Gratuities_Tips.aspx

John Heald has even addressed the issue on his blog.

RCCL charges up $14.95 for a steak in the main dining room and Carnival charges $0.

Cabin typically cost more and are smaller on RCCL.

The list goes on and on.

I don't sweat the small stuff.

If the employees were unhappy on Carnival, they would jump ship. I don't see that. I see the same smiling faces year after year. I am surprised that some remember me from years ago.

Enjoy RCCL. The worst cruise I ever had was on RCCL. I'm happy to stay with Carnival but reserve the right to stray once in a while.
Who said anything about illegal or anything about the method of paying. It is great to prepay your tips for services rendered and on your SSA at your option. But when you have carte blanche on my SSA and to charge an extra fee this is a problem.
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Also charge $12.00 for pictures 5x7 (RCCL $7.50) portion out food in the Redsail Diner, No longer let you use coins and get coin paybacks in the casino (slot machine), offer a kids meal in the main dining room when you are paying full price for your kids (hot dogs hamburgers instead of filet mignon) ect. Why not just charge these from the base and I will respect that.
Carnival is not RCI and vice versa, so why the need to compare everything between these two cruise lines? Frankly Carnival is a better value in my book, and I am a diamond member on RCI. RCI has gone crazy over the past year on extra fees. Room service fees, charging for certain steaks in the main dining room, charging for certain juices, etc. They have also raised bar prices and photo prices. Don't rely on past experiences with RCI because they probably have changed since you last cruised with them.

I've never been forced to order from the kid's menu for my son while on a Carnival cruise, or any other cruise line for that matter. We've always had the option of his using the regular menu. If they assumed something and just handed your kid the child's menu, did you ask them to give the kid an adult menu?
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Would everybody be happy if the cruise line raised its base price and did not allow tipping? This is what an all inclusive resort is. A higher price but no tipping.
I personel would like that. The cruise line is probably more interested in advertising a low base price and then adding costs on later.
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Just stick with RCI and don't opt for anytime dining and you'll be fine. Enjoy your cruises.

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Exactly but why not the same thing on CCL.
Because Joe...different businesses are run differently. Just as there are different policies on dress codes, so are there on tipping. If you do not like the tipping policies that CCL operates under, you do not have to patronize the business. Case in point...I don't appreciate the fact that when I have a large party at a restaurant when we get gratuity automatically added to our bill simply because we have more than 6 people. Do I still go because I like the restaurant...yes. That said, I have the option to frequent other establishments that do not use this policy. You have the same option in your cruise line choice.
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Joe - is that $7.00 a one-time charge? Is it per person or per cabin?

I have to admit I did not get what you were saying at first either, but you are saying that in addition to the regular tip charges they have a miscillaneous service fee that they charge right at the beginning of the cruise, right?

That would be a little strange and something new thing I have not seen before, personally. Of course, they could have easily hidden it by raising the daily charge by $.50 per person (or is it per stateroom?).

In any case, I don't like stocker shock, either, but it still isn't as bad as my phone bill with a dozen extra service fees for anything they can think of.
Here's my take on what he's trying to say.

The cabin steward is getting $3.50 a day

The waiter is getting $3.50 a day

The asst waiter is getting $2.00 a dau for a total of $9 a day for a total of $63 and you are being charged $70.00 so that's where the $7.00 comes into play where he is asking where does the $7.00 go.

It was listed that the $1.00 per day goes to the people at the buffet and since these people are also your waiters and asst waiters you are in essence double tipping since they already receive either $3.50per day or $2.00 per day depending on the position they work in the dining room.

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I think ? what he is calling an extra $7.00 per cruise charge is in the way they break it down - on CArnival website it says- Gratuities consist of $3.50 per day for State Room service- $5.50 for Dining Room service- $1.00 per day ( or $7 EXTRA per cruise as the OP says ) for Alternate services such as other kitchen staff and hotel service staff.
Add it all up and it comes to $10 per day which is nothing new, just broken down a little differently than it used to be..... they don't mention Head Waiter, Assistant Waiter, Maitre 'd as they used to....
Apparently all this angst is over $7 for the duration of a cruise!
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Which RCCL ship sells photos for $7.50 - I don't know of one, they are all now around $20.
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OMG! I cant believe all this posting about basically one extra dollar!? If you are unhappy/dissatisfied with Carnival...don't sail with them!


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Joe - is that $7.00 a one-time charge? Is it per person or per cabin?

I have to admit I did not get what you were saying at first either, but you are saying that in addition to the regular tip charges they have a miscillaneous service fee that they charge right at the beginning of the cruise, right?

That would be a little strange and something new thing I have not seen before, personally. Of course, they could have easily hidden it by raising the daily charge by $.50 per person (or is it per stateroom?).

