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Old July 7th, 2011, 10:52 AM
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Perhaps it is accurate...but I do not buy everything that John Heald shares..... he is nothing more than a spokesperson and cheerleader at best for CCL and provides info as told to by his bosses.
CCL is motivated by the bottom line. Whether you or anyone else believes the CCL numbers or not is irrelevant. The guestimates by smokers as to numbers and spending are clearly inaccurate.

As to enforcement, time will tell. On Magic, a gentleman fired up a cigar in the casino and was told politely, but firmly, to extinguish it.
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Old July 7th, 2011, 11:19 AM
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I think the new rules are ok and being a smoker, I don't have a problem with them.

Just upsets me when they enforce them but other rules they don't, like the dress code in MDR or allowing young children to run wild and parents have not idea where their children are.

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CCL is motivated by the bottom line. Whether you or anyone else believes the CCL numbers or not is irrelevant. The guestimates by smokers as to numbers and spending are clearly inaccurate.

As to enforcement, time will tell. On Magic, a gentleman fired up a cigar in the casino and was told politely, but firmly, to extinguish it.
I'll tell you a little story about enforcement. Awhile back I was on a Carnival cruise, and John Heald was CD.

I met a couple in the casino playing Blackjack. They got into a fight and left the casino. The next day I saw the lady, obviously physically beaten, and she told me her husband had done it, and security had taken him away.

I asked John about the situation and he told me the husband had been put off in port that day.

The only problem was I saw the guy the next day wandering the ship. Turns out they had just put him in his own cabin. He wasn't put off the ship, or held to be charged with anything.

Enforcement for any of their rules and regulations on ships is strictly on a whim.
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Kuki, nice write up, "Donít Smoke Em, If You Got Em"

Like I have mentioned several times on this topic, I personally do not have a problem with the cruise lines or other places having rules on where you can and cannot smoke.

The problem I have with people that are so direct and anti smokers and yes we both have rights. So with that being said, then why not try to please all, which I feel the cruise lines are trying to do. For me to be in an area where smoking is allowed and some non-smoker glares at you or ask that you put out your cig out. Will now you have crossed the line.

I watch the local and national news every night and I am getting so fed up with our rights being taken away by local, state and government!!! Right to bear arms, must wear helmet when I am riding my Harley, etc etc. Don't get me started! What happened to "Freedom of Choice" ??

I have a few drinks a year and I hate to see a drunk and how many are killed by someone driving that has been drinking? Do we band booze?

Ok, I am off my soap box now.

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Perhaps it is accurate...but I do not buy everything that John Heald shares..... he is nothing more than a spokesperson and cheerleader at best for CCL and provides info as told to by his bosses.

I have searched and searched John's Blog...so it must have been Facebook.

It wasn't so much a statement from John as it was a note from Corporate (if I am remembering correctly).

I do remember commenting that this fact jived with what several bar waiters had told me when I asked them which venue they preferred to work...it was always karaoke because that is where they got the most tips.

Seems the piano bar is their second choice....but it is only second because it truly depends on how good the piano bar ENTERTAINER is.

The entertainer determines the crowd.....which determines their tips.

Seems that karaoke is a "sure thing".... lol
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Kuki, nice write up, "Donít Smoke Em, If You Got Em"

Like I have mentioned several times on this topic, I personally do not have a problem with the cruise lines or other places having rules on where you can and cannot smoke.

The problem I have with people that are so direct and anti smokers and yes we both have rights. So with that being said, then why not try to please all, which I feel the cruise lines are trying to do. For me to be in an area where smoking is allowed and some non-smoker glares at you or ask that you put out your cig out. Will now you have crossed the line.

I watch the local and national news every night and I am getting so fed up with our rights being taken away by local, state and government!!! Right to bear arms, must wear helmet when I am riding my Harley, etc etc. Don't get me started! What happened to "Freedom of Choice" ??

I have a few drinks a year and I hate to see a drunk and how many are killed by someone driving that has been drinking? Do we band booze?

Ok, I am off my soap box now.

America, wake up before it's too late!!
Not to put to fine a point on it...but smoking is not now (and never has been) a "right". Smoking is only a privilege. (just like drinking)

And as a privilege it comes with the responsibility not to harm another human being (just like drinking).

No one has the "right" to harm another human being.
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Not to put to fine a point on it...but smoking is not now (and never has been) a "right". Smoking is only a privilege. (just like drinking)
PLEASE show me some documentation that says that.

We could debate this till domes day but it is non-productive, IMO. You have your rights or MAYBE your privilege to think the way you do and that's fine. Everyone has their own opinion.

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No one has the "right" to harm another human being.
Think what your saying, that also could be debated but won't go there.
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I'll tell you a little story about enforcement. Awhile back I was on a Carnival cruise, and John Heald was CD.

I met a couple in the casino playing Blackjack. They got into a fight and left the casino. The next day I saw the lady, obviously physically beaten, and she told me her husband had done it, and security had taken him away.

I asked John about the situation and he told me the husband had been put off in port that day.

The only problem was I saw the guy the next day wandering the ship. Turns out they had just put him in his own cabin. He wasn't put off the ship, or held to be charged with anything.

Enforcement for any of their rules and regulations on ships is strictly on a whim.
As I wrote in my blog Cruisemates Blog Donít Smoke Em, If You Got Em Ė Kuki

establishing new smoking policies, and enforcing them, are done because it is now very socially acceptable, and supported. It's this decade's "cause", both on land and at sea.
It may be on a whim, but only until the first lawsuit. As for cruise directors, they are part of the entertainment staff and I guess I'll leave it at that.

Carnival added the smoking rules to the cruise contract and if they fail to enforce, I think they have opened themselves up for legal action by the majority of cruisers - non-smokers.

There is no right to smoke, but it does remain legal. Why? Big money and corrupt governments. Big money from tobacco lobbies and big money from taxes on tobacco.

You can't solve all the social issues at the same time, you need to handle them individually.
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