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Old February 3rd, 2014, 10:55 PM
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As you all have heard, RCCL has changed their smoking policy to include non smoking on all balcony's effective January 1, 2014. This is by far a very bad move on RC part. They are going to loose a lot of loyal customers. Making a block of balcony rooms for smokers is by far a better idea. I will not be cruising on RC until this policy is looked over again and again. People pay a lot of money to get a balcony room and for those that complain that the smoke is coming into their room? SHUT THE DAMN DOOR YA IDIOTS. Attn Carnival: Don't you dare change your policy.
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Bonkers, the problem for non-smokers is not, or should not be, smoke coming into the cabin but smoke is coming onto their balcony for which they spent just as much money as their smoking neighbor.

So calling people idiots does nothing but tick them off.
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As a non smoker if feel if someone wants to "light up" that's their business. When I'm on my cruise and I walk into my cabin or suite and it smells of smoke then it's a great inconvenience. Lack of regard for the rules. When I'm on my balcony and I have to breath someones "second hand smoke" that's even worse. If they want to ruin their health by smoking, fine but I don't want mine ruined along the way. I think it's a good rule and people will find their way to the smoking area. Hopefully.
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Old February 4th, 2014, 08:10 PM
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The new policy is in line with what the overwhelming majority of passengers are requesting. So they won't be loosing alot of passengers, as you stated. They may lose a few, but they will also sell more balcony cabins to those who don't smoke and in the end will gain more passengers than they lose based on the facts of the matter and past experience of other cruise lines who have made the same policies. They are simply listening to what their passengers want while taking into account other factors like safety, health, and cleaning.

Fires on ships have been directly related to smoking. This not only costs huge amount of dollars in restoration, but also for insurance. These costs are passed along in the form of higher cruising costs to all passengers.

While no one should ever tell someone they can't smoke, they do have the right to tell them where they can smoke so as not to affect others. Look at what was done about smoking on airplanes many years ago. Cruising attracts all types of people including very young children or someone who has to use oxygen all the time because of physical problems. They should not have to be subjected to unwanted smoke. It's the same reason why we have most laws.

And as we all know, smoke stinks. It gets on the walls and into the fabric, mattresses, and carpet. It takes alot of extra cleaning to get out the residue and smell, adding extra costs, which is, again, passed along in the form of higher cruise costs. This is why all cruise lines no longer allow smoking in the cabins.

And as for closing the doors, people want to sit out on their balcony and enjoy the fresh sea air. They can't do this with a chain smoker next door who's not allowing them this simple pleasure.

I smoked for 16 years - half of my life! I was up to 2 packs a day and developing a smoker's cough at age 32. One day I was lighting up and my 4 year old son, who had probably seen something on TV, looked up at me and asked, "Hey, dad. When are you going to die from smoking?"

Talk about a cold slap in the face!

Just so happen the very next day the government agency I was working for announced a free stop smoking class. I immediately signed up and two weeks later I quit. Toughest thing I've ever had to do in my life! But I stuck with it and haven't had a cigarette in 32 years! No doubt in my mind, I would have been dead or close to it by now had I not quit and I would not be bouncing my two grandkids on my knee!

Not trying to scare anyone or convince anyone to quit. Just proving a point that I speak from first-had experience.

But now, like many smokers who have quit, I find myself very susceptible to smoke. I don't like being around it, don't like the smell, and don't like the after-affects when I have been around it.

If someone wants to smoke - that's fine. I don't have a problem with that. But I, like the majority of people, do have a problem with subjecting people to something they don't want, especially something that is very physically harming to them.

I can appreciate that smokers would love to sit on their balcony and puff away. But at the same time, why should the person next door, who paid the same amount of money, not be able to enjoy their balcony? Do you think the smoker would like it if someone next door cranked up their stereo on their balcony with music the smoker absolutely hated? Or how would they like it if a nudist you really didn't want to see was constantly 'obstructing' part of your view while 'hanging out' on their balcony?

It's all about common courtesy and tolerance. We can't all get everything we want, so we have to be considerate of others and make certain allowances.

There are places on a ship set aside for smokers, so accommodations have been made for those wanting to smoke. Non-smokers don't go there by choice. Both sides have been considered in these policies. But when smoking is allowed on balconies, non-smokers have no choice and are not being considered.

Currently of the major mass-market cruise lines, there are only three that allow smoking on balconies (Carnival, Holland America, & NCL). But I think all cruise lines will forbid it within the next couple of years because of the huge demand.

As for having an all non-smoking ship, Carnival tried this many years ago and it proved it was non financially feasible. So I don't think anyone is willing to try this experiment again.

As for having a 'block' of balcony cabins where smoking is allowed, what happens if they need more than have been blocked? Or what if they don't sell enough of them and have cabins left over? Again, not as simple as it may sound.

Let's fact it, the smoking versus non-smoking problems can be debated forever and there are no easy solutions that would satisfy everyone all the time. Having been a smoker, I know what it's like to have a craving and not be able to smoke when and where I want. But I was always tolerant and never let my smoke or blew my smoke into a non-smoker's space as I did not want to infringe upon their right to breath fresh air or cause them discomfort in any way. (And by the way, unlike alot of smokers, I never threw my cigarette buts out the car window!)

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I too am an ex smoker. I smoked for 23 years and it's been over 20 years since I quit. I understand both side of this issue. I'm with Cruise Planner on this, I can't tolerate being around the smoke. On our last cruise my wife and I had to endure the smell of smoke in our suite the whole cruise because all of the other suites were occupied. Our suite attendant worked very hard to rid the smell of smoke but by the end of our cruise it still smelled. If the smell is so hard to get rid of just imagine what's going on in the lungs.
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Smokers are a minority and a shrinking one at that. They don't have the juice that they think they do.

CVS recently announced they will stop selling all tobacco products.
CVS stores to stop selling tobacco - CNN.com

It is only a matter of time before Carnival bans it on balconies although I doubt they will ban it entirely anytime soon.
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As I stated in the "other" post Bonkers was trying to start, if you don't like the rules, go on another line. So far on these posts, I see 100% agreement with this new RCI policy. HMMMMMMMMMMM.....
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I too am an ex smoker. I smoked for 23 years and it's been over 20 years since I quit. I understand both side of this issue. I'm with Cruise Planner on this, I can't tolerate being around the smoke. On our last cruise my wife and I had to endure the smell of smoke in our suite the whole cruise because all of the other suites were occupied. Our suite attendant worked very hard to rid the smell of smoke but by the end of our cruise it still smelled. If the smell is so hard to get rid of just imagine what's going on in the lungs.
Why did the room smell? You can't smoke in the cabin.
For it to smell someone had to be smoking in it for weeks.
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According to my suite attendant the previous gusts smoked in the suite. The smoke was in the carpet, the drapery and the furniture. It doesn't take much to saturate the room. My attendant says they smoked on the balcony with the door closed but I don't think so. I believe they still smoked inside even after being told not to. It smelled and it was strong. I didn't ask how long they were in the suite.
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hey, does anyone know what time dump of the seas departs today? do they sell smokes on the boat? How about a tat?
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Well said Cruise Planner. Smoke free hotels are the norm now. Marriott hotels have been smoke free for over six years. I haven't heard of any of them closing down because all the smokers left. It's hard to believe people used to smoke on planes and restaurants. I remember going to the grocery store as a kid, my Mom would push the cart around the store, smoking the whole time. When the cigarette was done, she'd drop it on the floor and step on it, and keep on shopping. I am sooooo glad times have changed.
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