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buttons16 June 4th, 2012 11:43 AM

Read this
 
Amazingly Carnival Cruise Lines Pays Only 1.1 Percent of 11.3 Billion Dollars in Profits - Maritime Injury Attorney Blog

Still feel bad for Carnival, or you still think that the cruise line is doing everything they can to help you...I am sure the other lines are doing the same.

What a joke..you should be served Lobster every single day with the profits this company is making...but they squeeze you for every dime they can.

Aerogirl June 4th, 2012 03:30 PM

I don't think anyone was feeling bad for Carnival. :confused:

buttons16 June 4th, 2012 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Aerogirl (Post 1431315)
I don't think anyone was feeling bad for Carnival. :confused:

But alot of people are defending the cruise lines..by that I mean people are saying that the quality of food has declined and cuts are needed because the fare is so low...

But the cruise line pays almost nothing to the MDR staff, stewards, people in Laundry, bartenders and most other staff.

It seems their strategy of keeping fares low but charging you an arm and leg for everything else is working...they are making a bundle.

I find it funny that people say keep the cruise fare low because I dont have a problem paying for other things on board. The lower quality of food in the MDR is by design..it is being done on purpose so if people want a better meal they have to pay extra in a specialty restaurant. The bottom line for the line is to get as much out of you as possible while on board.

NCL now charges to see blue man group on their ship.
Royal Carribean now charges for late night room service...

All these extra charges are piling up for the cruise line. Why is it that people are ok with that..Why is it ok to start charging for things that were free years back...its a disgrace.

Its ok to some peopple because they are paying a low cruise fare..so if you dont pay a higher fare they get you on board, whats the difference your gonna pay one way or another. Me I prefer to pay a higher rate so I am not poked for all kinds of fees on board.

All in clusive is the way to go for me anyway. I wont have to deal with all the nickle and diming on board..

Aerogirl June 4th, 2012 04:22 PM

Got it!!;)

buttons16 June 4th, 2012 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Aerogirl (Post 1431332)
Got it!!;)

Thank you Aerogirl, I just wanted to clearify what I ment by the link I posted on this thread.:-D

Phil&Liz June 4th, 2012 06:59 PM

This old issue with CCL goes back to its founding when the family used their Israeli citizenship as a tax loophole.

Its been bantered over and over as valid/true/unlawful for years.

Long reported and much documented.

Kuki June 4th, 2012 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by buttons16 (Post 1431272)
Amazingly Carnival Cruise Lines Pays Only 1.1 Percent of 11.3 Billion Dollars in Profits - Maritime Injury Attorney Blog

Still feel bad for Carnival, or you still think that the cruise line is doing everything they can to help you...I am sure the other lines are doing the same.

What a joke..you should be served Lobster every single day with the profits this company is making...but they squeeze you for every dime they can.

Firstly, the attorney whose article you quote has a well known bias towards the cruise industry. And you accept his figures as fact.

He writes about Carnival cruise line, when in fact, to get anywhere near the level of profits he's speaking of he has to be talking about Carnival Corporation (owners of Carnival, Holland America, Princess, Costa, Seabourn cruise lines (and probably a couple of others I forgot to include).

The other important consideration would be to differentiate between gross profits, and net profits.

Those ships cost a half billion each to build, and they don't maintain themselves. Every 1 1/2 - 2 yrs. they go in for a scheduled dry dock, to get refreshed with new carpeting, furnishings, and mechanics.

Carnival Corp. is a publicly traded company, and those of us who are shareholders want to see them make a profit.

Do they get around the taxes by flagging their vessels outside of the US? Absolutely. Not any different from hundreds of multi-national companies who pay little or no taxes in the United States... General Motors, Apple.. for example.

The cruise lines DO bring an awful lots of dollars to the local economies whereever in every US port city they use. They also build and pay for a lot of infrastructure in ports of call throughout the Caribbean.

Their goal is to make $$, and they shouldn't be disrespected for doing so.

