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spacewoman September 14th, 2009 08:24 PM

Drink prices
 
been reading questions regarding alcohol questions on Carnival. Just want to add this two cents. Carnival and it's sister company charge fairly reasonable prices for drinks. We were on NCL's Dawn and Spirit and I just remembered that an Apple Martini on NCL's spirit cost me over $10. Any martini on Princess was $6.50 and I think any drink last year on the Miracle was $5.50 to $6.50. So for those wondering their prices are equivalent to bar prices home in the US.

DayvidB September 18th, 2009 05:21 PM

In a way you are missing the point, folks dont expect to pay what they pay back home for drinks as the ship is "Duty Free" or less and does not pay the same tax that a bar would back home.

So depending on the level of tax in the "registered" Country, not the sailing country,,ie usually Panama etc then tax laws are less, hence the ship registration to that port/country.

We have a scenario of the lines taking advantage of reduced tax laws on certain items,,so they register there. But they do not pass on the gain in tax including drink prices to the people that sail with them,,,they mark it up to make up for selling cheap cabins in the first place.

Dont believe me, then why when you look at the butt of any Carnival ship are they registered in Nassau or similar ports? Not Miami, as they would have to pay US tax.

I'm guessing the lines are using a major loophole here, they appear to be American to you or I, but not in their tax liability, unlike you or I.

Kuki September 18th, 2009 05:50 PM

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Dont believe me, then why when you look at the butt of any Carnival ship are they registered in Nassau or similar ports? Not Miami, as they would have to pay US tax.

I'm guessing the lines are using a major loophole here, they appear to be American to you or I, but not in their tax liability, unlike you
While that is "somewhat true" , the main reason they register their ships in foreign countries is to avoid having to abide by US labor laws. They'd have to pay minimum wages and have 40-44 work weeks before overtime payments were required.... which would demand MUCH higher cruise fares in order to make a profit.

But, no question they keep their liquor prices high to compensate for the lower costs of the cruise fare. Which really isn't unreasonable. It's a case of user pay.

And those of us who drink very little enjoy having those who drink more subsidize our cruises, rather than have to subsidize that of those who drink more LOL

Mike M September 18th, 2009 09:27 PM

Re: Drink prices
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by spacewoman
been reading questions regarding alcohol questions on Carnival. Just want to add this two cents. Carnival and it's sister company charge fairly reasonable prices for drinks. We were on NCL's Dawn and Spirit and I just remembered that an Apple Martini on NCL's spirit cost me over $10. Any martini on Princess was $6.50 and I think any drink last year on the Miracle was $5.50 to $6.50. So for those wondering their prices are equivalent to bar prices home in the US.

On Carnival Pride, in April '09, a Bombay Saphhire martini was $10.25 and a vodka cranberry was almost $7. I remember well because the bar tab for the two was just over $17.

Drink prices have gone up.

Take care,
Mike

cruisingrandma2007 September 19th, 2009 10:45 AM

I work in the Restaurant/Bar business and have for many years. The prices have gone up because the cost has gone up. Like everything else in this country. So to expect the cost of a drink to be less is just dreaming I guess. Besides if you are on a cruise and its your fun vacation, Well what difference does it make what the cost of that drink is. I like Kuki am not a big drinker. So I have what I want when I want it and dont feel like I am running up my bill. I like my foo foo drink at the pool and maybe one more at the casino in the evening. I have a soda here and there on ship. I dont take any with me in my luggage. I am on vacation and will not try to cram in all the booze and soda I can handle in my luggage. I buy what I want. Trust me I am not wealthy by any means. But we save for our cruise. We enjoy our vacations. I am the first one looking for a deal. But we have to understand the cruise companies also have to make a buck or they wont be in business either. To constantly complain about the cruise companies is just wasted breathe. They are a company out to make a buck like everyone else in the world. Same as complaining about the tips. If you go out to a nice restaurant anywhere you are expected to pay a tip also. So what is different here. You are going out for every meal for 8 days. I call that heavenly! Happy cruising.

Master Chief September 19th, 2009 10:54 AM

cruisingrandma2007 says it all. If you went out to eat three meals a day and left a 15% tip you would more then exceed what a day on a cruise ship costs. And as far as liquor, while I don't drink nearly as much as my Navy days :) I still like a glass of wine or a drink now and then. We do bring a bottle or two of wine to enjoy in the cabin while getting ready for dinner or whatever. And lastly, we are on vacation. we have budgeted for the cruise and I will enjoy myself :D .

willie2 September 24th, 2009 09:31 PM

We just got back from Hawaii(NCL) July 09 and trust me the drinks were expensive, 6 beers were 29.00 and Martini was 19.50 but everything is high in Hawaii. We are going on another cruise Dec. 31, 2009 out of New Orleans (carnival) we hope to have a good time.

