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Dudes---its killing me when I read some of the stories about this experience. This was not a CRUISE. Its was an EMERGENCY. I read things like "food was terrible, casino not working, etc, etc...". give me a break!!!!!! This was not life as usual. This was a true emergency. Ships can sink too!!!

If your Lexus or Mercedes leaves you stranded in the desert because you got a flat tire, would you say the car is a bad car? Of course not! And when they show you how to use the life vests on an airplane, do you normally have to use it? Of course not! And when they do the muster drills at the beginning of a cruise, do people take it seriously? I don't think so. But all of this stuff is serious stuff.

I'm not going to deny that being in a situation like the people on Splendor went through sucks!!! I've been on many cruises. I would be upset too. But sh-t happens.

If you want zero risk, don't drive your car and don't leave your house.

Be happy that everyone is safe and alive!!!!!!
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Dudes--- sh-t happens.

If you want zero risk, don't drive your car and don't leave your house.
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If you stay in your house there are still risks. People very often die in their own homes.

Life is allways risky, that's why we treasure it.

After my Vietnam experience, being on the Splendor would have been a piece of cake. Being without hot water, power or hot food without being shot at I can handle.

And the most important thing is these people lived to go out and have more vacations.

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It sure sounds like Carnival and their staff have done a great job dealing with the passengers, ship, etc. I give them a lot of credit and giving everyone their $ back, plus a free cruise, not a bad deal at all.
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It sure sounds like Carnival and their staff have done a great job dealing with the passengers, ship, etc. I give them a lot of credit and giving everyone their $ back, plus a free cruise, not a bad deal at all.
I agree and pardon the pun, they will be at a minimum 'dining out' on the story for years!
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I agree. I've heard people say I would never cruise Carnival again. Give me a break, it could happen to any cruiseline! I think they did a pretty good taking care of the passengers.
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Good posts, Crusierlen and Manny! So true!

There have been a few who have stated that they would never sail Carnival again. If that is the case, they may as well never cruise again, because it can happen on any ship. Give me a break!

Most of the comments I have heard and read have affirmed that the passengers recognized that Carnival did all they could, under the circumstances, and commended the crew and staff, highly! It seems that there wasn't the panic that could have erupted. I'm sure there were a some malcontents, raising a ruckus, but hopefully they were few.

Kudos to Carnival for a job well done! How a company handles an emergency speaks volumes, and Carnival did it right, in my opinion. From the President and CEO, to the captain, to the crew who worked endless hours, in the heat, trying to restore the power, to the entertainment staff on the front lines with passengers, trying to keep them entertained and fielding any questions and concerns, to the crew members making the chain to get stores from deck 1, up to deck 9. The passengers could go to the upper decks to get fresh air, where did the crew go? Everyone stepped up their game!
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I am sorry to say it was obvious the greater media was looking for the most negativity it could find. I was wondering why they didn't swarm in on my passenger interview, (most were gone by the time she came along) but now I realized it was because she only had positive things to say.

And I know she wasn't a plant because I saw her friends Navy Seal brother come and pick them up.

That's just life here, if it bleeds it ledes.

Carnival did a great job and that could have happened to any cruise ship - they all use the same Wartsilla engines as far as I know.
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The recently rescued Chilean miners were more positive- lets get this into perspective!
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Not to belabor the subject, but they have muster drills exactly for situations like this. And airlines show us how to use life vests and oxygen when we get on an airplane. And we wear seat belts when we get in our cars.

Hopefully, we'll never have to use any of these things. But once in awhile, bad things happen. This is life. We just have to deal with it.

And Carnival and their passengers dealt with it.
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Manuel, I understand. These people had their cruise interrupted and certainly that's disappointing to a big extent but it's not the end of the world.

