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I think you get what you pay for. Carnival is a mass market cruise line. If you are looking for an escape from reality ????
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Lets hope this will help curb those inconsiderate people who believe they "own" those deck chairs. If you look each day, it's usually the same people or same group of people.
If you should try to use an empty chair your snarled at and told that chair is "taken"!
I cruise a lot and I see this every time. I'm not a sun worshiper but would enjoy to use the deck chairs from time to time.
I tend to mellow out when on a cruise but these groups of "chair hogs"
are the same petty, self -impressed, entitled, hogs you see in the ships theatre.




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"Hog" is pretty derogatory word, but "Chair Hog" is the term cruisers use for people who "reserve" deck chairs by going to the pool area in the early morning hours and placing a book on the best chair available.

Not a very nice word but it accurately reflects how regular cruisers feel about these people and apparently for good reason. Often these chair hogs have no intention of even using the chair until after lunch, and in some cases people report that they come along after the chair has been sitting empty for hours and they just pick up the property that was "holding" the chair and walk away.

The problem is one of identifying which chair is actually in use, and which one has merely been usurped. Typically, any deck chair containing any kind of property is regarded as "in use," but that is actually not true at all in far too many cases. And even though all cruise lines have a policy against "saving" chairs in such a manner, the rule is almost never enforced because there is no way an empty chair can tell you if it has been wrongfully usurped, or if the occupant is really just away for a short time.




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If the deck attendant spent all day calling out deck chair numbers I would go do trivia lol.

Why not just have an area where you can rent your chair for the day for $5-10 and other areas that are free? Rented chairs are red, they write your stateroom number on a piece of tape and you put it in the chair you like. You can rent your chair at 6am and not use it all day if you want, but every other chair not in use gets cleared frequently.
For part 1 -- there could be electronic "tickets" that communicate with each other so if the attendant pushed a button the widget the guest is holding would light up and the person would have to reply - he could reply by pointing it at a receiver ONLY in the pool area that reads whatever it puts out (RF, LED, whatever).

As far as renting chairs go - its not a bad idea but you would just get more nickel & diming claims. Its like having better seats for suite dwellers, people just don't like that. Plus, I am not sure it would solve the problem and that is what I am trying to do.
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Whether this system works or not, something has needed to be done about this problem for years. My wife and I were on our honeymoon back in March and there was not a single day on which we could find two chairs together mid-day. Now that is partly our fault for not get up on deck early enough but, we searched on and off each day for several hours. The only time we could find chairs together was at night in the Serenity area. I'm glad that this is being addressed.
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I have seen that kind of situation a number of times and will give up my seat for a couples, old folks and disabled. If I'm sitting alone I can be really flexible where I sit. Since I DO NOT sun my only criteria is there is shade.

Random acts of kindness make peoples day. It costs NOTHING to be nice and makes a much better impresion than being difficult.

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I see the chair hogs on every cruise and the worst one was on RCCL Adventure out of Puerto Rico. Every chair from the pool to several rows out had towels on them by 7am and no people on them till the afternoon. I do not mind walking as long as I can get a seat somewhere in the sun and the pool area. Also a lot of times we grab a drink and go into the pool for an hour and chat with the other guests and time flies and I do not use my chair. Am i to get punished for not getting back to my chair every 10-20 minutes? I do not think so.... it is the obvious hogs who hold rows of chairs not the one of you have to worry about. Plus with the penny pinching going on with the cruise lines do you really think they will assign someone to put out tags? Don't think so!!! They should remove the rows they see in the am that have not been used for say one hour and let others sit there.
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I applaud the attempt at curbing this. I think it is ridiculous when people come out at 6:45 a.m. and drop a shoe, a book, hat, another shoe, magazine and another book on six deck chairs. They finally come out around 11:00 a.m. and use the chairs for thirty minutes and then go to lunch for over an hour and then come back and sit for another thirty minutes before leaving for the day.

Sorry, but this is a common practice and one I have paid close attention to.

If you need to leave for fifteen or twenty minutes that's fine but if you leave for over a half hour then you've lost your "prime spot". Use it or lose it.

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I am not a sun person so this does not affect me.

