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Old June 30th, 2010, 10:38 AM
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Lately the cruise industry has introduced new ships such as Oasis and Epic that have many new innovations such as upscale and diverse entertainment, multiple dining venues, phenomenal water parks and activities from zip lining to bowling.

Do you feel that Carnival, that once led the industry in innovation and fun, is now moving to the back of the cruising pack?

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I think they are a bit lacking, but then they can make up for it in lower fares...People are always trying to compare Carnival versus Royal Caribbean and to me, they are very close in some ways and totally different in others, especially in price. I happen to enjoy a good deal of the extras that Royal Caribbean has to offer and am willing to pay for it...I think Carnival offers a wonderful cruise, good food, decent entertainment, but doesn't have a lot of the other extras that Royal Caribbean does and yep, it will cost more to enjoy those....

I think for what Carnival delivers in a cruise is a good deal and a fair price for what you get....They may see it, as they have a good thing going, why change it?? Just MHO..
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I have watched the new innovations that have rolled out and they are interesting, but for me the experience of being at sea, eating good food at an affordable price is what keeps me with Carnival. I think of it like this, I can rock climb here where I live, I can ice skate here, see good shows at the casino, and have a variety of unique dining options.
I look at these innovations much the same way as I do laundry detergent. I cannot tell you how many times my "Tide" has been "new and improved". All I really care about is, does it get my clothes clean? Gimmicks are interesting, but I do not care to sail on an amusement park.
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I agree with reverendJeff, Royal Caribbean, NCL, and the like may have alot of extra activities, dining options, etc., but what they don't tell you is that you have to sign up for specific times, and most of them cost extra, above and beyond that of the cruise. I don't know about you, but why would I pay extra to eat a hamburger at Johnny Rockets?

Plus, most of Carnivals ships now have extra dinning options (Supper Club, Chefs Table, etc.) I never get tired of the food, or don't know what to eat, there is something for everybody.

And lastly, I cruise for the destination, and all these lines go to the same place, so why pay up to a $1000 dollars extra, to go to the same place, just so I can surf on board, or ice skate in the tropics, no thanks.
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Ditto for me. I really enjoy being on the water and having a nice meal. I don't really do much of anything but unwind when I'm cruising, so having less to do on board does not bother me at all. I guess I'm just a cruisin' sloth
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Lots of people are into (what I call) "gimmicks"... and that is fine .. but I don't happen to be one of them.

I am not interested in a theme park at sea....with the 6,000 people that come with it.

Some cruise lines seems to be "searching" for that next gimmick to get their customers in the door....

Carnival understands their customer base and serves it well.
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I'm old school..stick to what you know, but do it well and do it consistently every time...Carnival does a good job, I don't need all the bells and whistles..just smooth water, clean room, good food and plenty of chances to relax..does not take much to entertain me
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When your number one the pressure is on number two & three to come up with the new ideas in order to close the gap. Carnival is setting pretty good in the industry right now, they can let the others experiment.
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One of the reason we continue to cruise with Carnival is because they don't have the "extras " that boost the price up. I don't want to have to make a reservation to see a show or pay extra to get a good meal and get good service.

We don't go on a cruise to ride a flow rider, to climb a rock wall or to see Blue Man Group. We go to relax and enjoy the ports. And if we are lucky we will enjoy the shows that provided.

I think Carnival has it right in the way they are handling the business.

I will let others pay more and have to plan every minute of their cruise in order to go to the shows, ride the flow rider etc. Try to make a reservation with 5000 - 6000 others. It didn't work for us on NCL Pearl and I'm sure it has to be more of a problem on the larger ship.

Add me to Snoozeman, venice, lhp, sistagoldenhair, Cruzin_PA and reverendjeff just give me clean room, good food and plenty of chances to relax, to quote venice.

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DITTO! Carnival offers exactly what I cruise for, and for a price that I can live with! I certainly hope they DON'T add all the features that I don't care about, or use, then have to boost the price of my cruise to pay for 'em. Those who want to pay for the extras, certainly have a number of lines, and ships to choose from. I think Carnival has the exact right idea!

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For so many, including some here....give cruisers a good price, an interesting ship, good food and entertainment, and leave the other stuff to the competition.

As we have sadly discovered reading Paul's blog on e the Epic, the much touted cutting edge design, has people scratching their heads...

Younger people, new to cruising , may be thrilled to experience the flow rider, rock wall, zip lines and such, because they may think if this stuff is not offered, they would be bored on a cruise.....no AARP cruisers, I know, would dare partake in these activities.

My take on updating Carnival would have Joe Farcus, design a totally different atmosphere onboard...taking the interiors to a totally different level of sohistication....without all the bells and whistles of the other lines.
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Younger people, new to cruising , may be thrilled to experience the flow rider, rock wall, zip lines and such, because they may think if this stuff is not offered, they would be bored on a cruise.....no AARP cruisers, I know, would dare partake in these activities.

My take on updating Carnival would have Joe Farcus, design a totally different atmosphere onboard...taking the interiors to a totally different level of sohistication....without all the bells and whistles of the other lines.
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My wife, an AARP member, loves zip lines, rock walls and has done a flow rider at the local water park. I agree that it would be great for Farcus to come up with a new interior design. I love Carnival but on a number of their ships the decor is just a bit too much.



