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Beau222 February 24th, 2012 08:57 PM

22 Passengers Robbed on Excursion
 
Twenty-two passengers on Carnival Splendor were robbed at gunpoint Thursday while on a ship-sponsored tour in Puerto Vallarta, Mexico.
At least one Mexican media outlet said the passengers were returning by bus to their ship at approximately 5 p.m. after spending time in El Nogalito, a tourist area known for its lush natural setting. Masked assailants stopped the bus and robbed the cruisers of their money, watches, cameras and other valuables.
There were no injuries and all passengers were returned safely to the ship, Carnival said in a statement. Numerous authorities were notified and responded to investigate, as well as assist the affected passengers, Carnival said.
Carnival also apologized to the passengers for the "unfortunate and disturbing event" and said it is working with passengers to reimburse them for lost valuables and assist with lost passports or other forms of identification.
The tour in question — a guided nature trail excursion sold and booked through the line — has been suspended until further notice.

Trip February 24th, 2012 09:11 PM

What a terrible thing to have happen,and how scary. Mexican Riviera cruising could really become an endangered species .:(

Lakers Fan February 24th, 2012 09:21 PM

One of my daughters is there now and is coming home tomorrow .

Phil&Liz February 24th, 2012 09:59 PM

That should put the nail in the coffin...Cruise lines stopped some ports due to violence in the region. They start it back up and the crime continues.
Done and done! Say bye bye to the tourist revenue.

hockeynut February 24th, 2012 10:04 PM

Wow, thats crazy. It's one thing when you hear stories like this when cruisers go off exploring on their own, but when it happens on a ship sponsored tour, that just shows that anything can happen. I'm glad no one was hurt. It sucks to lose watches, cameras, etc... but those can be replaced (also a good reminder to only bring what you need, limited cash, no jewelry, no passport, etc...)

I'm going on a Mexican Riviera cruise in September and heard that Mazatlan could be questionable and now this happens in PV. Hopefully things settle down by then.

green_rd February 25th, 2012 09:59 AM

Didn't something like this happen last year in St. Thomas? I think it was a Celebrity excursion.

Aerogirl February 25th, 2012 10:07 AM

I do believe PV is one of the places listed with a travel advisory…..It’s recommended to stay in the resort area of town.

Moiraine February 25th, 2012 11:36 AM

Indeed, it will be an endangered species. I did the cruise in late 2010. I loved PV. My cousin lives in California and I wanted to go back out there and do the cruise again sometime. I doubt if that will happen with the way things are going. These idiots are ruining tourism for the Riviera.

Snoozeman February 25th, 2012 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Phil&Liz (Post 1417366)
That should put the nail in the coffin...Cruise lines stopped some ports due to violence in the region. They start it back up and the crime continues.
Done and done! Say bye bye to the tourist revenue.

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Originally Posted by Moiraine (Post 1417444)
Indeed, it will be an endangered species. I did the cruise in late 2010. I loved PV. My cousin lives in California and I wanted to go back out there and do the cruise again sometime. I doubt if that will happen with the way things are going. These idiots are ruining tourism for the Riviera.


I agree...
Time to eliminate PV

Too bad

buttons16 February 25th, 2012 01:56 PM

I am not exactly sure why people would book a cruise trhat makes stops in Mexico.
If you have been keeping up with the times and read the papers you would have noticed that crime is rampart in Mexico. The drug cartels and roving gangs are starting to invade and commit crimes in tourist areas.

If you actually think you are safe going on a tour distributed by the cruise ship then you are out of touch. Do you really thing that a gang will say "Lets not take those people, they are with the cruise ship" I think it would be just the opposite effect. These gangs know you have money.

The stealing of your money and documents are just the start of problems, what about the gangs selling your documents on the black market, you identity is now at a high risk.

If you think this problem will go away in Mexico think again...The government and drug cartels and gangs are in an all out war.

If you or anyone else has thoughts on booking a cruise to Mexico then you should think twice.

buttons16 February 25th, 2012 02:01 PM

P.S. TRUE STORY...there is a city in Mexico that is so badly infested with crime that not one person wanted to become police chief...considering the last 4 were shot to death...that is until a 16 year old girl decided on taking the job...needless to say two weeks into her new job as police chief she had to leave and flee the city due to her receiving a death threat against her and her whole family....still want to go to Mexico.:confused:

Snoozeman February 25th, 2012 02:43 PM

Here's an amazing statistic.