In any case, I don't like stocker shock, either, but it still isn't as bad as my phone bill with a dozen extra service fees for anything they can think of.
Thank you someone finally gets it and it is $7.00 per person per week. In other words I took my wife and 10 y/o niece it was an additional $21.00 for what once was salary jobs 5 years ago that now are called tips. Once again thank you!
Okay I had written three posts, but I deleted them all because I don't understand you point at first.


You are saying that Carnival charged you $10 per day in auto tips and $1 per day in a Service Charge for a total of $70+$7+$77 per person for the whole seven day cruise. This is new and I have some questions I hope you can answer:

Were you allow to remove the $7 service charge? Did they explain what this charge was for? At first I don't see the point of your post. But now that I understand it was an additional $7 per person on top of the auto tips your posts make more sense to me.
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Exactly but why not the same thing on CCL.
I don't know. Why doesn't RCI charge the same exact fares on ships doing the same itineraries as Carnival?

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Joe - is that $7.00 a one-time charge? Is it per person or per cabin?

I have to admit I did not get what you were saying at first either, but you are saying that in addition to the regular tip charges they have a miscillaneous service fee that they charge right at the beginning of the cruise, right?

That would be a little strange and something new thing I have not seen before, personally. Of course, they could have easily hidden it by raising the daily charge by $.50 per person (or is it per stateroom?).

In any case, I don't like stocker shock, either, but it still isn't as bad as my phone bill with a dozen extra service fees for anything they can think of.
Thank you someone finally gets it and it is $7.00 per person per week. In other words I took my wife and 10 y/o niece it was an additional $21.00 for what once was salary jobs 5 years ago that now are called tips. Once again thank you!
Okay I had written three posts, but I deleted them all because I don't understand you point at first.


You are saying that Carnival charged you $10 per day in auto tips and $1 per day in a Service Charge for a total of $70+$7+$77 per person for the whole seven day cruise. This is new and I have some questions I hope you can answer:

Were you allow to remove the $7 service charge? Did they explain what this charge was for? At first I don't see the point of your post. But now that I understand it was an additional $7 per person on top of the auto tips your posts make more sense to me.
No there was no additional $7 on top of the $10 per day. He is disputing this: $ 1.00 Per Day Alternative Services: distributed to other kitchen and hotel service staff.

He doesn't believe that CCL is paying the staff with this $1 and he should only be paying $63pp a week.

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Oh wow this guy is confusing the heck out of me. S.S. Oceanlover I agree with the fact the RCI charges more for the same itinerary. I cruise on May 2, 2010 my price per person $489 for the Splendor which entered service in 2008. RCI would have charged me $599 per person for Marnier of the Seas which entered service in 2002. Why would I pay $100 more for a older ship. Plus Carnival let's me bring a bottle of wine per person. I like the auto tipping I don't have to hassle with envelopes or having the right change.

Here is the tipping guidelines from RCI website. When I add up the suggested tips I get $9.75 per day for stateroom and $12.00 for a suite. So Carnival's tips per day is about the same as RCI. If the OP doesn't like Auto tips he should just remove them from his credit card at the purser's desk. I guess I still don't understand how Carnival is ripping him off.
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This whole thing has given me a headache. Why am I reading all these posts? I know the deal and I accept it. Period!
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I thought he said it was a $7 upfront charge per person and that it isn't mentioned in the tipping guidelines. I don't know if that is correct and $7 isn't much, but who here does not scour their final bill for any unforeseen charges? I know I do.

If I saw an odd $21 on my bill I wasn't expecting for a service charge I didn't think I received the service for I would mention it to the front desk. I am guessing that is what Joe did, and he was told it was for deckhands and bellmen. That's a new one on me and it is a valid point to mention it here.

You're OK Joe. Don't worry about the snide comments. Some things like $7 seem small, but it is how they are done that counts. It all adds into your cruise experience.
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Okay I have read along this thread. My opinion is the OP is not complaining about the $7 service charge. He is complaining over a quarter per day. Why do I say that? Because if he is tipping according to RCI's guidelines (see post above) he should be tipping $9.75 per day. So all this issue is over .25 cent per day or $1.75 for a seven day cruise. I can't beleive I spent this much time on $1.75.

I just think he doesn't like the auto tipping policy and is concerned that Carnival has control over his credit card. But even that is odd, because he can establish a cash account and not put anything on the credit card at all. Using words like "ripoff" and "double charge" are extreme and in my opinion incorrect.

For one thing you should be tipping by service; not by person. What if I go to the hair salon on both formal nights and I have the same stylist by both tiimes by OP's logic I shouldn't tip that person a second time, because that person already recieved a tip from me. That doesn't make sense to me. If I'm eating at the buffet or in the dining room for breakfast and lunch I'm recieving additional services and additional tips are required. That's my .2 cents worth.
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I thought he said it was a $7 upfront charge per person and that it isn't mentioned in the tipping guidelines. I don't know if that is correct and $7 isn't much, but who here does not scour their final bill for any unforeseen charges? I know I do.

