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Celebrity has raised their drinking age to 21 with the exception of some European, S. America and Australian cruises.


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Good afternoon,

Great move....Hope everybody else follows suit.
Kudos to Celebrity. I suspect RCI is also doing the same thing simultaneously.

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Apparently RCI did it a couple of months ago.

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WHy good for them... because of the stupidity of a few the responsible 18-20 year old set has to be punished... it's COMPLETELY bogus... well not completely.. but if you think about it... there are way more over 21 drunks on cruise ships than there are 18-20... I think if i want to be able to purchase a glass of wine i should be able to... :growls:... Yes i know im not going to get my way... but i think it is very narrow minded for people to just assume that because someone is under 21 they are too irresponsible to be able to have just one drink... personally... if they want to go really overboard with this... why don't they just limit the alcohal purchasing to 1 drink per hour per card... now wouldn't that solve the problem?!?!?! Just a thought... they have the computer system in place to do it...
But that wouldn't do would it... because the older 21 set wants their right to become drunks... hmmm.... i see a little hypocracy in that...


YOU HAVE NO IDEA how DEMEANING that blue card is... I feel like a 5 year old carting that thing around... and then RCCL with their happy hole punching fingers... just because im 3 years under the limit does not mean i am not as mature if not maturer than the college crazys buying their liquer... :evil:

and after i said all that... some one will say that i am whining... so i will conceed to say yes... i was...
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WHy good for them... because of the stupidity of a few the responsible 18-20 year old set has to be punished... it's COMPLETELY bogus... well not completely.. but if you think about it... there are way more over 21 drunks on cruise ships than there are 18-20... I think if i want to be able to purchase a glass of wine i should be able to... :growls:... Yes i know im not going to get my way... but i think it is very narrow minded for people to just assume that because someone is under 21 they are too irresponsible to be able to have just one drink... personally... if they want to go really overboard with this... why don't they just limit the alcohal purchasing to 1 drink per hour per card... now wouldn't that solve the problem?!?!?! Just a thought... they have the computer system in place to do it...
But that wouldn't do would it... because the older 21 set wants their right to become drunks... hmmm.... i see a little hypocracy in that...


YOU HAVE NO IDEA how DEMEANING that blue card is... I feel like a 5 year old carting that thing around... and then RCCL with their happy hole punching fingers... just because im 3 years under the limit does not mean i am not as mature if not maturer than the college crazys buying their liquer...


Of course, there is a history to this and it goes back to the late 1960's, when the "age of majority" throughout the United States was twenty-one for everything, as it had been for many, many years if not from our nation's founding. That's right -- anybody under twenty-one could not drink, but also could not vote in electons, could not enter into any binding contract or marry without written consent of a parent or legal guardian. In those days, colleges acted in loco parentis for undergraduate students and enforced strict curfews, etc., for students who lived in their dormitories. Alas, two dynamics entered the political landscape.

>> 1. The party that controlled both houses of the Congress and most of the state legislatures sensed that a majority of young people leaned toward its candidates and policies, and thus saw an opportunity to increase its support among the voters by lowering the voting age.

>> 2. Colleges sought to be free from the responsibility of supervising the majority of undergraduates, many of whom were getting arrested, etc., in protesta against the Vietnam War.

The political pressure to lower the "age of majority" to eighteen led to passage of the ratification of the twenty-sixth article of amendment to our federal constitution with unprecedented speed (proposed by Congress on 23 March 1971 and ratified on 30 June 1971) and a succession of changes to federal and state laws usinversally lowering the "age of majority" for everything by the time I entered college in 1975. Unfortunately, the change in the drinking age proved to be a disaster because many eighteen year olds, who were still in high school, were quite happy to buy booze for parties of high school students. The problem grew so acute so quickly that the most states separated the "drinking age" from the "age of majority" and raised the "drinking age" back to twenty-one by the time of my college graduation in 1979. Over twenty-five years later, a "drinking age" of twenty-one is now well entrenched and still gaining stricter enforcement in American culture -- which is the predominant culture on most cruise ships. When serving people under eighteen is a potential "black eye" in your largest market, you don't do it.

So the bottom line is that passengers between eighteen and twenty-one now have to settle for drinking "on the beach" (where it's permitted) while the ship is in port. You'll have to do your homework and choose your itineraries carefully if you want to drink.

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... These ships aren't registered in the United States.... I see no reason why they should have to follow U.S. Laws... I know that 2-3 years ago it depended on what port they came out of... leaving from Fort. Lauderdale.. U.S. Drinking age... leaving from Puerto Rico for some odd reason 18... and then last year... we left from Miami and their drinking age for Beer and Wine was 18 and the "hard" stuff was 21... but i find it bloody hillarious my father can sit there and buy me whatever i want... but if i stick my card out there with him sitting beside me... NO NO NO...

