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Interesting..thanks for link. I wonder why they immediately called their hometown newspaper.
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I have to agree..that would not be my 1st thought...she probably figured, [and lucky she had cell service] that she could beat everyone else and make the news! Guess what!
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and now it will be blown to epic proportions . . . everyone loves ya until the first thing goes wrong... then watch out
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Must of been a heck of a buoy!
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and now it will be blown to epic proportions
Exactly, this happens on almost every cruise. Why would it even be news? The media is obviously biased against the cruise lines. Why is the news media so insistent on reporting news?

"The ship was shuddering. Just shake shake shake and that's when all the dishes were coming out. It was a mess, it looked like a food fight and that's when everybody jumped up screaming and running trying to get outside," said Epley.

"They had to close down stores, all the glass went flying and it broke the glass on the outside of the liquor store," said Epley.

"People were crawled all over everybody and screaming and it was horrible and we finally got out to hang on the side of the balcony railing because it was tipped so much, if you didn't, you'd be sliding back into the restaurant," said Epley.
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I think a lot of people ENJOY a bit of drama in their lives, so they like to embellish situations for more attention. IMHO

We had the same thing happen on the Conquest. Some broken displays, glasses, and lots of pool water ended up in our cabin...oh well...you just go on, can't let it effect your enjoyment. It's a part of the cruise experience.
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I think a lot of people ENJOY a bit of drama in their lives, so they like to embellish situations for more attention. IMHO

We had the same thing happen on the Conquest. Some broken displays, glasses, and lots of pool water ended up in our cabin...oh well...you just go on, can't let it effect your enjoyment. It's a part of the cruise experience.
That is SO true Snoozerman. We are on the same page. Why anybody would complain about pool water running into their cabiin or people being injured by a listing ship is beyond me. Man up, ppl!! Water flows into cabins and people are injured on cruise ships all the time. Just deal and stop whining!

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While I def. agree with your general sentiment, there were still 60 people injured by the time it was said and done. My mother was on the pool deck and said it was a frightening few minutes not knowing how much the ship would continue listing. Water in cabin, been there. Broken glass, seen it. But 5 dozen injured hardly qualifies as whining...especially if you were one of them.

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This must have been very scary for the passengers . Here's the "official" notice taken from John Heald's blog:
Thursday, April 22, 2010
Yesterday, April 21, at approximately 12.55 pm U.S. central time, the cruise ship Carnival Ecstasy was forced to perform a maneuver to avoid an object in the water which resulted in the ship listing 12 degrees to the starboard side. The object was a large buoy which was adrift and mostly submerged thereby preventing it from being detected by the ship’s radar. The Carnival Ecstasy was on the final leg of a five-day cruise that departed Galveston, Texas, on Saturday, April 17 with stops in Cozumel and Progreso, Mexico and was carrying approximately 2340 passengers and 900 crew.
The movement of the vessel resulted in minor injuries to 60 guests who were treated at the ship’s infirmary as well as some minor damage to merchandise and unsecured objects.
The vessel docked this morning in Galveston, Texas, as scheduled. All proper authorities, including the U.S. Coast Guard have been notified.
Carnival sincerely apologizes for the distress and discomfort this occurrence has caused our guests. The safety, comfort and care of our guests and crew is our top priority.
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Galveston, I'm glad you Mom is ok, and for sure it was a scary situation. Any injuries, is a serious issue, and I read the crew was outstanding...
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This was not a normal incident and was quite terrifying to most of the passengers. With 60 people injured I don't blame anyone for "complaining" a bit.

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I'm sure it was scary for everyone for a minute and I'm sure there are some legit complaints, but there were some pax who were over dramatic. They have interviewed several here locally on TV. Only the dramatic gets aired. Then they start laughing. And why did some pax initiate calls to the media? For attention. My concern is the media coverage that I think is exploiting the situation, not the seriousness of the event for those pax involved. The media just seems to seek out this situation. They should have given more air time to the pax praising the crew responce before and after than the dramatic ones.
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I'm sure it was scary for everyone for a minute and I'm sure there are some legit complaints, but there were some pax who were over dramatic. They have interviewed several here locally on TV. Only the dramatic gets aired. Then they start laughing. And why did some pax initiate calls to the media? For attention. My concern is the media coverage that I think is exploiting the situation, not the seriousness of the event for those pax involved. The media just seems to seek out this situation. They should have given more air time to the pax praising the crew responce before and after than the dramatic ones.
From what I can gather you are saying is the media failed to cover this story correctly.

In the United States, we have an open news forum. You may not like it (you Snoozerman can also publish your side if you don't like what was reported.). Anything and everything can be reported on freely in the USA. It is clear many don't like this system ... god only knows what their alternative is.
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Local new, especially, seems to be driven by the "local angle". So it doesn't matter that there is a volcano eruption in Iceland and people there lost their lively hood. The "local angle" is that Fred Smith was there once upon a time.
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From what I can gather you are saying is the media failed to cover this story correctly.

In the United States, we have an open news forum. You may not like it (you Snoozerman can also publish your side if you don't like what was reported.). Anything and everything can be reported on freely in the USA. It is clear many don't like this system ... god only knows what their alternative is.
I think maybe the alternative is reporting the TRUTH, "as it happens". Not "as we think it happened", or "as we'd like for it to have happened", or even "as we'd like for you to believe it happened". Is that asking too much?