When you're out somewhere where it seems like the whole world is trying to kill you, when you haven't have a decent few hours sleep for days, haven't had a bath or shower for several days, are dead tired , hungry , thirsty and would give $20 dollars for a cold coke, have had to drink warm water in a canteen stripped from a dead friends body and as you say, being shot at in the mean time, this kind of stuff turns into a joke.
But what can you say--some people will complain if it rains--others will complain if it doesn't--- and so it goes.
Best thing to do is just ignore the ignorant ones.
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Hey....... stories for life, money back, and a free cruise I wish I was on that ship, am not kidding.......such a deal. I would have been making jokes and I KNOW i would have taken a cold shower, there is no way I will stink for 4-5 days.
When you have been through tougher stuff in your life, this would have been just an uncomfortable situation, once they told people there was no real danger and they were safe, just make the most out of it.....spam and pop tarts what the heck its food........and you are still not cooking at home
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Sadly, as Paul said...the negative will get the headlines...

here is the good news...

I just watched a video where Cahill addressed the staff and crew after all the passengers were off the ship....and I really think he was floored.....

he walked among the passengers before they got off and asked for their input (which probably floored them).... and he said he was just amazed at the hundreds of people he talked with. They praised the crew, they talked about what an adventure, they said they appreciated the way Carnival was handling it....

It restores my faith that there was indeed more travelers than tourist on this ship!!!!

Unfortunately, it is the "tourist" that will get the headlines because you have "yellow" journalists leading with questions line..."tell me the WORST"...

this incident highlighted more negatively about the "press" than it did Carnival.
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I SOOOO agree...our local newspapers just latched onto the most negative passenger comments. Rather than raising to the occasion and looking at this event as an opportunity to praise the efforts of the Carnival staff and crew to make them comfortable, some passengers have chosen to act like spoiled brats. (just remember the staff were doing without too! But they had to make do and smile) It's not like Carnival benefits from the Event, not in this economy anyway. Their taking a big big hit. We've never been on a Carnival cruise...but after seeing the way the cruise line handled a most difficult situation, we certainly will cruise Carnival in the near future!!!
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It's true and highly unfortunate, but the negative does sell, its the headlines....I'm just glad we can hear the good side of the accident. I always know when hearing a story, there is always 2 sided to the story. Just glad that all the passengers made it back and there were no major injuries to both passengers and staff.
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I found out today 2 friends of mine were on the ship, can't wait to speak with them get the story right from them, NOT THE MEDIA!
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A typical media story when the very first phone calls came into San Diego locally (I was here) repeated a passenger saying she was "scared because they didn't give her enough insulin."

That was all they said - of course leaving the impression that it was somehow the cruise line's responsibility to supply insulin for passengers.

Umm... GET OVER the perception that cruise ships are senior living centers, ok? That reporter had never been on a cruise ship, obviously.

I heard a guy on KFI last night ranting anti-cruise crap... "You go on a cruise ship, and you are stuck with the same people, who just retired from ___ and ___, and every time you see them you have to talk to them, and then you have the same people for dinner and you are stuck with no place else to go..."

Virtually everything he said is wrong:

Cruise ships are so big now you are lucky if you see people you meet more than once, most of the people are familes or couples; average age 42 on Carnival, you do not have the same dinner mates every night unless you choose to (only about 25% of cruisers still want traditional dining) and you have several alternatives to the dining room every night on the vast majority of cruise ships.

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Honestly I've given a lot of thought to this over the past few days, and I think the problem with cruise industry bashing goes beyond media fear mongering and sensationalism. To my mind there is more to this story then the concept of it leads it bleeds. I think there are two other driving forces behind these negative headlines. The first force is wealth envy, and the second force is hatred of all thing cooperate in America.

Wealth envy is a huge problem in this country IMO. A lot of people who have never been on a cruise have this concept that it cost a vast amount of money to go cruising. They have this idea that only the wealthy go and that they enjoy an endless buffet of caviar, lobster and fillet mignon while enjoying the kind of personal service one sees in shows like Upstairs/downstairs from people that live in 3rd world countries that are virtual slaves being paid pennies a day. Even upper middle class types who have not cruised have this attitude sometimes, as I have met people who have vacationed in Vegas, Italy and Cancun that tell me, "oh we've never been on a cruise, we can't afford it." People are continually amazed when I tell them I have cruised for as little as a $1000 per person for a week (including EVERYTHING). Since so many think that only the wealthy cruise a lot of people look at cruise passenger as spoiled and lazy dilettantes enjoying a service that only a privileged minority receive that expends vast amounts of capital and resources that would be better served feeding the starving people around the world.