Russell in MD September 25th, 2009 01:07 PM

I had a converstaion with a somewhat senior bartender on our last cruise and the ships have to buy all their liquor in their home port. I assume this includes taxes. This was somewhat coroborated by the TV show where an RCCL ship had to trade for liqour with another ship during a cruise rather than buy it in port. The bartender said that there is one wholesaler that has cornered the market for most cruise lines in FL. If he doesnt deliver on turn around day he is responsible to get the booze to the ship at what ever means he has to on his dime even if it means flying stuff in.

I found Carnivals prices a bit high last month. Beefeater martini was $10 and a 16 oz domestic beer was almost $7. Four bottle bucket of beer was something like $22-23.

R

Dan40 September 27th, 2009 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by DayvidB
In a way you are missing the point, folks dont expect to pay what they pay back home for drinks as the ship is "Duty Free" or less and does not pay the same tax that a bar would back home.

So depending on the level of tax in the "registered" Country, not the sailing country,,ie usually Panama etc then tax laws are less, hence the ship registration to that port/country.

We have a scenario of the lines taking advantage of reduced tax laws on certain items,,so they register there. But they do not pass on the gain in tax including drink prices to the people that sail with them,,,they mark it up to make up for selling cheap cabins in the first place.

Dont believe me, then why when you look at the butt of any Carnival ship are they registered in Nassau or similar ports? Not Miami, as they would have to pay US tax.

I'm guessing the lines are using a major loophole here, they appear to be American to you or I, but not in their tax liability, unlike you or I.


Carnival charges prices similar to any US larger city or resort hotel bar would charge. Taxes have nothing to do with it. In Anytown USA, Joe's bar could charge $5.00 for a martini, while the "Ritzy Hotel" in downtown Anytown charges $12.00 for the exact same martini. Its the ambiance, NOT the taxes! The simple rule of thumb is, "Whatever the traffic will bear!"

cruisingrandma2007 September 27th, 2009 06:49 PM

I work in a supper club for many years. The cost of the drinks is what ever the general public will pay and still come into the establishment often. There is no set price they have to charge or what ever the taxes are. It is jsut the general area I would say. So duty free has nothing to do with the price of drinks they serve in the ships lounges/bars.

brad813 September 27th, 2009 09:29 PM

If NCL has $10 Appletinis(and I do love these, but I am fond of all martinis(shaken, not stirred of course)), then that is the same price as you would find on land, as long as you live in cities like New York, Los Angeles, and Miami. When in New York I frequently pay $6-$7 for a beer, so it is really relative to where you are from and where you have been as to what you find reasonable. I tend to think in terms of what is normal for a given city and since most cruise lines are based in Miami, or at least their American HQs are, I would expect to see Miami prices on board.

colorcrazie September 28th, 2009 03:32 PM

I really don't think that there is any relationship between drink prices in a given city and the cruise line. Wholesale liquor prices, yes, but not drinks served to the public. Besides, having lived in Miami for many years, I can assure you that you can find a huge variation in the prices of anything depending on where you go. South Beach can be 2 or 3 times the cost for a drink as Miami Lakes, not to mention the Latino sections.
Marty

brad813 September 28th, 2009 05:01 PM

Well, the wholesale liquor prices affect overall prices of mixed drinks do they not?

Dan40 September 28th, 2009 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by brad813
Well, the wholesale liquor prices affect overall prices of mixed drinks do they not?

Wholesale liquor prices are one, relatively MINOR, factor in the make up of the retail price of a drink. Mixed, straight, bottled or draft. What price will sell is the major factor.

brad813 September 28th, 2009 08:05 PM

Clearly a markup is up to the owner, but prices are largely dictated by the prices the bar pays for the liquor. The higher the wholesaler's price, the higher the markup for a reasonable profit. It is a series of causes and effects ultimately. Simple business really.

Joe323 October 4th, 2009 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Kuki
Quote:

Dont believe me, then why when you look at the butt of any Carnival ship are they registered in Nassau or similar ports? Not Miami, as they would have to pay US tax.