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I don't like heights, so no rock climbing for me, I love to relax on the Lido deck and watch the waves go by, I 'll stick with Carnival, and forget the gimmicks
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Trip, I have a freind age 60 that has done both rock wall and zip lines(in Belize) all within the last couple of years, so I don't think all AARP members would not do them. I would love to but 2 things stop me; my fear of falling and my bad back. But I would not want to zip line on the Oasis. Of course I don't have to worry about that as I doubt that I will ever cruise on the Oasis.
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Nancy I am sure there are tons of pysically active people who have AARP cards, who enjoy all the activities offered..my point, was I don't know any
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I really think Carnival knows exactly what their doing--they have it down pat and you can't argue with success. Some say their ships are "over the top " in interior design, etc. but look
look closely at some of the newer ships that their competitors have come out with. In all honesty, the NCL Epic has to be the ugliest ship ever constructed. Aircraft carriers are prettier and they're warships! I wonder about the long haul for this type ship-- frosted glass in the bathrooms? Sink out in the main cabin area,? Having to step from the shower across to the other side to get a towel? I've read from several sources the disappointment and displeasure of a few of these things re / this ship.
I can see this wearing pretty thin pretty quick. I think Carnival will still be leading the pack in sales volume and value for money spent for a long time to come. I fear RCCL and NCL has went very far out on a limb and hopefully they don't fall off. They'll be a long time , if ever, in overcoming Carnival simply because Carnival offers a great product at a reasonable price. Just my opinion, which of course means nothing to anyone but me!
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I actually chose Carnival because of their lack of "gimmicky" things. My first few cruises were with large groups on Royal Caribbean, and while it was cool that the boat had rock walls and such, we didn't once use them. I prefer a cruise that I can relax, not have to stand in line for something I can do at home.
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It is kind of interesting to me that for years Carnival went outside the box to create a different cruise experience and now they would be considered a more "classic" style cruise because of the competition trying "anything" to take market share from them.
Carnival consistently provides a tremendous "value" and does not need to become something they are not.
I don't go on a cruise to ice skate or climb a stupid wall......
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NCL's "innovations" have cost them a lot of money - the ill fated attempt at all American ships in Hawaii and the Epic. NCL cancelled the order for the Epic 2.

Since Carnival is in good shape financially, I don't think they want to stick their neck out in this financial climate.
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Everyone always seems to compare Carnival with Royal Caribbean. I have sailed 8 times with Carnival (with 2 more booked) and 7 times with RCI (with 1 booked). I obviously don't have an issue with either line. I have also sailed NCL, HAL, and Princess.

When on RCI, I don't climb the wall, do the flow rider, skate, etc. but I love the ships. They are very beautiful and offer a wide variety in entertainment (especially the Oasis). I don't believe the RCI ships are any more crowded than Carnival's, even with 5,000+ passengers. There has been a great deal written about this, by those who have sailed on the Oasis.

Lots of different factors influence the cruises I book: a good deal; a group decision by our DS, DIL, and granddaughter; friends have booked a particular cruise and I can't stand to miss out on the fun; convenience to port; curiousity of a particular ship; new itinerary. These are all reasons I have booked in the past.

So I don't book a ship just because it does or does not have lots of bells and whistles, but that certainly doesn't deter me from booking, either! Obviously Carnival is doing something right, and has a very loyal group of repeat cruisers who agree!
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Darlene, I would book with RCI but it would not be the Oasis or the Alure. We did enjoy our one cruise with RCI. W e would possible do the Freedom but that is big enough for us, but the price has got to be right.
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Darlene, I would book with RCI but it would not be the Oasis or the Alure. We did enjoy our one cruise with RCI. W e would possible do the Freedom but that is big enough for us, but the price has got to be right.
I'm probably not a good one to ask, because I love all of them! The prices seem higher for RCI, right now, I'm guessing, because so many of their ships are in Europe, leaving fewer options for us. Our son and daughter-in-law love RCI, so they always lean that direction. However, I'm sure they will want to sail on the new Magic, when it gets to Galveston.

I loved the Oasis and didn't find it too big. If the additional walking is an issue, I found most of additional size was added to the width of the ship, so it didn't seem that much longer than any other ship. I would book it or the Allure again, in a heartbeat.... but the prices need to come down before I do so.
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OK so we dont have a rock wall to clime or a surf boad to ride or a, or a ,or a, but the also dont have 4000 people trying to get off at a port, are you going to ride a surfboard, or climb the rock wall of go down the promonade , and add maybe 800-900 per cruiser. I think all the new stuff is well not for me, it is also something else that can break and not be available even though you paid alot more money. If the cruise industry has to play" keep up with the jones' it has lost the real meaning of cruising. Besides can you imagine off loading 4ooo people at a tourist area and having to wait 2hrs to get off, not to mention the food line on the lido deck, or a tender port.
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I thought you were going to go with us in Oct of 2011?? Yea, it would be nice if the prices were even lower, but for a new ship, not bad prices at all...
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While i think Carnival offers a great product for the price, i do think they should invest a bit and try to be a little more innovative. Carnival is still my fav cruise line, but i would sure like to see Carnival compare with some of the other ships out there, it really seems like Carnival is about 10 years behind RCL in innovations.
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I look at these innovations much the same way as I do laundry detergent. I cannot tell you how many times my "Tide" has been "new and improved". All I really care about is, does it get my clothes clean? Gimmicks are interesting, but I do not care to sail on an amusement park.
That's an apt analogy. I mean who really gives a care about rock climbing walls on a ship? Those climbing walls are cheesy in a shopping mall and look even more kitsch on a ship funnel. Nor do I go on a Caribbean cruise in order to ice skate.
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In all honesty, the NCL Epic has to be the ugliest ship ever constructed. Aircraft carriers are prettier and they're warships!
Yeah I agree that she looks...well....odd . Like it's top heavy at the front or something.
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All those "innovations" not only cost money to implement, but also increase maintenance costs. By keeping designs similar, Carnival has a huge advantage in economies of scale. They buy in quantities that other lines can only dream of.

Carnival offers affordable cruise vacations and makes a healthy profit doing so. Carnival reinstated a (reduced) dividend for shareholders that RCCL hasn't been able to match. I'd say that is pretty innovative.
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