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Now that Carnival has two ships in New Orleans do you think they can fill them? I really have my doubts. I love NOLA and in fact I'm planning on a group cruise from there in 2013, but I'm not sure if there will still be two Carnival ships there at that time. I just don't see how NOLA can sustain that many ships. (The Voyager of the Seas and NCL also sail from there) Swami says there will only be one Carnival ship to choose from in fall of 2013.
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If priced right.... CCL will be able to keep 2 ships filled !

West Coasters will love it... Florida Panhandle folks will love it... Texans will love it..... the driving possibilities will outweigh flight costs for many and have an affect on cruises booked.

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I think west coasters would fly right over NOLA, to Miami, or, Fll to cruise.
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If they price it low in order to fill them, they will lose money and they will move them for sure. They already have a sale for the Conquest and they never had a discounted fare on her out of Galveston. I bet we see some bargains out of NOLA very soon.
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I think west coasters would fly right over NOLA, to Miami, or, Fll to cruise.
Trip.. I have no idea why you'd think that.

NOLA is an attraction on it's own. What I couldn't imagine many doing, is to sail from NOLA without doing a pre or post cruise visit.

I think Galveston cruises are a different thing; kind of unique to Texas, in that most of those sailing from there are Texans, and Texans who'd sail the same ship or ships over and over again on the same itinerary, just for the convenience.

I don't think LA residents are quite that devoted to cruising. Plus winter sailings out of NOLA can face some fairly cool temps.

Still, to cruisers from other states I do think NOLA has a special charm and attraction. Whether it's enough to fill 2 ships, who knows?

I do remember when Carnival sailed an itinerary that included NOLA and Tampa Bay. You could board in Tampa and have NOLA as a port of call. Or you could board in NOLA and have Tampa as a port of call. Something like that might make it work for Carnival.
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I saw a price on conquest like $239 for 7 days early Dec and couldnt believe my eyes.

I thought the same thing, they are having trouble filling these ships.

Thats a 5 day price, not a 7 day price for conquest.
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NOLA is a great city to visit and I definitely find it more enjoyable than Miami. Bayside Market is a strip mall compared to the French Quarter. There is also far more history and beautiful architecture in NOLA.

Now Galveston is a different story. It is a port for Texans and I wouldn't have too much of an inclination to cruise out of Galveston unless it was a group cruise or I cruise with my brother who lives in Dallas.

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I saw a price on conquest like $239 for 7 days early Dec and couldnt believe my eyes.

I thought the same thing, they are having trouble filling these ships.

Thats a 5 day price, not a 7 day price for conquest.
Exactly, they can't sustain that and be successful.

I'm estimating that they have to fill 5,000+ cabins a week. That's 1,000 more than Galveston with a much much much smaller population base.
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...I think Galveston cruises are a different thing; kind of unique to Texas, in that most of those sailing from there are Texans, and Texans who'd sail the same ship or ships over and over again on the same itinerary, just for the convenience....
That pretty much pegs me, being from Texas. To me its about the getaway with no flight hassle and packing worries. Don't care as much about what ports I visit (seen most multiple times). They could sail the ship around in circles for all I care. If I drive to a cruise, it will be the shorter run to Galveston, definitely not NOLA. If I fly I'm going to Florida or the west coast for an occasional different itenerary.

For what its worth, been to NOLA many times for work and liesure, and even have close relatives there. In my opinion its WAY OVER-RATED as a destination. I know there's great food and old history to enjoy, but there is a VERY seedy side to it that turns me off. Maybe my ties there allow me to see a side the typical tourist is not exposed to, and I'm jaded.

Didn't intend this to turn into a Rant. Even edited out a section that was pretty harsh. I do agree with my fellow Texan Snoozeman. Carnival has to many bunks to fill there and will end up relocating one of their ships.
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Some random and rambling thoughts...

New Orleans is finally back to the pre-K number of cruise ships. NCL is pulling back to only seasonally cruising from the city, which leaves Carnival as the only game in town for months at a time, including the busy summer season.

More and more people are driving to cruises these days. A lot of passengers out of New Orleans are driving from Houston and Dallas. They are not locked into Galveston.