I'm guessing the lines are using a major loophole here, they appear to be American to you or I, but not in their tax liability, unlike you
While that is "somewhat true" , the main reason they register their ships in foreign countries is to avoid having to abide by US labor laws. They'd have to pay minimum wages and have 40-44 work weeks before overtime payments were required.... which would demand MUCH higher cruise fares in order to make a profit.

But, no question they keep their liquor prices high to compensate for the lower costs of the cruise fare. Which really isn't unreasonable. It's a case of user pay.

And those of us who drink very little enjoy having those who drink more subsidize our cruises, rather than have to subsidize that of those who drink more LOL

Additoinally they would be subject to US admiralty laws which would be quite expensive such as the Jones Act which contrary to what many posters believe is workers compensation for masters & crews of vessels.

spacewoman October 8th, 2009 10:01 AM

Have to follow up on my own posting. Just got off Miracle. 4-16oz beers $18.00 plus gratuity, Martini's $9.75 plus gratuity, drink of day in souvenier glass $7.50, mojitos, margaritas $8.75. Happy hour in atrium bar they took $1 off martinis but night they did margaritas they were charging $4.25 for them. Regular cocktails ran $4.50 to $5.50

big apple October 8th, 2009 11:09 AM

Not only are the drinks high in price but the special drink of the day is most of the time pre mixed with very little booze and I will always go to the bar and have them make from scratch and forget the fancy glass.Just one of the ways to get more for your hard earned dollar.

Dan40 October 8th, 2009 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by big apple
Not only are the drinks high in price but the special drink of the day is most of the time pre mixed with very little booze and I will always go to the bar and have them make from scratch and forget the fancy glass.Just one of the ways to get more for your hard earned dollar.

You want the most from your dollar? Go to the bar and have the bartender take care of you. TIP him $1.00 in cash on top of the 15% added to the tab.
Do that every drink you order, for you or anyone else.
If you see that he is good, quick, knows what he is doing, is a pro, leave a $5.00 when you leave his area. You'll be getting drinks that will make your eyes water! :twisted:

spacewoman October 8th, 2009 07:32 PM

I must disagree with the drink of the day is watered down theory. Or I should say it wasn't that way in 2004. The 3 drink of the days I had aboard Legend that I took 3 and a half hours to drink gave me a 3 hour nap and I missed Puerto Rico! Fellow cruiser told us it gave her quite a nap as well. When I asked our bartender what was in it she started with Baquardi 151, meyers rum and a few other items. No wonder I got smashed and I learned to ASK what is in it before I drink it. This year our bartender said they took the 151 off the ship. Gee I wonder why

DayvidB October 16th, 2009 02:29 PM

I still feel this is misguided, this whole debate. If you are talking about USA ships in Carib waters and they can only take on drink at American prices and at American tax laws then,,fine.

But these ships sail all over the world, and for months at a time and not always in the Carib and American waters.

You can not tell me ALL the booze they sell in Europe or Asia on a 4 or 6 month tour has come all the way from the USA,,,it dont, think about it, neither does the food or anything else used on that ship

I have seen truck loads of booze in ports like Malaga, Barcelona etc going onto American ships for their upcoming itinery and all purchased outside the USA. They the line love it, buy it cheap but set at the price of what folks from the USA would expect to pay.

They will continue to do this, as it will allow them to take back a big percentage on having sold the bed and food cheap in the first place,,,simple

Why cant folks see this?

Kuki October 16th, 2009 05:59 PM

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You can not tell me ALL the booze they sell in Europe or Asia on a 4 or 6 month tour has come all the way from the USA,,,it dont, think about it, neither does the food or anything else used on that ship
The stocking of stores for the ship is not so simple. Often what you're seeing being loaded onto the ship are goods actually bought elsewhere and shipped to the port ... for restocking purposes.

It's not that they don't also buy local products, but there's many things that are calculated into their buying decisions. Not the least of which is currency values.

For some time the Euro has been quite strong against the value of the U.S. dollar.... and in some cases (when stocking entire fleets) the currency exchange can be significant enough to buy elsewhere and ship good to the ships in various ports of call.

You can't equate the costs to the same as it is with you going to the local liquor store or market.

Aerogirl October 16th, 2009 07:14 PM

Actually I would expect to pay more simply because you are on vacation. Duty free or not business is business. I think $5.50 to $6.50 is a good price for a fun, good drink. Just my opinion.


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