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Old February 2nd, 2006, 01:27 PM
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slotaddict,

Why is it that you feel that you have to explain things, you are patronizing me and others.

Having never spent enough time in Las Vegas to say so (I actually did stop for lunch while driving I-15 from Idaho Falls to San Diego back in 1980), I found Dave's backgrounder to be very helpful and informative. Without it, I would not have understood his point.

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Old February 2nd, 2006, 01:36 PM
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Thats the purpose of this board.

To ACCURATELY give people the correct information so they can make the correct choices. NOT to encourage bad behavior, which IS what you are doing.

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As someone who has been on many cruises, but has yet to take my first Celebrity cruise, I appreciate reading ALL points of view on this issue. Often what is printed in the policies are different from what is adhered to aboard ship. I would think that no matter which side of this issue you are on, you would want to know those differences so that you can make an informed decision.
Agreed, however, since I said that I do adhere to the "suggested" dress code, I do not see the need to be lectured on the behavior of others. And as you said ultimately "you" are the one who makes your own decision as to how to adhere to the dress code or not. As I orginally stated I just returned from the Zenith, I observed at least 98% adherence to the dress code, and yet somehow because the 2% who did not adhere did not bother me, nor were they banned from any activities. My fellow cruisemates feel the need to lecture me.
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In the Millennium last August nobody enforced the dress code.
Normandie,
Now there is a name that reminds one of and excellent restaurant.
Quiz: Which ship.
Dress Code: Mostly these are recommendations so people that like to dress up know that this is the night to do it. Everyone is on vacation so it would be difficult to turn anyone away from dining because of dress. It is just that I don't think the ships crew would want you to be embarrassed that you were the only one in the dining room not dressed up. If it doesn't bother you no problem. I do think it is a courtesy to your fellow passengers to try and look your best. (I went 8 days without luggage and always went to dinner).
On a South American cruise we were in a forward lounge and a man walks in and up to the bar with nothing but a "J" strap on. He was helped back to his room. We couldn't decide to laugh, giggle or choke.
Now that is a dress code that should be enforced.
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I don't mind dressing up for dinner but prefer to wear casual clothes for the rest of the evening. Is it okay to attend the shows on Celebrity after dinner in casual attire?
Ditto to Big Apple and Normandie.
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Dress Code: Mostly these are recommendations so people that like to dress up know that this is the night to do it.

Rather, it is the right of the host (ship) to prescribe the proper dress for an event (dinner, show, etc.) and the social obligation of all who attend to conform.

Everyone is on vacation so it would be difficult to turn anyone away from dining because of dress.

Actually, it's quite easy. "I'm sorry, [sir | ma'am], but this evening is formal so you'll have to change into the prsecribed attire to come into the [dining room | show room | casino | lounge]." usually works. If not, the member of the ship's staff who delivers those words in firm tone can call security to back them up.

(I went 8 days without luggage and always went to dinner).

Most major cruise lines now provide complementary use of their rental formalwear for passengers who are caught in that bind.

On a South American cruise we were in a forward lounge and a man walks in and up to the bar with nothing but a "J" strap on. He was helped back to his room. We couldn't decide to laugh, giggle or choke.
Now that is a dress code that should be enforced.


I agree completely!

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On the last cruise, i saw no one turned away from the dining room or the show because of their attire.
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Does that make it right?Again this will not happen on the longer cruises.
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I only take cruises of 10 days or longer and I have never seen anyone turned away either.
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luv2cruise99,

I only take cruises of 10 days or longer and I have never seen anyone turned away either.

There tends to be less of a problem with non-compliance with prescribed standards of dress on longer cruises because longer cruises tend to draw passengers who have taken enough cruises to know what's expected of them.

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There tends to be less of a problem with non-compliance with prescribed standards of dress on longer cruises because longer cruises tend to draw passengers who have taken enough cruises to know what's expected of them.
There's more and more problems with people following the suggested dress codes because the cruise line takes no initiative to enforce their own rules of behavior.

I think it's also likely the case that they don't because they see the movement of passenger requests is toward more relaxed dress structure.

Frankly I think anyone who believes Celebrity passengers follow the suggested dress codes more than any other cruise lines is kidding themselves.

I personally like a couple of formal nights to change the ambience of the evening... but the majority of paying passengers of late seem to disagree.
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Since it has been many years since I have taken a cruise of less than 10 days, I can't personally speak as to the level of compliance on a 10 day (or longer) cruise versus a shorter cruise. I can say that I have seen plenty of people (including myself) entering the dining room and showroom in dressy casualwear on formal nights and I have yet to see anyone turned away.