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and now it will be blown to epic proportions . . . everyone loves ya until the first thing goes wrong... then watch out
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Sky, Better words were never spoken. And for Snoozeman you were right on the mark. And from Aiden's comments I still think he is in the employ of the enemy (cruise line competitor) :-). He/she left comments on another post that made me think that and now I am really beginning to believe it.
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I think maybe the alternative is reporting the TRUTH, "as it happens". Not "as we think it happened", or "as we'd like for it to have happened", or even "as we'd like for you to believe it happened". Is that asking too much?

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Fair enough. The media reported that the ship listed, glass was broken, and passengers were slightly injured ... and mentioned there were no serious injuries. They quoted passengers and also a representative of Carnival.

I gather you think this is not "the TRUTH". At least one other poster thinks reporting what happened is "blowing it out of proportion".

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Regardless of what we all think (not being there) it must have been pretty serious whatever happened if 60 people were injured. I don't think that is something to be taken lightly.
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When the Princess ship listed a few years ago people reported being scared to death.

An unexpected list on a cruise ship is a very scary thing - after all they were in calm seas and had no idea why the ship was doing that.

Plus, I dont know how long the list lasted but it had to be pretty steep for 60 people to be hurt.

A ship listing is an odd thing, especially in calm waters. The ship starts to tilt and you just adjust witrhout thinking about it - but then when it keeps going (some what gradually) you start thinking "I need to grab onto something" or else you are going to be walking (or runing) in a direction you didn't expect.

Chairs can fall over. I have seen grand pianos go rolling across a stage. Things like tall vases, speaker columns, - anything someone placed without thinking what might happen - can fall over.

Waiters carrying a tall stack of dishes - cooks in the kitchen with a hot stove. These are all hazards.

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Dang - I just lost a long post to the ether.

I think these listings are scary things. If you are ship savvy and know to grab onto something it isn't a big deal. The problem is that they were in calm seas and no one expected it to list like that.

I have seen grand pianos go rolling across an empty stage. I have seen bottles and glasses fall off of shelves.

the problem is that it comes on gradually so yo think you can just adjust your body, but then it goes farther than you thought and you are suddenly walking ro running in a direction you weren't expecting. If you are older and have mobility issues yo can easily fall down or over something.

When the Princess ship listed I think they had broken limbs. Carnival was lucky no one was seriously injured.

And as far as the media goes - yeah, they do sensationalize it, That's their job. They have to make it sound as scary as possible, because it's a "safe" scary. It is ironic, though. They will then move on to a murder report and act like its just another day. Thats the news biz, folks.
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And as far as the media goes - yeah, they do sensationalize it
That may or may not be true. Regarding this incident, will you post the actual quotes from the media that you find sensational?
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From what I can gather you are saying is the media failed to cover this story correctly.
Not correctly..it could have been covered with a balance, not slanted.

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Not correctly..it could have been covered with a balance, not slanted.

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OK. Everybody keeps saying it ... nobody, including you, actually posts the quotes they find "slanted".

As I said before, the ship listed (reported), some passengers were injured (reported), no serious injuries (reported), passengers quoted, Carnival quoted.

Bias!

Just post what you think is unbalanced instead of just saying it, please!
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OK. Everybody keeps saying it ... nobody, including you, actually posts the quotes they find "slanted".

As I said before, the ship listed (reported), some passengers were injured (reported), no serious injuries (reported), passengers quoted, Carnival quoted.

Bias!

Just post what you think is unbalanced instead of just saying it, please!
Ok. If we can agree that the internet is nowadays part of "the media" then I offer this as a sample of blowing out of proportion...
From Did Carnival's Ecstasy Cruise Ship Almost Hit A Sand Bar? : Cruise Law News

"I was on that cruise. There was a buoy, but the buoy was there marking a sand bar that we almost ran aground on!! The land mass was on the radar. You can see the radar, direction and course of the ship on one of the channels in each cabins TV. The ship made a NINETY DEGREE TURN!! You dont do that to avoid a buoy! I was also told by a crew member that someone on the bridge was getting fired over the mistake. The cruise line is covering its butt!!"



Since we are demanding proof, perhaps someone could post the coordinates of the location of the "phantom" buoy/sandbar/Loch Ness monster the ship avoided.

I am certain I can find plenty of examples of the issue being reported "sensationalized" just as I can find reports of other cruiselines(not other lines within CCL) that had incidents sensationalized.

The point here, I think, is that the media does not always treat the cruise industry fairly. A search of this site (CM) alone will find examples of posters that post negatively one time and never return to support their story.

Hate mongering (One who incites others to hatred or prejudice) on an industry.

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Ok. If we can agree that the internet is nowadays part of "the media"
Uhhhhh, by definition, no. Sheesh, NOW who is being biased and slanted?
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Hate mongering (One who incites others to hatred or prejudice) on an industry.
Is the news media an industry?

Your argument is so far is "The news media is biased and sucks. I can't provide evidence of this but everybody knows it sucks. People who have bad experiences on cruises post them one time and don't do it over and over. This proves the news media sucks."

Does that pretty much sum it up?

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Lively discussion is welcome and I enjoy reading both sides....But your last remark was why it was edited...I think you know that keep up the discussion everyone
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