The other driving force behind this negativity is the constant railing against all things cooperate in America. From BP to GM to Carnival to Walmart, all modern multi-billion dollar companies are portrayed as vast soulless entities that rob their customers blind while providing a cheap shoddy product. They are all seen as treating their employees like disposable assets that they constantly grind up and replace and keep in a state of perpetual misery and abject poverty. According to many pundits they are all systematically raping the planet of it's natural resources, polluting the environment out of laziness and profiteering, and are all run by robber barons that stole lied and cheated their way to the top.

These stories of negativity about cruising, the auto industry, Walmart and others all read like they were written by Upton Sinclair, and all sound like a recitation of the Communist Manifesto. Death to the Aristocracy (the corporations) and the Bourgeois (the wealthy), long live the proletariat (the down trodden employees of the corporate America) seems to be the attitude of many in the media and in political circles. It is an idea that is now as anachronistic as a string quartet at tea time in the main lounge, or a stoke hold filled with hard working members of the black gang would be on a modern cruise liner.
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Good points.

I really agree with AshleeBelle, Linda, and Paul.

What Carnival did is very impressive. I think a lot or regular (and loyal) cruisers from other lines have also noted what Carnival did for it's pax as well and now want to give Carnival a try in the future.
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Ashlee...

Two weeks ago I might have disagreed with your class envy argument, because these days you really do see all kinds of economic and social stratae on cruises - but I just spent the last week moving an acquaintance who just lost her house to foreclosure, and she knows what I do for a living.

She is full of that class envy, anti-corporate mentality. IE: the bank "stole" her house, etc.

She actually said to me many times exactly what you just said, that cruises are for the wealthy elite who look down on third world people as peons, etc.

To be exact - what she was saying is that is what cruising used to be, but that she now believes it has changed and has become more affordable and accessible to "average" people.

What she does not get, however, is that average people make a living and can easily afford a cruise. My point is that it depends on your definition of "average American."

But I do agree with your point that the media is just a little too fast to exploit that class war mentality. These days it isn't "if it bleeds it ledes," it is more like "if it appeals to the lowest common denominator mentality it ledes."

(note: 'ledes" is the spelling newspapers use for headlines and opening paragraphs - I dunno why)
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What Carnival did is very impressive. I think a lot or regular (and loyal) cruisers from other lines have also noted what Carnival did for it's pax as well and now want to give Carnival a try in the future.

I absolutely fall in to that category. I've cruised with Royal, Celebrity and NCL (back before they were owned by Star and doing Freestyle). I've always shunned Carnival because first and foremost my grandmother who took me on my first 3 cruises had been on them once before and had a very negative opinion of her trip. That family personal opinion coupled with what I considered unattractive marine architecture, garish interior decorating, a too casual, party hearty atmosphere, a reputation for substandard food, and an over all bargain basement reputation (I free admit that these are all Carnival stereotypes and not necessarily true today, if they ever were), virtually guaranteed I wouldn't consider them for a cruise vacation.

My opinion of them has completely changed since witnessing the incident with Carnival Splendor. I had already been hearing that Carnival had improved their food. Their newer ships do look better in my eyes then the Holiday and Fantasy class ships of the 80s and 90s. And it seems they have done something to get the wild party atmosphere under control. When I add those facts in with the absolutely splendid way Carnival has handled this crisis, their excellent compensation package for the passengers involved, and the exceptionally fine treatment of the crew members who worked so very hard to make things better for the passengers, I absolutely would consider Carnival for my next cruise. They have shown me that they do care about their employees and passengers and are truly worthy of my vacation dollars. I say bravo to them!
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Ashleee...

Without a doubt we have been reporting for years that the old Carnival disappeared a long time ago.

yes, at one time they were the party cruise line, downtown vegas at sea.

They are very much a family cruise line now with excellent food (arguably best in the category) and great entertainment.

The interiors are still outlandish and maybe garish, but they are not cheap. If anything, they are like the new Vegas, on the strip, with a theme that they use to great detail to fill the ship with eye candy.

The service is the best, as you read. Their crews are the most outgoing and personable. You never get a cold feeling from them like you are just a number.