If I saw an odd $21 on my bill I wasn't expecting for a service charge I didn't think I received the service for I would mention it to the front desk. I am guessing that is what Joe did, and he was told it was for deckhands and bellmen. That's a new one on me and it is a valid point to mention it here.

You're OK Joe. Don't worry about the snide comments. Some things like $7 seem small, but it is how they are done that counts. It all adds into your cruise experience.
I don't see where the comments are 'snide' just incredulous that someone could invest this much time and energy over $7. If it bothers him that much he should opt out of the gratuity system.
Some things are worth disputing and some are just not, particularly when the OP does not seem to grasp what these charges are and how they are broken down. Numerous posters have tried to explain this - that he is not being double charged, but - -- I give up! Not snide, just bemused that someone gets bent out of shape over this when the remedy is easily available to him..


And he titled this thread 'Watch out for Rip-offs' - a bit of hyperbole considering it's $7 ....
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I asked about this on my 2006 Statendam, Asia, cruise. We were lucky enough to be at the Captain's table for the duration of this cruise. I asked the Hotel Manager, Deidrik Van Regermorter, where the additional amount goes.

He responded that this money is distributed to non-tipped, lower paid, service staff who also make your cruise more enjoyable. He specifically mentioned the dishwashers; entry level waiters in the buffet and the laundry.

He said that when the final distribution is made it isn't a large amount of money for these people but it does give them added compensation. He did not give me a dollar amount.

I personally doubt that after the distribution anyone would receive more than $25 - $50 per month but it's better than nothing and it's nice to know that the behind the scenes, lower paid, crew receive something.

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I thought he said it was a $7 upfront charge per person and that it isn't mentioned in the tipping guidelines. I don't know if that is correct and $7 isn't much, but who here does not scour their final bill for any unforeseen charges? I know I do.

If I saw an odd $21 on my bill I wasn't expecting for a service charge I didn't think I received the service for I would mention it to the front desk. I am guessing that is what Joe did, and he was told it was for deckhands and bellmen. That's a new one on me and it is a valid point to mention it here.

You're OK Joe. Don't worry about the snide comments. Some things like $7 seem small, but it is how they are done that counts. It all adds into your cruise experience.
All tips on CCL are upfront, usually the whole weeks tips are charged the first day of the voyage.

There was no $7 extra charge on top of the $70.

This is his point on contention:
Well I see the people on here do not get my point so this is my last comment. If I want to give my waiter let's say $4.50 a day and my stewart $5.50 a day I'm alright with that. My question is out of the $70.00 that is charged by CCL which is minimum tips for my services ($3.50,$2.00,$3.50,=$63.00) with and additional $7.00 being charged for each passenger for misc. Where is the $7.00 going?

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Sounds like the OP is saying simply that he or she doesn't like automatic tipping and prefers the old way of personal gratuities. I can understand that point. However if the staff is pleased with this 10$ per day automatic, then I'm content as well.
To me it would more logical for the company to charge $70 more basic fare, then proclaim " No tipping expected".
By prepaying gratuities with final payment, that's how it works out in the end anyway. No tipping expected !

This thread is confusing me
Let me get this straight...out of $70, a mere $7 goes to miscellaneous staff?
Who cares about $7? If one had booked a $1000 stateroom, paid $500 add on air, and $400 or so on shore excursions, and blew more in the gift shops or casino, ....why WOULD they be so concerned about how a mere $7 was distributed?
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I don't recall when they started it, but my recollection is that Carnival has been putting $10 per person/per day on the account for a while now.
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Joe - is that $7.00 a one-time charge? Is it per person or per cabin?

I have to admit I did not get what you were saying at first either, but you are saying that in addition to the regular tip charges they have a miscillaneous service fee that they charge right at the beginning of the cruise, right?

That would be a little strange and something new thing I have not seen before, personally. Of course, they could have easily hidden it by raising the daily charge by $.50 per person (or is it per stateroom?).

In any case, I don't like stocker shock, either, but it still isn't as bad as my phone bill with a dozen extra service fees for anything they can think of.
Here's my take on what he's trying to say.

The cabin steward is getting $3.50 a day

The waiter is getting $3.50 a day

The asst waiter is getting $2.00 a dau for a total of $9 a day for a total of $63 and you are being charged $70.00 so that's where the $7.00 comes into play where he is asking where does the $7.00 go.

It was listed that the $1.00 per day goes to the people at the buffet and since these people are also your waiters and asst waiters you are in essence double tipping since they already receive either $3.50per day or $2.00 per day depending on the position they work in the dining room.

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