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Snoozeman September 25th, 2011 08:17 AM

CONQUEST LATE - man jumps from ship
 
We have a jumper--the Conquest may be late arriving back to Galveston this morning. It wasn't there as of this posting and usually is docked about 7:00 am..

Man missing after jumping off Carnival cruise ship | abc13.com

sweetlissa September 25th, 2011 08:31 AM

So sad. :(

creativedisco September 25th, 2011 09:12 AM

That's odd behavior. I wonder if this would indicate a suicide attempt or if he was just really drunk. Does this happen often? ("Often" in this case being a relative term. Obviously it doesn't happen every cruise but maybe once a year or something)

Mike M September 25th, 2011 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by creativedisco (Post 1394157)
That's odd behavior. I wonder if this would indicate a suicide attempt or if he was just really drunk. Does this happen often? ("Often" in this case being a relative term. Obviously it doesn't happen every cruise but maybe once a year or something)

It "seems" that it is happening more often than it once did but that is a perception and, off the top of my head, I can't back it up with any facts. There are many more cruisers and cruise ships than there were ten years ago so the number of incidents has increased.

I don't think anyone has ever "fallen" off a cruise ship. They may have fallen because they did something stupid like climbing up on the railing to get a better view; climb from one balcony to another; doing something stupid when drunk or just decided to commit suicide. It seems that you hear about this three or four times a year.

If you don't do anything stupid or jump off the ship then you'll be fine.

Take care,
Mike

Phil&Liz September 25th, 2011 09:33 AM

Looks like some special event at Harbor House. Usually that area has folks watching the ship come in.

creativedisco September 25th, 2011 09:41 AM

Yeah, I'm sure there's ample safeguards to prevent someone unintentionally doing that. Human behavior fascinates me, though, and I wonder why someone would choose to do that. Maybe he just didn't want to go home.

Snoozeman September 25th, 2011 09:46 AM

Looks like she's headed in now, should be in camera view by 9:00 - 9:30 am.

They had a jumper on Conquest a few years ago, she didn't make the water, but was killed when she hit a lower deck.

Phil&Liz September 25th, 2011 10:00 AM

There she comes just a sailing in the ship channel ! 9am local time.

Phil&Liz September 25th, 2011 10:14 AM

Shes pulling in facing forward...I seem to recall she makes a uturn and backs in..
http://www.cruisemates.com/forum/mem...4-conquest.jpg

Cruznut2 September 25th, 2011 12:09 PM

So sad, My heart breaks for the loved ones of this person. Prayers going up for them.

Laura

ninamarie September 25th, 2011 03:28 PM

well i was on that ship that night and the captain had said that a person had gotten sick and was needing medical assistance..so we were already one and half hours out from cozumel..and we stopped and turned around and headed back and the tender boat was there and got the person off and the captain had asked that we all pray for this person complete recovery...later on that evening the captain got on and said it was a successful delivery ...the next day (saturday) the captain got on and said that we all should continue praying for this person and that we were going to be two or so hours late coming into galveston...later on people were saying it was a male and that he had a mini stroke a couple of weeks earlier and then had another stroke that day after getting back from cozumel. Sunday, we all heard that the man was flown into galveston to be with his family...two different stories...

johnthed0g September 25th, 2011 03:55 PM

We had one on a P&O ship, coming into Southampton very slow & under the pilot, dead calm.....she was recovered within the hour ...Dead.
Inquest said "injuries consistent with a fall of 80 feet into water." Very sad, they say she fell but not how...

Snoozeman September 25th, 2011 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by ninamarie (Post 1394238)
well i was on that ship that night and the captain had said that a person had gotten sick and was needing medical assistance..so we were already one and half hours out from cozumel..and we stopped and turned around and headed back and the tender boat was there and got the person off and the captain had asked that we all pray for this person complete recovery...later on that evening the captain got on and said it was a successful delivery ...the next day (saturday) the captain got on and said that we all should continue praying for this person and that we were going to be two or so hours late coming into galveston...later on people were saying it was a male and that he had a mini stroke a couple of weeks earlier and then had another stroke that day after getting back from cozumel. Sunday, we all heard that the man was flown into galveston to be with his family...two different stories...

This is NOT the same event.

cherylroy September 25th, 2011 06:08 PM

You know - when I'm on a cruise ship, I always get balconies. You cannot fall off of them accidently. I look out into the deep blue dark sea at night and wonder to myself what someone must feel like to 'jump' into the darkness. OMG - I would be so scared! I think of the movie "open water" - I have been depressed before - but never to the extent of wanting to kill myself. Think of it tho - its an easy way to do it if one wanted. Out in the middle of no where if your alone, you could jump and if no one sees your a gone pecan until someone realizes you are gone. I can see why it is becoming more common as it is 'easy' Sad, but true. I pray for the families these people leave behind and more so for the individual who feels they need to take their own life

Trip September 25th, 2011 07:15 PM

I found this info..there have been a total of 168 overboards from 2000 -2010. Here are some of the major lines. Sad the count is that high.