The point is... Not every 18-20 year old is going on a cruise ship to get toasted or narked... most of the Canadian provinces minus BC and one otherone i can't remember the drinking age is 18... (bc is 19)....

Besides that.... im not going to sit at a beach bar in mexico and order a glass of white zinfandel... they'd laugh their behinds off at me...

I think it's sad that I can't order a glass of white zinfandel in a lounge and then go cuddle up on the deck with a good Chuck Palahniuk book...

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And if we REALLY want to get into politics... take a look around at your over 21 yr. old Congress and think about them... they're SOOOOO :insert random profanity here: corrupt that it would take the current pope, the late John Paul II, Mother Teresa's holy spirit, the real holy spirit, God, Jesus and All of Jesus' disciples, the Holy Mother, Joseph, and ZEUS to even begin to curb their ways of thinking... the congress is designed to keep the (no offense) Old Fogeys in power... Our country if you haven't noticed is going to the dogs, we have more Crime in the US than any other country in the world... and they do nothing but symbolic gestures to try to cure it.... (looks back at original post... I can see that if i continue to go... that I will be typing for the next 5 hours and I don't particularly want to put my entire political belief system out there in the open quite yet...) I digress...
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Celebrity and Royal Caribbean have had the 18 year old age limit for years. There is no law forbidding them from keeping it at 18, they simply choose to make it 21 now. I would suspect with the people getting drunk and falling off the ships this may be only one of many measures taken to try and get a little more control over drunks on cruise ships. I don't know what all the venom is about towards Congress and others because they have absolutely nothing to do with this change.

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my venom is towards congress in general... i have nothing against congress c/o cruise lines...

I just frown at the 21 drinking age...
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If you think our countries political institution and congress is so corrupt-------------------why don't you go to another country thats better?
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If you think our countries political institution and congress is so corrupt-------------------why don't you go to another country thats better?
OOOOH you're one of those...

Because haha... A... parents are paying for my college here... in america... and B. i plan to eventually run for an elected position in the government to perhaps help instigate some change... and C... if i don't get elected i will push for campaign reform and congressional reform as a radical group leader that will lead marches on the capitol demanding change and having petitions signed and just being extremely disliked by the ultra conservative...D... if that doesnt work and the country still continues in it's evil ways... i will move... i will move quite far away... im leaning towards Turkey... because i don't understand their form of government... so i will have nothing to complain about... and because i can speak the language (that's what years of turkish waiters on cruises will get you)
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my venom is towards congress in general... i have nothing against congress c/o cruise lines...

I just frown at the 21 drinking age...
Fair enough, but in this case they have nothing to do with it.

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You're right. Life just isn't fair! Many years ago, as a young U.S.Marine, I fought in Vietnam, only to return to the U.S., and reinlist in the Corps. After being sworn in for the second time, the reinlistment officer said, "I guess you'll go over to the club and have a few drinks tonight to celebrate won't you?". I replied, "No sir, I'm only 20 years old, not old enough to drink yet sir".
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gambitscuba,

... These ships aren't registered in the United States.... I see no reason why they should have to follow U.S. Laws...

The issue is NOT one of following U. S. laws, which are not relevant when the ships are at sea..

What IS relevant is the recent adverse publicity that several cruise lines have received for serving alcohol to passengers who were under the age of twenty-one, and in some cases under the age of eighteen. Although the adverse publicity was not targeted at Celebrity Cruises, the company's executives have made a business decision to change the company's policy to prevent similar adverse publicity directed at the company.

JTOL, there's also a very real possibility that the company has seen an increase in incidents of drunken "spring breakers" because other lines, including Carnival, have raised their drinking age or even instituted policies whereby passengers under twenty-one cannot cruise without a parent or guardian on the same sailing. Carnival's attempt to ban "spring breakers" may have driven them to other lines hat had not had problems with drunk "spring breakers" getting and out of control. The new policy is about the only possible corporate response to reign in such a situation. The exclusion of cruises to Europe and other more distant destinations from the new policy would make sense in such context because "spring breakers" generally do not go on those itineraries.

In any case, perhaps it's time for you and some of your classmates to get down on your peers who are causing the problem by drinking exessively and otherwise acting irresponsibly. If a problem did not exist, the company would not need to institute policies that affect you in order to preempt it.

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Just an FYI, at this point there is apparently not a change in the casino age. Still 18....

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The casino on the Infinity was 21 and over...
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The casino in Alaska depending on the ports can be 21 however the gambling age on Celebrity has been 18 for years. Here's a quote from their website:

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Everyone 18 years and older is welcome to play, some Alaskan ports require a minimum age of 21.

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All i know is If i had been discovered in the casino sitting my rear down at a table to play on the Infinity July 9-16th I would have been booted from the casino... <under 21>
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Your correct, in Alaska it is 21 however in the Caribbean it is 18, I know that for a fact as both my kids were under 21 and over 18 at the time. I was agreeing with your comments.

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