Go Back   CruiseMates Cruise Community and Forums > Cruise Lines (Mainstream) > Celebrity
Register Forgot Password?

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
  #1 (permalink)  
Old December 15th, 2001, 09:03 AM
Joe Joe is offline
Senior Member
Cruise Maniac
 
Join Date: Aug 2000
Posts: 224
Default Too many old people

We sailed on the 12/3 sailing of Summit. We had a great time!, but why soooo many old people. No less than 95% of the passengers were 65 and above. We are in our late 30's and only saw approx. 30 people in our age range.

Too many shuffling old people in the way.
Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
  #2 (permalink)  
Old December 15th, 2001, 11:24 AM
susancruzs
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default Re: Too many old people

Where'd you get your percentage from? I venture to guess there were alot of 40's and 50's, too. I've sailed on 14 days cruises (notorious for having an "older" crowd) and have never run into everyone being over 65, maybe on HAL, maybe but I hardly think that is true on Celebrity.
Reply With Quote
  #3 (permalink)  
Old December 15th, 2001, 12:13 PM
AR
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default Re: Too many old people

Joe, that's just ridiculous. I was on the same cruise and the percentage of those 65+ was nowhere near that high. You are clearly exaggerating.

However, it was by far the oldest group I've ever sailed with. Plus, the almost overwhelming number of electric carts, wheelchairs, walkers and canes made the group seem even older and more infirm. In fact I wondered if so many physically challenged people wouldn't present an insurmountable safety hazard in case of emergency, especially because so many of the older pax had even more difficulty than usual understanding where they were, how the elevators worked, and how to get from here to there. A lot of people were so "out of it" that it sometimes got depressing. Especially when combined with the medical emergencies happening all over the ship. Even before we left Ft. Lauderdale we saw an older woman collapsed on the floor at the entrance to the outside eating area aft of the Waterfall Cafe (the medical team was working on her and I have no idea what the result was). Then there were the usual stories of people breaking their ankles getting on tenders, etc.

I'm going to write a review after we get the cards out, the bills paid, and all the usual "return to earth" stuff done. But, other than the issues of the very elderly, the clueless, and the unbelievably rude passengers, it was an excellent cruise. The Summit is as smashing as her sisters, the Normandie is out of this world (dare I say it, better than the Olympic!), the overall level of food has improved, and the service staff are at the very top of their game.

AR
Reply With Quote
  #4 (permalink)  
Old December 15th, 2001, 12:20 PM
Senior Member
First Mate
 
Join Date: Aug 2000
Posts: 452
Default Re: Too many old people

How rude!
I'm in my 40's, and will be sailing on Mercury around South America next month. I dont think I qualify for the group you are refering to, but how rude can you be??? "too many shuffling old people in the way"???? You really have an attitude problem that needs to be addressed. Get some respect and join the world.
Your attitude really disgusts me.
Stay home with your kiddie friends if you don't want to encounter the majority of the population.
Reply With Quote
  #5 (permalink)  
Old December 15th, 2001, 12:40 PM
Kuki's Avatar
Moderator
Admiral
 
Join Date: Aug 2000
Location: Right here :)
Posts: 22,384
Send a message via AIM to Kuki
Default Re: Too many old people

Fact is once you get over 7 days in duration for a cruise, the average age of passengers does go up. It's a combination of having the time and money to cruise longer.
That being said, they are often the more interesting, well travelled crowd, as well.
Cruises for Nov, Dec, and Jan were being pretty drastically reduced to fill the ships. And many folks who didn't have to fly in (Florida residents) were grabbing these bookings. This may have also had something to do with the unusual age range.
Though I highly doubt that 95% estimate.
Regards,
Kuki
Reply With Quote
  #6 (permalink)  
Old December 15th, 2001, 04:22 PM
Lew Lew is offline
Senior Member
Cruise Maniac
 
Join Date: Aug 2000
Posts: 161
Default Re: Too many old people

Joe: One day you will also be "old", but in the meantime, book your
cruises on Carnival and during the summer when school is out.
Reply With Quote
  #7 (permalink)  
Old December 15th, 2001, 08:36 PM
Senior Member
Cruise Maniac
 