As to what they pay the crew. Aside from those who do in fact work for a low salary, and are reliant on gratuities, they do have a great many salaried staff on board as well. The service staff will tell you they are able to make much more working on the ships, than they would be able to do in their home countries.

If you want the crew to be paid more, you of course have to realize it would be the passengers paying that salary, either way... via salary or the presesnt system of gratuities.

At least with the present system, if you are truly unhappy with the service you're able to remove the gratuities. If they were included in the fare, you'd have already paid that money out, with no options.

While I do believe they are overdoing some of the extra charges, they ARE all optional expenses or purchases to the passenger; user pay.

I believe it's absolute fact that they are always seeking the additional revenues precisely because they have to keep their cruise fares exceptionally low to keep their ships sailing full. And, it's certainly not their fault they are doing a good job of it.

The public is gobbling this stuff up. The industry grows substantially every year. That is telling the cruise lines that what they are doing is working.

Oh.. and BTW, there is no charge for seeing the Blue Man Group on Norweigan Epic (the only ship they are on). Ya can't believe everything you read.

Without the Arison family, who started Carnival Cruise Line there might not even be a cruise industy as we know it. To that point the ships were ocean liners, used mainly for transportation, and almost exclusively for the very rich.

twoAlaskans June 5th, 2012 07:37 AM

KuKI: it is the same old same with some people...envy...people worry so much about someone who became a winner and do nothing but comlain about it....if the tables were turned they claim they would do such and such, but they would not, becuase then they woudl understand the true cost of the industry, sad how in this nation people rewad lazyness and envy those who work hard...

conway scott June 5th, 2012 02:34 PM

You are correct, Carnival is a business which exist to make profits for share holders. Thats capitalism. No other system works as well and you should not blame the cruise industry for trying to maximize profits. I go on cruises to have a good time and thats all that matters. How they run the business is not my concern. If I don't like it I have the right to try another cruise line. Food is food and service is service , all I want or ask for is to sit on the Lido deck, read my book and hope for good weather. No complaints from this sailer..........

Fieldmouse June 5th, 2012 03:07 PM

Kuki & Conway Scott : Excellent response...Couldn't have said it better!

twoAlaskans June 5th, 2012 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by fieldmouse (Post 1431502)
kuki & conway scott : Excellent response...couldn't have said it better!

exactly!!!

Paul Motter June 5th, 2012 04:37 PM

First of all...

What buttons said is true, but I do think carnival is doing anything wrong? Absoluely not. A LOT of major corporation paid no taxes in 2010, including:
  • General Electric (which owns NBC, GE Capital, and tons of other businesses).
  • Wal-Mart
  • MicroSoft
  • Hewlitt Packard.
So, big deal. Its what you net, not what you gross that counts. Carnival pays exactly what the US tax code says it is supposed to pay.

And in addition - where did you hear they now charge for Blue man Group on NCL? That is news to me. Can you give us a source.

Finally - Jim Walker is a well-known cruise protagonist, he hates the cruise industry and will do anything to show it in a bad light. He definitely has an agenda. He has been calling the cruise industry "tax dodgers for over a decade now. Its an unsubstantiated comment.

Besides that - why do I care what anybody else pays. Maybe Carnival didn't pay as a corporation, but everyone who works there had to pay income taxes. And I completely refute the idea that they take advantage of their workers. If it is so bad why do they work there year after year?

Manuel June 5th, 2012 05:49 PM

Paul, I like your statement.

It's good to hear from someone who is well informed.

TM

Ron June 5th, 2012 10:38 PM

Kuki explained it about as well as it can be explained.

If one doesn't want to cruise because they feel they are being over charged, under served, underfed, and other wise short changed , then one shouldn't cruise.
;);)

Dhill June 5th, 2012 10:51 PM

Personally I dont really care how much money the Carnival Corporation made last year.I am just interested in their service.If they can provide me a good product that I am happy with at a price that I think is fair then I will do business with them if not then there are other companys offering the same service.maybe at a diffrent price but that will be are deceison


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