Carnival 43
RCI 24
NCL 14
Princess 9
Celebrity 8
HAL 7

Donna September 25th, 2011 07:46 PM

Wow Trip,
Those are very high numbers, at least it seems so to me....I am sure we don't hear about every one...Thanks for the info.

Master Chief September 25th, 2011 07:56 PM

While I would never ever condone jumping overboard, no matter what the circumstances, I do wonder what the percentage of jumpers is to the total passengers carried in that 10 year period? While again 1 jumper is one to many, perhaps if the 2 figures were compared side by side, they wouldn't seem quite that bad. JMHO. And were any of those jumpers rescued? Not being picky here, and especially not picking on Trip, maybe the figures are not as bad as they seem?

Trip September 25th, 2011 08:11 PM

I think we as cruise lovers look at these numbers, and, think how sad, and, so many lives lost. But I do think you are right, when you think of the millions of cruisers, who sailed during this time frame, vs the total number, above.

Do you remember the man who fell off the ship in San Juan harbor and swam back into port? He was drunk,and probably that had all to do with his surviving. There was another young man, who jumped through a window, I think?? That was just a couple of years ago. These 2 people were so fortunate.

Snoozeman September 25th, 2011 08:41 PM

Hmmmm...so it looks like one a month on average.

ninamarie September 25th, 2011 10:49 PM

Exactly one week later...I just researched it..both stories have a lot of similarities...I stand corrected...very horrible situation..hope the family find some closure...

Kuki September 26th, 2011 12:00 AM

I'm not certain where Trip got the figures she posted, but assuming they are correct.... in that decade somewhere in the neighborhood of 9 -12 MILLION people cruised.

It's very sad for all the families of those who died, but I'd bet the average suicide rate in a population of 100 million, would have a much higher suicide rate.

Donna September 26th, 2011 06:38 AM

I think our main question here, is why on a cruise ship, vacation and while hopefully having a lot of fun? Just seems strange to me.

colorcrazie September 26th, 2011 02:27 PM

How in the world could someone jump out a window on a cruise ship? I have never seen a window that opened?
And I don't think that being on a vacation would keep someone who is suicidal from jumping. Seems like a very scary way to go, but it would be quick. But what it would do to surviving loved ones is horrifying, since the body would probably never be found.
OH dear, I need to go find a happier thread!!!!
Marty

Paul Motter September 26th, 2011 03:14 PM

Kuki... about 12,000,000 cruises are taken every YEAR from the US, so in a decade it is 10-times that figure.

I have done EXTENSIVE research on this topic. Most people who jump do it to commit suicide. In fact, something like 1 in 20 suicide attempts fail. However, jumping from a cruise ship is a very easy and sure way to do it and not fail. Also - vastly relevent is that the availability of a means to commit suicide makes it five times more likely for an attempt to be made (suicidal people should not keep handguns). This means that when suicidal people take a cruise the thoughts creep up and it is just too easy for them to give in.

The vast majority of "jumpers" are never recovered, because with even the slightest chop in the sea you cannot see a person in the water - they just don't stand out at all. The ones who are recovered were usually very drunk when they went over, and they say they don't remember how it happened. See, all it takes is a momentary split decision to make the irreversable act. I also believe that is why cruise ship suicides almost never leave notes - because they don't plan it out, they see the power of the sea and their thoughts get the best of them. They just do it.

Golden Gate jumpers don't leave notes either.

People who do this tend to be either elderly, depressed or young adults. The first two categories want to end their lives, (and it usually appears more planned out) but I have a gut feeling the young adults who do it act impulsively, actually thinking they will survive. They really don't understand how dangerous it is.

I think they believe the landing will be soft, and that they may see land and believe it is closer than it looks.

Trip September 26th, 2011 05:41 PM

Marty, it took me a while to find it, but, from Events at Sea: Carnival Glory, 3/07

A 35 year old man was rescued approximately eight hours after jumping or falling overboard from the ship when it was 30 miles east of Fort Lauderdale. A witness said that the man, who was intoxicated, ran through a window and then fell 60 feet into the ocean -- it is not clear whether the window was open at the time. The ship was en route to Nassau and will arrive slightly behind schedule.





Paul Motter September 26th, 2011 06:22 PM

The case of a man jumping throgh a window? I remember it well. He had an argument with his younger male companion, and being slightly intoxicated, decided he would do something crazy - so he literally ran and dived through the glass on the balcony railing.

I have no idea how he even lived through that, but he did.

Trip September 26th, 2011 06:26 PM

Paul, you remembered more than I did...