Since Carnival pulled out of Mobile, there is that drive-in market available and New Orleans is closer than Galveston.

Given the population of the Houston area, and Dallas just a few hours farther away, I have always thought that Galveston was a disappointment for cruise lines. Millions upon millions of people and the cruise lines can't get them to cruise.

If Magic continues to have thruster issues, I think more and more biz might switch to New Orleans. Also, some reviews have been less than stellar about Magic, even though we loved the ship. I think that could also drive some biz away.

The instability in the economy can't last forever, but even if it does, people will adjust for it and then things will pick up again.

I know that personally, we plan on cruising out of New Orleans more in the future - especially with Carnival - and looking forward to Conquest getting the 2.0 upgrades next fall. 2.0 should increase demand and I know Carnival is hoping it will allow for higher prices.

I would be shocked if Carnival's costs for cruising from New Orleans aren't lower than those for Galveston. Who knows how passenger spending once onboard compares between the two ports?
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Good points Bill. I will certainly take advantage of some of those bargains from NOLA. I'd prefer the Conquest at a fair price over the Magic at an inflated price. Besides, I could eat at Mother's.
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The prices next summer are pretty high, and I know lots of people personally in my area (Alabama) and where mine and my husband's families live (Mississippi and Louisiana) who are booking or planning to book cruises out of NOLA. We'll see, but I think it is a great and refreshing destination that I think cruisers will connect to.

Sailing out of there in 2 days and again next Sat! Can't wait. Follow the hashtag #NOLACruize for live tweets and pics.
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Kuki, I stand by my opinion, and it is just that.....Florida has the newest and the biggest ships, and more options, to my mind, for pre /post cruising. Key West to Orlando makes for nice add-ons
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[QUOTE=zydecocruiser;1404866]Some random and rambling thoughts...

New Orleans is finally back to the pre-K number of cruise ships.
Yes but is their economy/personal incomes back to that level? Has the average household income changed for the better yet?

More and more people are driving to cruises these days. A lot of passengers out of New Orleans are driving from Houston and Dallas. They are not locked into Galveston.

Since Carnival pulled out of Mobile, there is that drive-in market available and New Orleans is closer than Galveston.

Good points there.

Given the population of the Houston area, and Dallas just a few hours farther away, I have always thought that Galveston was a disappointment for cruise lines. Millions upon millions of people and the cruise lines can't get them to cruise.

I personally blame the local gov'ts for not providing better transit options for getting to the island. If the local airport would expand to allow Southwest to fly in or if instead of freeways they built a rail system that brought you from Hobby down to the island they would get more folks easier. Btw, the website for the airport brags that their runway can handle 747's.

I know that personally, we plan on cruising out of New Orleans more in the future - especially with Carnival - and looking forward to Conquest getting the 2.0 upgrades next fall. 2.0 should increase demand and I know Carnival is hoping it will allow for higher prices.

This alone would bring us to sail Conquest again !
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Something I noticed in this thread was how it seems we believe folks will travel from nearby states to sail from NOLA but "Galveston is for Texans or only Texans sail out of Galveston".

It is often written elsewhere about "those rude Texans that sail out of Galveston. I won't ever sail from there again!!". If it were only Texans onboard, are you degrading yourself included or how the heck did you get on the ship if you're not from Texas?

I think its time for some facts from the cruiselines on the demographics for those sailing from NOLA and Galveston.

On JH's blog he would list the passengers country of origin for a particular sailing. Funny how many countries were represented in the numbers yet his avid readers are some of the ones claiming these rude Texas passengers.

I shall venture a request to JH about the demographis (like he did for the Med cruises) on the sailings from NOLA and Galveston so that we can see just how factual these claims are.
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New Orleans is finally back to the pre-K number of cruise ships.
Yes but is their economy/personal incomes back to that level? Has the average household income changed for the better yet?

I don't think that was ever an issue. The people driven out by K were low to middle class - working class folks. The professionals and other affluent had houses on higher ground. If anything, the avg per capita income went up. Post-K, for a while, as people returned home, New Orleans was the fastest growing city in the country.