Although I do find it interesting that something as simple as this took years for Carnival to even try to address.....
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I have been on many cruises and this remains an ongoing problem. Actually,your solution was something I thought of a few years ago. I have witnessed prime chairs sitting empty the entire day with no one even attempting to use them. They obviously had found something more attractive to do and didn't have the courtesy to go collect their cheap flip-flops until time for dinner. This is not fair and something needs to be done in a diplomatic, fair way. To save chairs for those in a group is acceptable, providing someone in the group stays with the chairs until the others arrive. If I'm traveling with others, I want to be able to sit in a deck chair and talk with my family/friends.
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I'm really upset with these recent developments.

My company was just ready to come to market with a sheet, that when laid on top of a deck chair, appeared to be a deck chair with a book, a beach bag, and flip flops laying on it.

Back to the drawing board. Now I have to have it appear to be a deck chair with a person in it.
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Umm... I think you can already buy those...



Or this one...

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I hope this stops the chair saving. Great effort from Carnival but long over due.
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I'm really upset with these recent developments.

My company was just ready to come to market with a sheet, that when laid on top of a deck chair, appeared to be a deck chair with a book, a beach bag, and flip flops laying on it.

Back to the drawing board. Now I have to have it appear to be a deck chair with a person in it.
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Umm... I think you can already buy those...



Or this one...

You guy's are TOO funny ! Since we don't sit in the sun it's not a problem for us, but I think a solution that work's is great for those that do.
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I hope this works for Carnival n all the lines that try. At least its a start. I've been on 10 cruises and its hard to find chairs on Lido. So I started going one deck up and on the sides. But sometimes I would like to sit around the pool. When I went on the Fantasy last Oct with my granddaughter, that was my first time in the pool. She enjoyed herself and we had front row seats. I was really shocked.
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Well if you are doing laps or enjoying your families you don't need your seat do you? You only need it when you come back and want to sit down. With your family. Meanwhile no other families can sit down. And when you get back you can't because some other family is 'enjoying one another' and some guy is doing laps. If everyone used the chairs when they needed and not when they didn't, it wouldn't be a problem for anyone. See how it works?

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Removing one's property from a deck chair after 10-15 minutes in practice is inconsiderate. Many people go into the pool for more than said time to enjoy the water and relax, swim laps, or enjoy their families. Many, many people also go into the hot tub and happily enjoy this poolside activity for 20 minutes or more. There is nothing wrong with enjoying these activities beyond 15 minutes--in fact it's quite normal and routine. When people pay to enjoy their time at the pool, they should not have to worry about the pool police or anyone else claiming their belongings which could be quite valuable.
Of course, there are people who abuse this, but your proposed solution is neither reasonable or practicle. This proposal could easily lead to hundreds of people being improperly inconvenienced and disturbed. It would be a daily nightmare for the customers and the staff--a daily nightmare.
A 40 minute trial is more reasonable and if it turns out that what is gained is not worth the confusion and bad will, then it may be best to work out another plan or revert back to what is current as a perfect solution may not be possible--in other words, a utilitarian decision for all affected parties.
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Sorry to point out the obvious but if you are in the pool for an hour chatting with other guests then it is not your chair as you are not in need of one at that moment. So you too are saving a chair until it suits you and for that hour (or two or three as 'time flies' FOR YOU) no one else who wants to sit and read and not 'hang in the pool with friends can't. So again, if everyone just used the chairs when they needed and vacated them when in the pool or drinking or chatting at the bar, everyone would have a seat when they needed it.

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I see the chair hogs on every cruise and the worst one was on RCCL Adventure out of Puerto Rico. Every chair from the pool to several rows out had towels on them by 7am and no people on them till the afternoon. I do not mind walking as long as I can get a seat somewhere in the sun and the pool area. Also a lot of times we grab a drink and go into the pool for an hour and chat with the other guests and time flies and I do not use my chair. Am i to get punished for not getting back to my chair every 10-20 minutes? I do not think so.... it is the obvious hogs who hold rows of chairs not the one of you have to worry about. Plus with the penny pinching going on with the cruise lines do you really think they will assign someone to put out tags? Don't think so!!! They should remove the rows they see in the am that have not been used for say one hour and let others sit there.
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I wonder if I place a book on the chair of a slot machine in the casino I could lay claim to all the days winnings on that machine. I am new to cruisemates and still learning my way around so i do apologize if I post anything wrong. We have just planned our 4th cruise. I fell in love with cruising immediately during my first cruise. I have yet to get in the pool on a ship partly because usually there are no seats. Even on the serenity deck, there are seldom any unused chairs. Mostly people sleeping in them. I think it is great that Carnival is attempting to curb this problem, but I think it will be extremely hard to police and enforce.