Join Date: Oct 2000
Posts: 114
Default Re: Too many old people

We were on the inaugural cruise on the Summit and I must agree with Joe as to the unusally large amount of older individuals. We were with another couple (all of us being in our early 50s), and we were the minority. I thoroughly enjoyed the cruise and don't regret it one bit. We are in the process of trying to find another cruise as a reunion cruise for 8 of us who were tablemates two years ago, and someone suggested a 10 or 11 night cruise. The four of us who were on the Summit quickly suggested that we do a 7 night because of the large amount of older individuals. Everyone we met were extremely nice, but things moved a little slower. As I told our friends when they said something about the ages of most individuals, retirees are more likely to be able to go on the longer cruises than younger working individuals. I know I had to save my two weeks vacation in order to be able to take that much time off. That made for a really long summer.
Reply With Quote
  #8 (permalink)  
Old December 15th, 2001, 10:15 PM
AR
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default Re: Too many old people

Maybe we middle-aged people can convince boors to stay off ships altogether. Not a classy act, Joe. Not classy at all.

AR
Reply With Quote
  #9 (permalink)  
Old December 15th, 2001, 10:15 PM
harborman
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default Re: Too many old people

Joe,
Maybe you should go on Carnival.
Reply With Quote
  #10 (permalink)  
Old December 16th, 2001, 01:40 AM
Senior Member
Admiral
 
Join Date: Oct 2000
Posts: 5,238
Default Re: Too many old people

Hmmmmmmmm.

Most youngies have kidlets, worries about tuitions, worries about leaving work for more than a week ... what a surprise that the cruising public tends to be a bit older, especially on longer cruises.

As someone who's getting older every day, I don't like hearing cheap shots about the ancients who are cruising. We will all be that age some day. And I certainly don't plan to stop cruising just because some 30YO thinks I am "old."

Maybe there should be ships with age limits, just as there are no smoking ships. "If over 45, please do not book with us."

See those ships sail half-full with families getting stressed in quads.

Some of the most charming people we've met over our cruising years are "oldies" who have more life experience than we may ever have and have wonderful stories to tell. I would not trade them for some smart-mouthed "youngie".

Balancing, I do have a safety concern for those who are not in the best of health or are otherwise handicapped. There isn't a "good health" test for cruise passengers.

A few years back, we were flying from LAX to Auckland. The man across the aisle from me started bleeding THROUGH his trousers. BIG blood. Turned out he'd had both knees replaced not too long before and neither his doc nor his TA told him it would be dangerous to fly. His incisions SPLIT because of the cabin pressure !!!

Later, on the cruise, his wife tripped over a water-tight door seal and broke her arm. She was to be attending to him. So, here are two people who couldn't care for themselves, much less each other.

You can't send a kid to day camp without all sorts of medical sign-offs, but people can pay their $$$ and jump on a ship. Many of the "old" people may be on their first (and, possibly, only) cruise.

Would it be a good idea for cruising folks to have a medical sign-off on what activities are OK or not? And if they can't get themselves to the muster station without assistance, should they be allowed to cruise?

Good subject for debate?

pamda -- CM First-Time Cruisers Editor
Reply With Quote
  #11 (permalink)  
Old December 16th, 2001, 02:55 PM
Kuki's Avatar
Moderator
Admiral
 
Join Date: Aug 2000
Location: Right here :)
Posts: 22,384
Send a message via AIM to Kuki
Default Re: Too many old people

Think this thread needs a reminder... this forum is to share opinions. Everyone is certainly welcome to voice their differences of opinion.
It's appropriate to discuss the opinions. It's inappropriate to make personal attacks.