Of all the violent deaths in the entire world (non natural deaths) a full ⅓ are in Mexico.

That's ⅓ of ALL the violent deaths in the world. In one country. Our neighbor. Mexico.

buttons16 February 25th, 2012 04:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snoozeman (Post 1417472)
Here's an amazing statistic.

Of all the violent deaths in the entire world (non natural deaths) a full ⅓ are in Mexico.

That's ⅓ of ALL the violent deaths in the world. In one country. Our neighbor. Mexico.

Snoozeman you are spot on....I know there is crime all over the world..however there are places less violent...Much less violent then Mexico.

The crimes being commited in so - called tourist areas are so violent that I will refrain from describing what types of crimes are being played out. Why are you the public not hearing about it so much...Because the government knows that the tourist industry has taken a huge hit, and it is wreaking havoc on their already troubled country.

Tourist areas that are or seeing huge spikes in crime Acapulco, Cozumel, Mazatlan, Cancun not mentioning the inner cities of Mexico such as Mexico city, Juarez.

Remeber like Snoozeman said 1/3 of all violent deaths such as decapitation are in Mexico. I also think that peole who pay good money to go on a cruise and visit Mexico are really not taking their safety in consideration.

There are much more civilized places to visit, and one of the most civilized places on earth is a port that is visited by cruise ships....BERMUDA...the civilized Island.:wink:

green_rd February 25th, 2012 06:22 PM

Buttons the vast majority of the violence in Mexico is in the US border areas. That has been very little violence in the tourist areas. I would still take my chances in PV but would stay in the resort areas.

buttons16 February 25th, 2012 08:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by green_rd (Post 1417508)
Buttons the vast majority of the violence in Mexico is in the US border areas. That has been very little violence in the tourist areas. I would still take my chances in PV but would stay in the resort areas.

I disagree 110%

Very easy to see the truth...Go to the site you tube and type in gang violence in Cancun and watch for yourself soldiers walking the beaches with rifles in full uniform....watch a man say he saw a bombing of a bar killing all inside.....watch and listen how these gangs are now targeting resort areas INCLUDING all inclusive resorts such as a sandals private resort...listen to the news reporters describing the be-heading of 22 people in Acapulco...listen to the people state that the resorts were once a safe haven now are targets for drug cartels and roving gangs..

If you want to go to this area of the world you can go...I really don't care one way or another...but for someone who might be concerned such as myself, the viewing of the you tube videos of violent crime in Mexican resorts can be of interest to tha:)t person.

maffo12 February 25th, 2012 09:00 PM

I don't think living in fear is the best thing one can choose.

Sure, Mexico has its security problems, but I wonder why all their harsh critics never look home, and realize how this problem is mostly related to them, to their home consumption of drugs, not to mention how the American Government truly benefits from this drug war as they can sell it's armament and weapons.

It's really sad to see how apparently people loves to live in a fear based reality. If that's your choice, so be it, we don't need you visiting Mexico.

buttons16 February 25th, 2012 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by maffo12 (Post 1417549)
I don't think living in fear is the best thing one can choose.

Sure, Mexico has its security problems, but I wonder why all their harsh critics never look home, and realize how this problem is mostly related to them, to their home consumption of drugs, not to mention how the American Government truly benefits from this drug war as they can sell it's armament and weapons.

It's really sad to see how apparently people loves to live in a fear based reality. If that's your choice, so be it, we don't need you visiting Mexico.

I am not living in fear nor are lots of other people...You are missing the point.

Why would anyone put themselfs in harms way just to prove a point that you can travel there...I

Here is an example...Do I live in fear that Somalia pirate are infested in the waters off the coast of Africa...No I am not...But that doesnt mean I will take my boat and travel in those waters just to prove a point....

As far as your quote "We don't need you visiting Mexico...OH but Mexico needs me and others to visit...Many areas in Mexico rely on tourists...What I am saying is Mexico better get their act together or the declining tourist business will put a real bad hurting on the economy.