Orlandoan survives fall from cruise ship - Orlando Sentinel

I saw Anne C..posted this on Facebook...!! oy!

http://weeklyworldnews.com/headlines...ip-passengers/

Phil&Liz September 26th, 2011 07:47 PM

Any thoughts on why Conquest pulled in facing forward?

armydillar September 26th, 2011 08:40 PM

To get a bunch of grumpy passengers off as soon as possible?

On the suicide issue, alcohol and suicide are frequent companions.
I was on board the Conquest last week. There were rumours everywhere about what happened and the only common denominator was alcohol. I do not know that alcohol was involved for a fact.
(I no longer drink but I have had my share of alcohol influenced bad choices and am very grateful I lived through them.)
Our Captain, besides announcements of the event, also had a letter placed under our door on Saturday morning to the effect that the passenger went overboard and was still missing and the Mexican coastgard was involved in the search. Please keep him and his family in our thoughts and prayers. We did pray for him and them immediately.

Snoozeman September 26th, 2011 09:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phil&Liz (Post 1394450)
Any thoughts on why Conquest pulled in facing forward?

It does on occasion for various reasons. I suspect this time it was to inspect sometime on the port side, I saw a boom crane in one of the news reports.

colorcrazie September 27th, 2011 03:50 PM

WOW! He went through a window?!? And survived? That was one crazy, but lucky fellow.
Thanks for the info, however wierd it seems to me.:shock:
Marty

Trip September 27th, 2011 03:53 PM

Marty, it wasn't a cabin window, it was a window "of sorts" on an upper deck, if memory serves...no matter how, he was a fool for sure..he lucked out!

cherylroy September 27th, 2011 07:49 PM

Not suicide - but I have always told my family to save funeral expenses. Do what I want - and that is to be cremated and throw me over the balcony --- dust that is. Into the deep blue sea I will be happy (when the good Lord wants to take me that is). ;)

Trip September 27th, 2011 07:55 PM

Every balcony on your route to the sea, would be sprinkled with a bit of you! Anyone sitting and enjoying the view, will, with the wind, get a surprise....!

Don't think it would be allowed on any line...Maybe a yacht somewhere, many, many, years from now:)

cherylroy September 27th, 2011 08:22 PM

OH I know! But would be nice ;);)

Snoozeman September 28th, 2011 10:36 AM

Actually it can be done from a cruise ship. Not over the side from your own balcony, but a small formal service and ashed distributed from the aft. More common than you know.

colorcrazie September 28th, 2011 02:50 PM

Living very close to the Gulf of Mexico, there is a local company that has permission from EPA, etc. to distribute ashes at sea. A small ship, not cruise size, but they do a memorial service at sea. Very expensive, I've been told. Our family tradition is to donate our bodies to science, as a last opportunity to give back to the world. But, if it weren't for that, I would definitely like to be sprinkled on the water!
Marty

cherylroy September 29th, 2011 09:51 PM

I totally agree - being in the medical field - donate your body to science!!! Wouldn't pay for memorial at sea -- but one ash at a time you can throw...(just kidding). I did do something YEARS ago that probably shouldn't have been done. My dad died and the only state he had not been was alaska. My husband and I were taking our 25th anniversary cruise to alaska (2 years planning) and I wanted to cancel because of his death (he died like 6 or 7 weeks before we left). My kids insisted we go, so we did and had a good time (have since been back to find out what I missed). It was a wonderful cruise as it was my healing - not the party carribbean style of cruising if you know what I mean. Anyway - going down Alaska waters, I brought a hat of dads, kissed it and threw it over (sorry). He now has been to every state. As far as his ashes - they are in a beautiful marble urn - watching over us in my living room. I know TMI! And he is the first thing I take when we evacuate for a hurricane!!!

Manny21 October 4th, 2011 10:38 PM

It was sad, mostly because I was there, this was my first time being on a cruise and just leaving Cozumel this guy jumps off the ship with so many people seeing him jump and fall like in a canon style and some saw him floating but by the time the ship crew knew they threw out the Distress Beacon late like 6 minutes late the guy jumped by the Old PIER in Cozumel where Conquest use to docked but Crew and some securities didn't believe some of the passengers who literally saw the jump fall in front of there faces! Some ladies crying and begging the security and crew to take the ship more back because they were looking at the wrong place! Man the cruise was fun but that tragedy killed our fun most of people jumped out and didn't eat that night it was bad and sad! And the most sad i have that guy on a video i have i saw a picture of him on a news channel and i saw the video it was HIM! And he was having fun! Either he was drunk or the wife did something to cause him to jump!

And like i mentioned i was on the Carnival Conquest when it happened!

Trip October 4th, 2011 11:03 PM

Manny, thanks for posting,and your insight into this tragedy. Honestly, I cannot imagine witnessing someone going overboard:( While on the Magic, we had an overboard call, but, thankfully, the man was found in the casino!!


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