Regards,
Kuki
Reply With Quote
  #12 (permalink)  
Old December 16th, 2001, 03:55 PM
hdawson
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default Re: Too many old people

Audrey. Curious as to how many Carnival Cruises you've been on. If none, as your post suggests, you're terribly misinformed.
Reply With Quote
  #13 (permalink)  
Old December 16th, 2001, 07:01 PM
Robocop
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default Re: Too many old people

Also to add to what Kuki said, it is not proper to slam another cruiseline with remarks that are exaggerated and untrue which is why I deleted a post in this thread already.
People, I really hate to delete any posts as everyone should be and is entitled to thier opinions and we can use all the info we can give each other, but what kui just said is true, personal attacks are NOT proper and will not be allowed, nor are unfounded statements and unjustified slams against ships, cruiselines, etc. You are most welcome to state that you dislike something because of something you saw but making wild untrue, and intentionally misleading statements just cannot be allowed.
Jim
Reply With Quote
  #14 (permalink)  
Old December 16th, 2001, 07:02 PM
Robocop
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default Re: Too many old people

That post has been removed for the reasons I stated.
Jim
Reply With Quote
  #15 (permalink)  
Old December 17th, 2001, 03:33 PM
jp garnier
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default Re: Too many old people

Hope you make it to enjoy a cruise at 65 without too many resenting your boorishness between now and then. JP
Reply With Quote
  #16 (permalink)  
Old December 17th, 2001, 09:16 PM
chellie
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default Re: Too many old people

Joe,

I hope that no one has that horrible attitude toward your parents or grandparents, or anyone you care about when they get ready to go somewhere. Where is your home training? Were you not taught to have respect for your elders?

Late 40's and loving it.
Reply With Quote
  #17 (permalink)  
Old December 17th, 2001, 09:17 PM
chellie
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default Re: Too many old people

Joe,

I hope that no one has that horrible attitude toward your parents or grandparents, or anyone you care about when they get ready to go somewhere. Where is your home training? Were you not taught to have respect for your elders?

Late 40's and loving it.
Reply With Quote
  #18 (permalink)  
Old December 18th, 2001, 06:04 AM
Joe Joe is offline
Senior Member
Cruise Maniac
 
Join Date: Aug 2000
Posts: 224
Default I think you all have mis-understood me and my poin

So when you all go on a cruise you like to go mostly with people that you have nothing in common with. I love to spend time with all types and view points, including my own!
I think you all have mis-understood me and my point.
J.
Reply With Quote
  #19 (permalink)  
Old December 18th, 2001, 06:32 AM
amy amy is offline
Senior Member
Cruise Maniac
 
Join Date: Oct 2000
Posts: 107
Default Re: I think you all have mis-understood me and my

I would also like to express something about our difference of opinion. Old people are beautiful. They are in the last stages of the human life cycle, and that's my point: they're human! They're frail, and need taking care of, and are special because they've lived so long. And, there are laws against discriminating against them. If they need special help on cruises, then we need to find a way to give it to them. Finally, as you said, meeting people with differences can be illuminating if only as a journey into one's self.
Reply With Quote
  #20 (permalink)  
Old December 18th, 2001, 10:43 AM
AR
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default Re: I think you all have mis-understood me and my

I think we understood you very well.
Reply With Quote
  #21 (permalink)  
Old December 18th, 2001, 12:21 PM
dgm
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default Re: Too many old people

What a controversy! I understand what you mean but perhaps you just phrased it a little bluntly. I think variety in cruise passengers makes the cruise more enjoyable - having a mixture of both younger & older crowds leads to more variety and more enjoyment. It should be noted though that although your view was a bit blunt/insensitive - I am sure that had the shoe been reversed that the result would be the same - if you were of an older age group or a senior and found yourself on a ship with the majority of people being in their 20's and the cruise itself was both rather loud & boisterous - perhaps you would have felt uncomfortable as well - perhaps even leaving a message on the chatboard about the "younger crowds with their kids in tow and noisy screaming kids and parties" - which I have seen on this board before. As has been noted on previous responses - the longer the cruise - the higher the average age group tends to be - perhaps sticking to a 7 day cruise will see more passengers in your age category. Regardless of age group - a cruise is what u make out of it - and if u feel you ended up with lemons then make lemonade! Variety is what makes life interesting - best of luck on your next cruise.
Reply With Quote
  #22 (permalink)  
Old December 18th, 2001, 07:15 PM
Joe Joe is offline
Senior Member
Cruise Maniac
 
Join Date: Aug 2000
Posts: 224
Default Thank you

Thank you

and we did have a great time!!!!!!!!!!
Reply With Quote
  #23 (permalink)  
Old December 19th, 2001, 11:59 PM
Senior Member
First Mate
 
Join Date: Aug 2000
Posts: 417
Default Re: Thank you

Poor Joe.