It has been stated that the Drug cartels and gang members usually out gun the police in Mexico...IMHO Mexico is very close to being out of control.

Lakers Fan February 25th, 2012 09:22 PM

I personally have no desire to visit Mexico .However ,my daughter ,an Educator, spent most of this week in Mexico and will be coming home later tonight.

Snoozeman February 25th, 2012 09:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by buttons16 (Post 1417481)
Snoozeman you are spot on....I know there is crime all over the world..however there are places less violent...Much less violent then Mexico.

The crimes being commited in so - called tourist areas are so violent that I will refrain from describing what types of crimes are being played out. Why are you the public not hearing about it so much...Because the government knows that the tourist industry has taken a huge hit, and it is wreaking havoc on their already troubled country.

Tourist areas that are or seeing huge spikes in crime Acapulco, Cozumel, Mazatlan, Cancun not mentioning the inner cities of Mexico such as Mexico city, Juarez.

Remeber like Snoozeman said 1/3 of all violent deaths such as decapitation are in Mexico. I also think that peole who pay good money to go on a cruise and visit Mexico are really not taking their safety in consideration.

There are much more civilized places to visit, and one of the most civilized places on earth is a port that is visited by cruise ships....BERMUDA...the civilized Island.:wink:

I'll agree with most, but not lumping in Cozumel. I keep up with the news there as I have interests and friends living on the island. It's probably the safest place in Mexico. There are two military bases on the small island and gangs don't go there as they are afraid they can become trapped. The President of Mexico has a home there and has been know to ride his bike down the streets. He feels safe. There were 3 killed at a hotel fairly near by my barber that possibly could have been gang related, but it was actually unclear. This was four years ago and not many were even aware of it. The last two deaths recorded there where brought to the island by the cruise ships. One a love triangle gone bad and a crew member on crew member crime.

maffo12 February 25th, 2012 09:41 PM

Well, fair enough. The good thing is we still have millions of US & Canadian visitors every year who truly enjoy Mexico and who wont stop going just because some alarmist news, the Mexico-haters and the Mexico-over-cautious people are saying don't go there.

At the end Free Will choice, what a great right.

It would be just nice to see some of these people first looking deep into their society, look into what their government's interests play in other countries, in this case Mexico, before going harshly criticizing, thinking that the problem is Mexico and its Government, part it is, but just part, people should see the problem holistically, inclusive not exclusive.

buttons16 February 25th, 2012 09:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snoozeman (Post 1417564)
I'll agree with most, but not lumping in Cozumel. I keep up with the news there as I have interests and friends living on the island. It's probably the safest place in Mexico. There are two military bases on the small island and gangs don't go there as they are afraid they can become trapped. The President of Mexico has a home there and has been know to ride his bike down the streets. He feels safe. There were 3 killed at a hotel fairly near by my barber that possibly could have been gang related, but it was actually unclear. This was four years ago and not many were even aware of it. The last two deaths recorded there where brought to the island by the cruise ships. One a love triangle gone bad and a crew member on crew member crime.

I stand corrected...I just double checked the crime stats for Mexico....

Cozumel has a very low rate of Violent crime...almost none...Most of the crime that exists are home burglery...and petty thieft...even at night you are somewhat safe...But in all cases caution still needs to be used.

However I stand by the fact that the other tourist areas are starting to see a very large spike in violent crime.

buttons16 February 25th, 2012 09:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by maffo12 (Post 1417566)
Well, fair enough. The good thing is we still have millions of US & Canadian visitors every year who truly enjoy Mexico and who wont stop going just because some alarmist news, the Mexico-haters and the Mexico-over-cautious people are saying don't go there.

At the end Free Will choice, what a great right.

It would be just nice to see some of these people first looking deep into their society, look into what their government's interests play in other countries, in this case Mexico, before going harshly criticizing, thinking that the problem is Mexico and its Government, part it is, but just part, people should see the problem holistically, inclusive not exclusive.

I agree that the problems Mexico is having has to do with supply and demand...If the people of the United States and most other countries stopped their use of illegal drug use the crime in Mexico would also drop.