A previous poster posted that you won't see casualwear being admitted on 10-day and longer cruises. I can personally attest to the fact that you will. In fact, I can say that I have noticed more non-compliance with the dress code on my most recent 10-day cruises than I did on my 7-day cruises of just 5 years ago. I'm sure that has more to do with the passage of time than the length of the cruise. Society is becoming more casual and I doubt that is going to change anytime soon.
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my point is that the cruise line needs to enforce their written code and as I have said before they do not want any confrontation with the passenger and also are afraid of the rating on the cruise comment card at the end of the cruise and more so on Carnival.If the cruiser wants a more casual cruise they should so indicate to the cruise line otherwise we should make an effort to dress up on those nites of formal wear.
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Society is becoming more casual and I doubt that is going to change anytime soon.[/quote]

luv2cruise99: Couldn't agree with the above statement more!

I personally like dressy casual. I think it fits most people's life style...Formal is nice but can be a little stiff for our taste. This does not mean that we do not dress for our cruise formal nights...we do.

I bring two formal dresses. One dress is always basic black...a change of jewelry, several light scarves, a fancy beaded jacket and we're set. My husband is less picky ...he brings a black suit, a pair of informal dressy pants, and one sports jacket to mix and match with the pants, a couple ties and white shirts. The final count of what we bring depends on the lenght of the cruise of course.

We try to buy clothes that are wrinkle proof or wrinkle resistant and packable. We've never taken more than one suitcase each, and it all fits fine. If anything is wrinkled...again, its no big deal...we just have it pressed.

My husband wears jeans and boots to work everyday... I have to admit, it is nice to see him really dressed up fine!!!
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We are just back from a 14 day cruise to Hawaii on Summit and the daily newspaper printed the "required" dress of the day. Now I didn't see anyone in the dining room or theater dressed casually on formal nights but I did see people in shorts & jeans in the casino. But by 11:00 PM, who cares? I have to admit that I did see a greater proportion of men in tuxes (including our own group) than I would see on a 7 night cruise. Maybe because there were 3 formal nights and they felt they could get a little more wear out of the tux.
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I actually spoke to my nephew in law that used to work for X and he said they are trying to get back to what they used to be, but it had to be implemented slowly so people could adjust accordingly. After reading your post I went threw some of my old dailys, and in fact On the 3 DAY PNW cruise last September they did state "REQUIRED" in the code...twice. I would have to say about 99% complied or dined elseware.And I have to add walking through the casual dining in the buffet area was just as elegant as the restaurant. The only difference, no dress clothing on the pax.

Unfortunately our tables TA told them NOT to worry about it. They however went shopping in port and looked stunning. I cant blame them if they didn't have the correct attire, they inquired and the IDIOT TA gave them the WRONG answer. I have heard this from a number of people. The TA's have this secret agenda to mis inform people...I think it started when they lost their commissions.

I'm about to leave on my 10 day mexican riviera and have my tux, dinner jacket, navy blazer and speedo ready to go. I never find it a problem to pack nor to carry my ONE suitcase and ONE carry on...coming from Chicago it either three hours this way or that...luggage has never been a problem.

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I have to admit that I did see a greater proportion of men in tuxes (including our own group) than I would see on a 7 night cruise. Maybe because there were 3 formal nights and they felt they could get a little more wear out of the tux.

The primary factor here seems to be that most beginning cruisers tend to take cruises of seven nights or less. By the time that most folks graduate to cruises of ten nights or more, they have learned the standards of dress that prevail on their preferred cruise line and they have decided that they will take enough cruises to justify the investment in appropriate attire for formal evenings.

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Unfortunately our tables TA told them NOT to worry about it. They however went shopping in port and looked stunning. I cant blame them if they didn't have the correct attire, they inquired and the IDIOT TA gave them the WRONG answer. I have heard this from a number of people. The TA's have this secret agenda to mis inform people...I think it started when they lost their commissions.

I'll agree that the travel agent may well have been totally at fault here, and there are two possible causes. The first is that the travel agent is relatively new to the business, has taken only one or two cruses on lines other than Celebrity, and consequently has not learned that all cruise lines are not the same. The second is that the travel agent was so eager to sell this particular cruise to people who did not seem thrilled with having to dress up for dinner, and thus told the people not to worry about it as part of an effort to close the sale. In any case, the people should have read the pre-cruise information and should have questioned the travel agent again about the disparity between the information that the agent had provided and the information in the pre-cruise package.

There is, however, one other possibility. This could reflect communication problems at Celebrity Cruises. If indeed Celebrity is working to restore the product to what it was, as your nephew in law indicated, Celebrity needs to communicate changes in policy -- such as enforcement of dress codes -- to travel agents so that travel agents know and can advise their customers directly.

That said, I doubt that travel agents are trying to sabotage cruise lines for cutting commissions. In fact, the commissions from cruise lines are among the most generous in the industry. The only change in commissions paid by cruise lines in the last several years was the elimination of hte commission on air fares booked through the cruise line. Many travel agents more than offset this by eliminating the complementary bottles of wine, photo albums, or other equivalent gifts that they previously had sent to their customers' cabins.

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