I don't think you meant any harm with your original comment- just expressing your feelings. It is uncomfortable at times when you are out of the loop in the age range for any occasion.

About fifteen years ago, my husband and I were given a cruise by an elderly relative on the old Royal Cruise Lines- really a magnificent line very elegant, but definitely catering to seniors. At 30 years old, we felt a bit out of place. We knew we would be the youngest couple on board- and we were by far. We were baffled tho, by continual compliments and pats on the back for our singing and dancing skills by our fellow passengers- could NOT figure this out. Until it finally dawned on us...they thought WE were the entertainers! We then graciously accepted their bravos for the remainder of the cruise. Damn we really put on a great show!!! hee-hee.

nancy
Reply With Quote
  #24 (permalink)  
Old December 20th, 2001, 06:41 AM
Joe Joe is offline
Senior Member
Cruise Maniac
 
Join Date: Aug 2000
Posts: 224
Default Re: Thank you

Cute story.

I used to work for a hearing aid mfg. co. and they would have a once a year cruise as an incentive for their dealers. They would take about 90% of the ship on RCCL .

That would really stink if you ended up booked on that. You would really feel like an outsider.

The cruise lines should tell people this when booking. Maybe they do?

J.
Reply With Quote
  #25 (permalink)  
Old December 21st, 2001, 02:36 AM
Senior Member
First Mate
 
Join Date: Aug 2000
Posts: 417
Default Re: Thank you

I HEAR you!

But I know that the cruise lines don't relate info like that- as in there will be hundreds of semi-deaf folks on board. We are supposed to be tolerant and openminded and accepting of all differences onboard a cruise ship. It's just part of cruising- taking your chances on who is going to share your onboard space. There's enough "profiling" going on now- wouldn't want it on a cruise ship. The differences between people on board makes for good people watching and conversation in my mind. Actually we were on a Windstar cruise once with a huge gathering of nudists- my husband would have been devastated if we knew beforehand. Lots of sweet young things for him to ogle- if I'd known beforehand would have said hell NO- we won't go!

Take care Joe!
Reply With Quote
  #26 (permalink)  
Old December 23rd, 2001, 10:22 PM
Babette
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default Re: Thank you

I think I can relate to Joe's comment having just returned from the Century's 12/15 sailing. Keep in mind that I am a wholesale tour operator catering to the senior market so I work with seniors all the time.
But I can honestly say, I was embarassed by the rude behavior from these seniors; Not only towards younger pax (myself included) but towards the crew and staff and EACH OTHER.

Many of these senior pax had booked as groups through their FL condo associations et al. There was a smattering of the usual 30-60 year old set
as one typically sees on Celebrity, but even my 14 day Celebrity cruises never had such an elderly crowd. Many of the pax were, indeed, extremely frail, had trouble walking even when the ship was docked.... let alone walking while the seas were acting up. There were many falls and spills onboard. As one who has led seniors on tours throughout the world, my greatest fear has always been whether or not I would be able to remove my pax from danger in the event of an emergency. Luckily in 13 years on the road, I've never had to evacuate any of my pax.... but seeing so many elderly and frail onboard makes you think. What if???????Scares the devil out of me.

One "recycled teenager" had the audacity to poke me in the back with her cane as she thought I'd been at a particular slot machine too long... and she was getting tired of waiting to play. You KNOW what I wanted to say.. but I calmly told her that one does NOT poke another player with a cane and that if she continued I would call the casino manager over to escort her out of the casino. That's just one example. The entire cruise was like this.