Most people dont realize that if they partake in illegal drug use then THEY ARE THE ONES WHO ARE CONTIBUTING TO ALL KINDS OF VIOLENT CRIME. AND THAT INCLUDES OCCASIONAL USERS.

These people who use illegal drugs are responisble for the fueling of murder against police and innocent by-standers.

maffo12 February 25th, 2012 10:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by buttons16 (Post 1417569)
Most people dont realize that if they partake in illegal drug use then THEY ARE THE ONES WHO ARE CONTIBUTING TO ALL KINDS OF VIOLENT CRIME. AND THAT INCLUDES OCCASIONAL USERS.

These people who use illegal drugs are responisble for the fueling of murder against police and innocent by-standers.

I agree. However, this war, like any other war, just benefit a few in power and some corporations bottom line. I'm not a drug advocate, don't use them not interested in them, however, I believe some kind of regulatory system, like happens with tobacco and alcohol, should be in place instead of this war/carnage happening because it is considered illegal. We should go back to what History had teach us when alcohol was illegal in Chicago in the 30's, etc. Anyway, I'm getting off topic, sorry. Bottom line is, we need more cooperation from US authorities and governments in general to look for feasible solutions, not just declaring war to something they will NOT be able to control. In the meantime, I invite all of you to come visit Mexico. :)

buttons16 February 25th, 2012 11:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by maffo12 (Post 1417571)
I agree. However, this war, like any other war, just benefit a few in power and some corporations bottom line. :)

Disagree....Illegal drug use only benefits corrupt people. Im not getting your argument that it benfits some corporations. There is a huge difference between one shot of alcohol and one shot of heroin or crack. How can any civilized government legalize heroin, crack, cocaine or any other illegal drug.

However I do agree that we are way off topic....My recommendation is that if anyone wants to visit Mexico other then Cozumel, then a second thought is in order...I myself dont feel like laying on a beach watching soldiers in full military gear including rifles walking by me. That just seems out of place and raises many red flags.

Ron February 26th, 2012 12:19 AM

My wife and I had always wanted to do the Mexican Riviera and in April of 2010 we did aboard the Mariner of the Seas.
We visited Cabo, Mazatlan and Puerto Vallarta. We had no problems but I've seen quite a bit of news about the crime rate rising in these areas in the last couple of years and have no desire to go back, but am glad we went when we did.
With regards to Cozumel, I have no fear nor any worries at this point about crime there--was there just a few weeks ago-- although it may get to the point that it too is unsafe. I've been there probably 12-15 times or more and never seen nor heard of anyone having a problem at all however that can change.
But in all honesty, when we talk about crime, how about our own country, the U.S.? We are one of the most violent countries in the world. I live in central Ky. and on a very regular basis there's local news about robberies, shootings and various other crimes--home invasion seems to be popular these days. In Louisville a couple of days ago 3 teens shot a cop--luckily his vest kept the bullet from entering his chest but he was also hit in the hand. Here in Lex. last week there were some teens pulling robberies , shooting their victims, etc so although we seem to perk up and take notice when this happens in another place, it seems like we somehow don't let it sink in about how violent this country is. I just wonder what the average number of murders and other violent crimes would be per day in the U.S if we had all the info. from all the states.
Also a few weeks ago we stopped at Falmouth , Jamaica and took a ships tour. Part of the tour was a stop at Doctors Cave Beach. I was sitting up above the beach in the shade on a bench where I had a good view up and down the beach. I suddenly saw 2 cops running toward the area where I was--then went past where I was , went into some alleyway or passage off the beach and out of my sight. Then here came 3 more running to the same spot. They too went onto the passageway or whatever it was out of my sight--suddenly out shot this tall, slim,young Jamaican guy--- he had on swim trunks, and was barefoot so he could get around on the beach better than the cops with their shoes, etc. One cop was fast enough to make a running dive and grabbed the guys trunks, pulling them down which tripped him. It took all 5 cops to subdue him. He really put up a fight but when they got him face down, a heavy foot was on the back of his neck forcing his face down into the sand-- they got him cuffed and hauled him up and away. I was just thinking here at home they would probably have been sued for forcing his face into the sand and getting sand into the poor little fellows eyes and mouth--police brutality you know! I don't know what he did . I did see the cops talking to a lady there but all I saw was the fight--I had a ring side seat in the shade. :) :) Score one for the police! :) :)

Lakers Fan February 26th, 2012 08:44 AM

Yes ,a lot of crime in America but how many people do you know who want to vacation in Louisville ,KY or Compton ,CA ,Newark,NJ , Wyandanch,NY ,etc .

buttons16 February 26th, 2012 09:17 AM

There is a big difference between having to live in an area and go to a high crime area for a vacation.