There were a lot of misconceptions about the city, which even Carnival acknowledged. Much of it generated by incompetent media who only cares about selling advertising.

For a few years there have been more restaurants in the city than pre-K, more hotels, and New Orleans has recaptured much of the convention business that was poached by other cities. Even the Superbowl will be back in New Orleans after Indianapolis.

I don't think Carnival is stupid enough to randomly place ships hoping things work out. They must have gotten whatever deal they wanted and expect to make money.

Given the population of the Houston area, and Dallas just a few hours farther away, I have always thought that Galveston was a disappointment for cruise lines. Millions upon millions of people and the cruise lines can't get them to cruise.

I personally blame the local gov'ts for not providing better transit options for getting to the island. If the local airport would expand to allow Southwest to fly in or if instead of freeways they built a rail system that brought you from Hobby down to the island they would get more folks easier. Btw, the website for the airport brags that their runway can handle 747's.

For some time, New Orleans has been renovating their airport and has now started some major renovations. Not having an international airport is one of the reason Mobile lost their ship, IMO.
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Something I noticed in this thread was how it seems we believe folks will travel from nearby states to sail from NOLA but "Galveston is for Texans or only Texans sail out of Galveston".

It is often written elsewhere about "those rude Texans that sail out of Galveston. I won't ever sail from there again!!". .
I dont think Iv ever read that about rude Texans .. wierd. I always hear how friendly Texans are. My roll calls with mostly Texans feel like home vs. say my Oasis roll call where people were from all over the place and it didnt feel that friendly. Where have you hear this?? Seriously, Iv never hear that even once.

I also find on Texas roll calls the same people, many of whom I am friendly with. The Triumph in Nov I signed up for because there were friends on it from other cruises that I meet with for lunch in Dallas multiple times a year. one gal turned out to be the daughter of a friend of my Dad's and both dad's play pool every friday. I love going out of Texas and never crossed my mind people think Texans are rude.

Very strange to me that that is how you perceive us. :neutral:

I do think its harder/well more expensive to get from the Houston airport to Galveston .. but the hotels in Galveston are much cheaper than NOLAs and there is a beach there. I will switch things up and go out of NOLA for the right price, and think NOLA is cheaper by and large because people love going out of Galveston so much.
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They have been having those kind of prices on the Triumph the last couple of years...we've taken advantage of it 4 times over the last year and a half. New Orleans is 150 miles further than Galveston from my house and hating to drive through Houston along with the lower rates and cheap casino hotels along the way make it worth the extra drive and time to me. Made an exception recently to sail on the Magic...embark and disembark have improved remarkably in Galveston, but the ship did not live up to expectations...looking forward to cheap cruises on the Conquest.
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I dont think Iv ever read that about rude Texans .. wierd.
Very strange to me that that is how you perceive us. :neutral:
The impression is not ours, we are not perceiving you. One look at our location above shows this for craps sake. We are in Houston TEXAS!

There have been frequent posts to JH blog/FB page about how they dislike sailing from Galveston because of the impression they have of those on the ship---and that because it sails from Texas ther must be Texans on the ship so it must be Texans that are rude. It is that ignorance being posted and then believed by others that maybe they should not sail from Galveston too that can affect a market.

It was well documented that the Med sailings for Magic were cursed by " the Russians!" . It gave the impression that all Russians behave that way which is not the case.

Folks are traveling from all points to sail a ship, not just locally. Some will travel to other ports to get a change in iten. If NOLA cannot sustain a market for 2 ships, was it because of the ship, the crew, or the impressions people have-valid or not-and the spreading of those impressions-valid or not.

I personally love NOLA. I have always had a great time in NOLA. It is a bit of a drive to get there from here but its worth it. Galveston has its appeal. There are many things to do there. There are many things to do in many US ports. Perhpas some don't look hard enough and just presume its a sucky port.
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Not having an international airport is one of the reason Mobile lost their ship, IMO.
Don't think Galveston is in trouble like that...yet. But they should take note of that and expand the Galveston airport or run rail from Hobby to Galveston.
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Don't think Galveston is in trouble like that...yet. But they should take note of that and expand the Galveston airport or run rail from Hobby to Galveston.
Rail sounds interesting. I think improvements in rental car options and availability would really be great. They used to be better.
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It was well documented that the Med sailings for Magic were cursed by " the Russians!" . It gave the impression that all Russians behave that way which is not the case.
Well... I'm still trying to figure out what the heck happened to Magic between our b2b cruise on the first two sailings of the ship and when it arrived in Galveston. Even if I wanted to, I don't think I could blame that on Texas or Texans.