Funny, I had just sailed Century 5 weeks prior.... totally different pax profile. You just never know!!
Reply With Quote
  #27 (permalink)  
Old December 27th, 2001, 04:11 PM
LLS
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default Re: Too many old people

I too was on the summit Dec 3rd. While there were many older travelers, we found a few younger and some our age (mid 40's). Many of the crewmembers and ESPECIALLY the waiters, matre D's commented the age of this particular group was older than normal. What Joe failed to mention and believe me - we work intensly with the older generation daily and love every minute of it, the older folks seemed to be VERY fussy, VERY demanding and some even downright rude. Thursday morning when the ship did the 90 degree turn because of steering problems we found ourselves helping many of the older travelers - get back in their chairs, and back on their feet -
I heard that after the Sept 11th many rooms were canceled and retirement communities bought large portions of rooms at a discount. We were also warned (after the fact) that many 11-14 day cruises carry an older crowd because they are retired. We have been on cruise ships the past 5 years in a row in December - traveled on many different lines - Summit is a beautiful ship, but did find it seemed to cater to an older generation.

The crew members seemed tired, many talked of going home - Maybe the 11th did bring "family needs" back to everyone and we needed to embrace the crew members as family members NOT as waiters and servants!!

By the way is there a way to send a Thank you note to our head waiter? ( He did receive a generous tip, but have some nice photos of him and would like to say Hi!) He really MADE our trip a success, beside the table of newlyweds we were lucky enough to be seated with.

We will try celebrity again - it truly is a beautiful ship - probably will go back to 7-9 day cruises though!

"Absolutely NOT complaining"
Reply With Quote
  #28 (permalink)  
Old December 27th, 2001, 04:20 PM
LLS
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default You couldn't have said it better

Babette - you are exactly right - I read your message after I added mine, but this was truly the experience we felt on the summit. In fact we were cursed in the casino and told by an elderly RUDE woman that she had cursed our money and we would loose it all that night - actually when she was out of sight we won $3,000 on a slot machine. The older generation seemed well to do and expeced an awful lot out of the crew members, staff and other travelers!
Reply With Quote
  #29 (permalink)  
Old December 28th, 2001, 04:34 PM
Bob Bob is offline
Senior Member
Cruise Maniac
 
Join Date: Sep 2000
Posts: 230
Send a message via MSN to Bob
Default Re: Too many old people

Shame on you Joe! You too will be "old" some day. I really get upset
when I hear people in their thirties, like Tammy, who is going on the
Zenith for New Years, and you complain about older people. And there
was no need to mention "shuffling" Maybe you need to relax a little,
and do some shuffling yourself instead of charging around and startling
the older crowd. As I have said before, I am 45 and frequently travel
with friends between my age and up to 70's. The older of the group
are often the most fun! People who go on cruises with preconcieved
ideas about the perfect cruisemates, are often disappointed. Maybe
you should do some homework before you cruise, and choose
another "younger" crowd! Good Luck!
Reply With Quote
  #30 (permalink)  
Old December 29th, 2001, 09:18 PM
Joe Joe is offline
Senior Member
Cruise Maniac
 
Join Date: Aug 2000
Posts: 224
Default Re: Too many old people

I love it, you all have taken this so personel. Lets talk the next time rude, complaining and inconsiderate people are everywhere.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Tags
30, carnival, celebrity, cruise, cruises, ft, lauderdale, passengers, people, perfect, reviews, rude, ship, too, travelers, year

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Who are these people? DavidBgood Travel Gripes! 20 May 11th, 2007 04:38 PM
People hushing people during announcements! momx4 Travel Gripes! 23 July 13th, 2005 03:40 AM
We all know at least one of these people!! Cruznut2 Chit - Chat for Cruisers 11 June 2nd, 2005 11:41 AM
People Who Are Always Right Paul B Travel Gripes! 35 February 6th, 2004 02:34 PM
Why do people who hate people cruise? Mikey Travel Gripes! 9 May 6th, 2002 07:00 AM


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


 

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 12:48 AM.
design by: Themes by Design

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.6.1