The info is out there...type in Crime in mexican resort area and a large number of ariticles come up. Dont trust the Mexican tourist web site, they probaly wont give you all the info...

Also go to "You Tube" and type in crime in cancun....and watch and listen...Type in crime in Acapulco....or anywhere for that matter...We are NOT talking about a random act, we are talking about drug cartels and large roving gangs targeting tourists...the reason is because there is an all out war against the government....Listen to experts say that the Mexican government is unable to control the crime...listen to how many police are on the take...Think about this...what does the average police officer make in Mexico...$400 US dollars a month...A MONTH....bribery is also rampant.

As for Most of the Carribean Islands...Most are safe during the day...alot are not at night...ever take a tour in Jamaica ? Alot of people are living in shacks...the drug trade in Jamaica is very high also...

LOOK IM NOT SAYING TO NOT GO TO THESE PLACES..The Islands are beautiful and lots of history to learn about...but extreme caution is advised when visiting these Islands...Some Islands are much safer then others.

On most of these Islands you are safe if you take a ships tour....or stroll around town...IMHO Bermuda is the most beautiful island...I love its English presence...The crime rate is extremely LOW...and the people are friendly...the streets are clean... it just feels like no other place in the world.

I do feel bad about Mexico...The economy needs the tourists....And I hope somehow the government can take some control.

Aerogirl February 26th, 2012 09:46 AM

I did go and look at the video’s of crime in Cancun…. I could only find ones from 2008, 2007. I continued to read other US reports and all of them claimed Cancun, Rivera Maya, Cozumel, Tulum Playa Del Carmen are still amongst the safest places in the Caribbean. I would think there would be travel advisories from the US if it was so dangerous. When we went to PV back in 1996 there were police patrolling the streets but it was safe for the most part. I wouldn’t go now because there has been trouble as of the past few years.
If you look hard enough you can find bad thing happening but that goes for anywhere.

Ine February 26th, 2012 10:54 AM

This was a very unfortunate and probably isolated incident in the outskirts of Puerto Vallarta. Good thing is nobody was hurt.
We all know crime is worldwide and often drugsrelated.
We are in PVR for (again) a long winterstay, with us thousands of americans, canadians and I know all of them are enjoying this stay. Restaurants are doing good business, people walk on the Malecon at night without any problem or doubting their safety.

This robbery has taken place this time in Mexico, but you might remember similar incidents in the USA in the past:
The Bulletin - Google News Archive Search

Man arrested in N.C. bus hijacking - US news - Crime & courts - msnbc.com

buttons16 February 26th, 2012 11:45 AM

This thread is getting way off track...We all know the crime rate in the USA...I have lived here all my life...So I know what Detriot is like, Philly,Washington DC, Many parts of California, New York. Illinios,New Jersey and even parts of Alaska has gang violence (Bloods and Crips) and the list goes on and on.

It really doesnt matter to me who goes to Mexico or who does'nt...you want to walk around Acapulco late at night be my guest, walk around all parts of Mexico at midnight be my guest, it does'nt bother nor matter to me...But when I read and hear about some of the disturbing crimes being comitted in broad daylight and at night I know I wont be traveling to any part of Mexico until the Government can some what contain the violence(Though there are officials who stated the government cant control the violence).. when I hear the crime is getting out of control and I listen to a video of a man who owned a bar in a Mexican resort sell the bar and fled the country because of some of the decapitations he witnessed then it causes concern for me... The same way I wont take my boat and sail off the coast of Africa with all those Samolia Pirates infesting those waters. Why put myself at a rather risky situation.

So I travel to areas not as violent

Ireland (Excluding Northern Ireland)
England
Bermuda
Some of the Carribean Islands
ABC Islands
Switzerland
Finland
Norway
Oh and I love Maine...:)


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