Also not sure about Russians.

Yes, there were some obnoxious Russians on our cruises, but there were also some awesome ones, including a young lady and her precious daughter who joined our table after a couple of days into the May 1st cruise. They were both extremely well mannered and polite. The mother spoke perfect English - I think the daughter could, but preferred to let her mother interpret.





but I digress. I'm looking forward to trying the Magic out of Galveston - inflated price or not - to see what has changed, and other reasons.

Other than that, no, I don't have any reason to cruise from Galveston - especially when New Orleans is my preferred port, and if less expensive than other options, bonus for me!
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{and speaking of obnoxious Russians, I think there were probably at least the same number, if not more, obnoxious and/or ugly Americans on the ship, IMO}
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Hmmmm Da !



And yes obnoxious Americans would be a better way to describe what one encounters, regardless of the port....course there are a few Canadians that sail, too, but my experience has always been great with Canadians.
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I rarely read John's blog, not a fan of his. If he is the only source of the rumor about Texans being rude .. more reason not to read it. .. though I am surprised to hear he would post in public such things. Just makes hard feelings.
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It's usually Yankees who write to his blog that complain, but they are assuming that it's Texans that they are complaining about and usually it turns out that the are NOT from Texas. John defends the Texans since he has first hand experience. Crew love Texans. Texans are (in general) friendly and tip well.

Hopefully I will be able to take advantage of the good fares from NOLA soon.
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It was tough for this Bostonian to get to Texas, to host the Conquest cruise in 07. You know that old saying, you can't get there from here, well, it was almost true....once you are there. you're really not, but, the effort you put forth is returned to you ten fold, as the Texan hospitality wrapped it's arms around me.

I met a wonderful group of locals, dined with a group of people that welcomed us to their table after ours fell apart..[don't ask] and one of my tablemates graciously presented me with a handmade wooden specialty, he is known for making. A total stranger, a friend od Darlene's drove us to the airport, how friendly is that!

Pidgeon holing an entire group, has got us into trouble, as history is witness to. I for one, was welcomed to the Lone Star State, with open arms.....thank you!
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Well Ladies and Gents, I took advantage of some of that obscenely low pricing and booked and inside guarantee for our family of four out of NOLA on the Conquest. It was an Indiana resident special, I just happened to stumble on back in October. Many of you know I love to cruise out of New Orleans. It is one of my favorite port cities. I am so happy and thrilled to see Carnival with 2 ships there. I worry less about Carnival filling their 2 ships and more about NCL and RCCL as their pricing seems to be very high in comparison to Carnival.

I feel as though I got the bargain of the century. It was $1,300 for the 4 of us including all taxes, port charges etc... for a 7 day cruise that's less than $50 a day. At this point all the inside cabins are sold out, as for quads there are only 8 Oceanview, 7 Balconies and 2 Grand Suites left. So an upgrade of some kind is inevitable it would appear. I have booked guarantees several times in the past, but never have I seen them wait this long to assign a cabin... I know it happens, just usually not to me lol.

We still have 3 weeks til we sail, but I would not be the least bit surprised to see the ship sell out. This should be interesting to see where we wind up. The suspense is killing me lol.
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Wow, congratulations. That sounds wonderful.

I think your right about RCL...I bet they are the first out. Might as well take advantage of the pricing while you can!!
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As I recall there were 4 ships in NOLA prior to Katrina. At least half the year anyway. NCL Had the Spirit and the Dawn I think. RCCL had a ship there (can't recall which one though) and Carnival had the Sensation. So I don't think it is that far out there, but based on the economy, there may be at least one too many and since RCCL was the last line to bring a ship to NOLA after Katrina... I feel it only fitting they should be the first one out.:evil::evil::evil:
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