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I am glad they are addressing this issue. It was out of hand. On any given morning, unless it was raining people would put a single flip flop on several chairs. No one would show up for hours if at all. They're not that many one footed people on the cruise. The new system seems to be an improvement and deterrent.

Something opposite happened to me in the Casino on the Fantasy. I am playing my favorite machine and needed to go to the restroom. Friends are nearby so I leave my S&S card with lanyard in along with my credits. I also tilted the stool under the coin tray as is customary for a machine in use. I come back within 3 minutes and a lady is pulling my card out. So I tell her that I am playing that machine and just went to the restroom. Her response was she didn't know you could do that. I now get a crew member to watch my machine when going to the restroom.
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I used to work with someone who said he called it "uncommon sense" as "common sense" wasn't that common! Surely this chair thing is just common sense? people like to have a base near the pool where they sit in the sun in between dips in the pool to cool off, first come first served & use it as long as you wish...but the crucial part it USE the beds/chairs. Good manners & consideration for others are important.
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One of my cruises was on Home Lines "Homeric" I think their system was great. On the first day of the cruise you could go to the lido and talk to the deck steward and get your chair assigned. You got to pick the place and the deck steward would put out your chair every day with your name on it. This system worked well. I never had to wait for a chair and it was always there.

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Bravo!!!!! After just coming off a B2B on RC, it was so apparent that these "hoggers" didn't care. I am the one who gets up early and like the peace and quiet of the adult area so went there to have coffee, read and watch the sunrise. I saw the 6A.M.'ers drop off their items and go back to bed till 11 or 12.
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First off, great discussion.

Second, I also applaud Carnival for making an attempt to at least solve this problem, regardless if their solution is a good one or not. At least the problem is being acknowledged. The sad part of this story is, as every year goes by it seems we are living in a society of more and more people who have to have decisions made for them because they are not sensible enough themselves to make good, honest decisions and judgements. Whether it be laws to stop people from accumulating so much debt or laws to stop cell phone use while driving, the sad part is everyone suffers as the result of stupid mistakes made by generally few people.

Here's my two cents based on what I have read...

The only legitimate reason I can think of right now to leave a chair is to go to a washroom, and I think 20 minutes SHOULD be more than enough for that. Bar converting or replacing chairs with some sort of electronic device that could sense, say at least 10 lbs, for a given period of time to change a light on it from red to green which would then start a 20 minute timer before the light reverts to an unoccupied state, (I am patenting this idea and calling it the "Butt Parking Meter"), the sticker system is a good one. An electronic system could also work well, but would likely be a costly solution, not to mention an impersonal and somewhat ugly one. On the other hand, some Carnival staff member has to be policing the chairs with stickers which is also impersonal and also has a cost related to it. If there are costs to any solution, I can guarantee those costs are passed directly onto people cruising. So economics should also play a role in Carnival's enforcement of choice.

What needs to happen (and maybe Carnival has done this for a while) is the habits of the "Chair Hog" need to be studied. By chance is the most common thing used to "Hold" a chair a Carnival towel? If so, after 20 minutes of a chair being vacant that towel is collected by Carnival staff, laundered, and put back into their storage. Then a new line item is added to everyones cruise contract that says, "Missing towels are billed to your stateroom at $20 each, every night"! Voila! "Chair Hog" fee! All other items can be placed in the lost and found "Pile" for the "Chair Hog" to waste their time rumaging through.

Bottom line: The "Chair Hog" needs to be beaten in one of two ways I believe. 1.) In the wallet, or 2.) By wasting the "Chair Hog's" time which hopefully would show that the effort they need to commit to hogging a chair is simply not justified any more.

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Hey, wait a minute I make good money selling those Chair Hog's towels on Ebay!
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Had some problems with the system on Miracle late november, Swimming in the pool and they kept marking my chair as not being used, even when I told the attentant I was in pool next to lounge chair. I guess nothing is perfect. Doesn't leave much time for lunch or breakfast.
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I think if you are going to breakfast or lunch, you should give up your chair for someone else to use it. I agree, if just going for a swim, less than 10 minutes, you should be OK...Anything more, give up the chair and get another one when finished with a meal, nap, etc...
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This is the best idea ever. So many times impossible to find even two seats together. I love it - go carnival!
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