In fact, Carnival has one of the best employee retention rates and their crews are generally very happy workers, which leads to a happy ship. They really are the fun ships mostly because of the attitude of the crew.
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All I know is I was on Miracle the same week as the Splendor incident and I can't wait to go on our next cruise.

I own CCL stock as well and it's holding it's own. Still pretty close to it's 52-week high. Honestly, 98ish ships Carnival owns and how many cruises each year? Then there's one bad one? Pffffft! Even the media can't wreck Carnival's image and the media are becoming less respected everyday IMHO.

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You really have to read John Heald's (CD) blog about the fire and it's after effects.
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The only time he really sounds a bit exasperated is when he describes the 150 or passengers who march up to Guest Services to demand what compensation Carnival was going to give them. This happened while Engineering was still trying to control the smoke from this devastating fire and get systems working again... sheesh!
They should count their blessings that all the Carnival personnel worked so hard to save them, and then in the worst circumstances possible, still managed to come up with some food,drink and entertainment for them...
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Good points.

I really agree with AshleeBelle, Linda, and Paul.

What Carnival did is very impressive. I think a lot or regular (and loyal) cruisers from other lines have also noted what Carnival did for it's pax as well and now want to give Carnival a try in the future.
They went up several notches in my estimation when I saw what they had done for their passengers.
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I have only skimmed through the pictures, but I will say this...

1.) Looks like an incredible effort on the staff's part moving that food, getting it into the ship, and turning it into something, to me, looks pretty good considering the circumstances.

2.) You see the concern and stress on the faces of those on the bridge.

3.) As always, mad props to the miltary!

As far as those 150 people parading to guest services? I hope I never encounter them anywhere in my lifetime. Give me a break!

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Yes, John Heald's Blog is the best resource for hearing what this ordeal was really like.
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Ashlee...

Two weeks ago I might have disagreed with your class envy argument, because these days you really do see all kinds of economic and social stratae on cruises - but I just spent the last week moving an acquaintance who just lost her house to foreclosure, and she knows what I do for a living.

She is full of that class envy, anti-corporate mentality. IE: the bank "stole" her house, etc.

She actually said to me many times exactly what you just said, that cruises are for the wealthy elite who look down on third world people as peons, etc.

To be exact - what she was saying is that is what cruising used to be, but that she now believes it has changed and has become more affordable and accessible to "average" people.

What she does not get, however, is that average people make a living and can easily afford a cruise. My point is that it depends on your definition of "average American."

But I do agree with your point that the media is just a little too fast to exploit that class war mentality. These days it isn't "if it bleeds it ledes," it is more like "if it appeals to the lowest common denominator mentality it ledes."

(note: 'ledes" is the spelling newspapers use for headlines and opening paragraphs - I dunno why)
Paul,

I'm not happy you had to spend time listening to a friend rail against the inequities of life, but I am glad you got a chance to see first hand what I'm talking about. I myself see that type of behavior almost every day in a multitude of places. Here is the link to an article from the Huffington Post that does a fabulous job of expounding upon the attitude I'm talking about.

John Feffer: Cruising for a Bruising

Here not only have they made the Splendor incident and the cruise industy as a whole, in to a giant target for wealth envy, but have taken it beyond that simple concept an turned it into a metaphor for the decadence, privilege, indifference to suffering, and resource squandering of all of Western Civilization, and also suggest it is an omen for the collapse of our entire over privileged wasteful way of life.

The ironic thing to me about such articles is that they are usually written, produced and published by people who make many thousands, tens of thousands or even hundreds of thousands more dollars in a year then I have ever made. Yet because I managed to prioritize, budget, save and scrimp elsewhere to enjoy a week of relaxation aboard ship I am now considered part of the bourgeois elite that live a life of decadence at the expense of starving children around the world. The arrogance and hypocrisy of such limousine riding social critics never ceases to amaze me.
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EXACTLY!

I'm reminded of a real life experience I had before I even had a driver's licence...

I have been in two vehicle accidents with moose, 13 months apart, as a passenger both times before I had a licence to drive. It has ruined me for driving at night and I avoid it if I can, but my father said...

"You can't stay home because there are moose in the woods."

Same thing.

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